Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Now they say here that John McCain was actually born at 11 AM according to his mother: " McCain's birth time was embedded like a gold nugget in a Mother's Day campaign ad. His mother, Roberta, mentioned that her son was born Aug. 29, 1936, at 11 a.m. " http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6600ap_wst_astrologers_candidates.html This time puts Mars right on the MC! No wonder we have wondering the crucial role of his Mars in transits and progressions... Best, Sari - " Therese Hamilton " <eastwest Friday, May 16, 2008 9:12 AM Obama Birth Time > Hi everyone, > > From UAC from someone who apparently was able to obtain Obama's birth > certificate as posted on the Judy Johns Political Astrology forum. Aug 4, > 1961 7:11 p.m. Honolulu, AHST. > > I'll pass on the story after it's posted on the Political Astro forum. > > Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 At 11:14 AM 5/18/08 +0300, Sari wrote: >Now they say here that John McCain was actually born at 11 AM according to >his mother: > > " McCain's birth time was embedded like a gold nugget in a Mother's Day >campaign ad. His mother, Roberta, mentioned that her son was born Aug. 29, >1936, at 11 a.m. " ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Sari, Yes, this has been on the internet. But the 9:00 a.m. time supposedly also came from him mother. She's 95 years old now. So I'm not jumping on this new time, and haven't had time to check it yet. The older time works very well for past solar returns. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 At 08:19 AM 5/18/08 -0700, Bettina wrote: >Also, [McCain] seems to have a very Martian persona and has led a Mars-like life >(military career). Mars in his " old " chart didn't seem to explain that. Hi Bettina, Actually McCain was a Navy pilot, which might come under Mercury. He wasn't doing ground combat. His father was also in the Navy, so there should be water in there somewhere. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 I've read that flying, piloting airplanes, etc. comes under Rahu. Why that would be I don't know. My husband used to be a private pilot and has had a life-long fascination with flying. He has Rahu close to the asc. JFK Jr. was also a private pilot (unfortunately) and had Rahu cnj asc as well. I'm sure not every pilot has Rahu strong, but there is some connection. ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Therese Hamilton Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:24 PM RE: McCains' Birth Time At 08:19 AM 5/18/08 -0700, Bettina wrote: >Also, [McCain] seems to have a very Martian persona and has led a Mars-like life >(military career). Mars in his " old " chart didn't seem to explain that. Hi Bettina, Actually McCain was a Navy pilot, which might come under Mercury. He wasn't doing ground combat. His father was also in the Navy, so there should be water in there somewhere. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 At 08:04 PM 5/18/08 -0700, Bettina wrote: >I've read that flying, piloting airplanes, etc. comes under Rahu. Why that >would be I don't know. My husband used to be a private pilot and has had a >life-long fascination with flying. He has Rahu close to the asc. JFK Jr. >was also a private pilot (unfortunately) and had Rahu cnj asc as well. I'm >sure not every pilot has Rahu strong, but there is some connection. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bettina, That would support the 9:00 birth time because the nodes are closely square Mercury which would rule the 1st and 10th. The nodes can also explain much about McCain's personality. He was something of a rabble rouser and rebel when in school, and courted danger as a navy pilot. The nodes never quite fit into polite society. When I computed past solar returns that natal configuration was very often angular for important years in McCain's life. I don't believe the 11th is a politician's house. From some research I've done it's the house of writers, artists, astrologers, entrepreneurs. It's too independent a house for the conformity required by the navy or a political party. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Bettina wrote: > The thing that makes me question it, though,is that Saturn is in 5th and > doesn't McC have quite a few children? Sari: There's many people with Saturn in the 5th with many children. Astrologer Steven Birchfield has both Saturn and Ketu in the 5th house (whole signs, Sripati, Placidus, Vehlow, equal houses... you name it) and he has twelve children. Winston Churchill had Saturn in the 5th and he had five children. So it's not impossible. Therese wrote: I don't believe the 11th is a politician's house. From some research I've done it's the house of writers, artists, astrologers, entrepreneurs. It's too independent a house for the conformity required by the navy or a political party. Sari: I've done a lot of these statistical studies lately and I've for example used 20 different sample groups sized from 66 to 1582 to study one single techinque to see which groups have emphasis and where. I studied the seven traditional planets in Sripati houses (which group has most planets in any house) and the groups with biggest emphasis in the 11th house were - 150 adventurers/explorers, - 460 criminal perpetrators and - 85 rapists. The groups with least planets in the 11th house were - 72 people with unusual diet (mostly vegetarians), - 81 spiritual leaders (containing Eastern eccleastics, cult leaders and spiritual leaders) and - 97 people in sex business (prostitutes, pimps, porn actors and models). 1036 politicians gave a very average result, not more, not less planets in the 11th than the control group. But artists do have an emphasis in the 11th house along with the 3rd. So it seems that the 11th house is quite a 'mundane' or 'anti-spiritual' house, aimed mostly at gaining or securing your own profits. If you wonder what those prostitutes etc. do with spiritual leaders, they have surpirsingly often paired either with them or with mystical people (personality: mystical) in my studies. Sex worker's charts have a lot in common with spirituality or mysticism. I've wondered how that can be - my best explanation is that maybe both groups have some kind of fatalism or passive, going-with-the-flow attitude with them; also both groups have maybe more than average diffuse personal boundaries. You let things come through. I might be something that modern Western astrologers call " Neptune " . So, these 'neptunian' people with diffuse boundaries don't have a lot of their planets in the 11th house. In general I've found in my studies that the Indian concept of good and bad houses works quite well, and it tells more about spirituality than about material success. The 1st, 10th, 5th and 9th houses are fortunate because they produce spiritual attitude and interest. The 10th house is especially interesting in this sense because even more than your material profession, it would seem to be connected with your goals and aims in the spiritual/soul sense - with your life task. That may or may not be connected with your profession. Best, Sari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Of course one has to take the whole chart into consideration, but I've observed that when people have the Sun in the 11th they're fortunate as far as doors opening for them or being taken care of through other peoples' efforts. So, maybe the key there is that their fate is secure and they don't have to work real hard to survive, therefor they're freed up to do creative things or just what appeals to them rather than slog along doing drudgery-like tasks or have to concentrate on being super ambitious. That would explain why some would express themselves through the arts, writing, etc. ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Sari M Monday, May 19, 2008 4:38 AM Re: McCains' Birth Time Bettina wrote: > The thing that makes me question it, though,is that Saturn is in 5th and > doesn't McC have quite a few children? Sari: There's many people with Saturn in the 5th with many children. Astrologer Steven Birchfield has both Saturn and Ketu in the 5th house (whole signs, Sripati, Placidus, Vehlow, equal houses... you name it) and he has twelve children. Winston Churchill had Saturn in the 5th and he had five children. So it's not impossible. Therese wrote: I don't believe the 11th is a politician's house. From some research I've done it's the house of writers, artists, astrologers, entrepreneurs. It's too independent a house for the conformity required by the navy or a political party. Sari: I've done a lot of these statistical studies lately and I've for example used 20 different sample groups sized from 66 to 1582 to study one single techinque to see which groups have emphasis and where. I studied the seven traditional planets in Sripati houses (which group has most planets in any house) and the groups with biggest emphasis in the 11th house were - 150 adventurers/explorers, - 460 criminal perpetrators and - 85 rapists. The groups with least planets in the 11th house were - 72 people with unusual diet (mostly vegetarians), - 81 spiritual leaders (containing Eastern eccleastics, cult leaders and spiritual leaders) and - 97 people in sex business (prostitutes, pimps, porn actors and models). 1036 politicians gave a very average result, not more, not less planets in the 11th than the control group. But artists do have an emphasis in the 11th house along with the 3rd. So it seems that the 11th house is quite a 'mundane' or 'anti-spiritual' house, aimed mostly at gaining or securing your own profits. If you wonder what those prostitutes etc. do with spiritual leaders, they have surpirsingly often paired either with them or with mystical people (personality: mystical) in my studies. Sex worker's charts have a lot in common with spirituality or mysticism. I've wondered how that can be - my best explanation is that maybe both groups have some kind of fatalism or passive, going-with-the-flow attitude with them; also both groups have maybe more than average diffuse personal boundaries. You let things come through. I might be something that modern Western astrologers call " Neptune " . So, these 'neptunian' people with diffuse boundaries don't have a lot of their planets in the 11th house. In general I've found in my studies that the Indian concept of good and bad houses works quite well, and it tells more about spirituality than about material success. The 1st, 10th, 5th and 9th houses are fortunate because they produce spiritual attitude and interest. The 10th house is especially interesting in this sense because even more than your material profession, it would seem to be connected with your goals and aims in the spiritual/soul sense - with your life task. That may or may not be connected with your profession. Best, Sari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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