Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Namah Shivaya After having made that post, came across this view: http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2007/05/11/upcoming-interview-richard-salva/ ,where in apparently Paramhamsa Yogananda stated that Lincoln reincarnated in the form of Charles Lindenburgh. If it helps find out anything about the soul's journey forward, here is the time of Lincoln's death from being shot : 7.22 am, Washington DC, April 15, 1865 Thanks Shiv sohamsa , " Shiv " <theblisswithin wrote: > > Respected Members, > I am a novice in Jyotish but thought this will be something great to > see discussed and to learn something in the process.Thanks for your > patience in reading the rudimentary, mostly uninformed analysis below. > > I am interested in finding out how strongly we can predict rebirths in > charts. I was going through the charts of two prominent politicians > and found some interesting correlations. > > Some of the assumptions that this is based on are: Ketu represents the > past tendencies, D60 represents the past life. I believe if the > accurate time of birth is not available, then it is not possible to > pin point the D60 lagna. But the planets in signs still remain the > same? AK represents the major focus of all that has been done in the > past. It represents both the benefits and the challenges that come > with having overused the negative tendencies of that planet. > > 1. The charts are that of Barack Obama, currently running for > democratic US presidential nominee and Abraham Lincoln. > > Obama's details: August 4, 1961, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA. TOB is not > accurately available. Some times have been said to be 9 am and 1 pm. I > have seen a case been made for Cap lagna making time around 5.23 pm too. > > Abe Lincoln: Feb 12, 1809, Hardin County, Kentucky, USA, time around 6 am. > > Lincoln had a very strong shadbala score of Mars followed by that of > Saturn. Barack has his AK as Mars and a very strong Cap. Lincoln's Sun > was in Aquarius while Barack's ketu is in Aquarius. > Barack is running on the platform of a unifier including that of > racial reconciliation the issue that got Lincoln killed. Also > coincidentally Obama declared his bid for presidency from the very > same place where Lincoln had declared his more than 100 years ago. > > Most of the primaries that have shaped this democratic race were held > on Tuesdays (called Super Tuesdays by the Media) which is the day > ruled by Obama's AK mars. I believe it hurts him as this represents > the 'sins' of the past coming back to affect him? Hillary Clinton (in > my humble view) has run a very negative campaign. But Obama is not > willing to fight and get dirty (for a politician and their usual > standards). That makes one wonder about the role of AK Mars. Does it > mean one has had enough of fighting in the past and is willing to move > past it? Hillary has depicted Obama as a very " non masculine' > candidate. But Obama doesn't seem to take that bait and fight in her > style. Her mars, is exalted in her D9. > > Lincoln had an exalted Jup in his D9. Obama seems to have a very > strong Jup also. His Jup is conjunct Saturn in its own sign, Cap, > which makes it neecha bhanga. His Saturn is also vargottama. > > Lincoln had Saturn in Scorpio in natal and Mars and Venus in Scorpio > in D9 while Obama's Scorpio has the highest AV score among all his houses. > > Please comment if the above similarities make a case for some chance > of a shared past or are just stretch of imagination. > > 2. Second such chart for reincarnational study is interesting also. > Pandit Shriram Sharma Acharya, founder of the All World Gayatri > Parivar (www.awgp.org) states openly in many lectures and in his > autobiography that he was formerly Ramakrishna Paramhamsa in his last > incarnation. Before that he states he was Ramdass, guru of Shivaji and > also Saint Kabir, in earlier incarnations. Thakur's chart is already > there on JHora. Acharya jis birthday is 20th Sept, 1911, Anwalkheda, > Agra, UP. Accurate time is not available. I am sure there are people > close to him that do know it though. I haven't studied the > similarities in this one so far. Although one can only wonder to what > extent the normal rules apply if someone claims to be as great at > Thakur and having come back to redeem humanity. > > Am I correct in assuming that even though the correct lagans for D9, > D60 can't be pinpointed with accuracy w/o an accurate TOB, but planets > in signs will remain the same and hence can still give useful information? > > > > Many thanks > Shiv > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Hi all, It might sound far fetched but just for the fun and the learning part of it, this might be something to play with. What are the odds that Obama and Lincoln share some common past. On the outside there are some apparent commonalities. A theme to unite people (although there is a lot to suggest this could be political, also Lincoln himself wasn't the saint that he is usually made out to be. Before he was killed he was working on something that would ensure blacks would live separately in the society and not mingle). It's somewhat coincidental that Lincoln declared his bid for presidency at the very same spot that Obama did more than 100 years later. Some of the assumptions that this is based on are: Ketu represents the past tendencies. As per recent writings on jyotish, D60 varga chart represents the past life. Also jyotishically, AK, atmakarka, the planet with the highest degrees in any sign in the chart, represents the major focus of all that has been done in the past. It represents both the benefits and the challenges that come with having overused the negative tendencies of that planet. The native has the obligation to learn the lessons of overusing that energy and atone for that. So someone with Ak Mars for example would have to learn the lessons of giving up violence. Now Barack claims to want to run a positive campaign, no smear attacks. He actually has been perceived as very non-masculine by many, even his own supporters, especially vis-à-vis Hillary who of course has an exalted Mars in her D9. Abe Lincoln's birth time is not accurate, but other details are: Feb 12, 1809, Hardin County, Kentucky, USA, time around 6 am. Lincoln had a very strong shadbala score of Mars followed by that of Saturn. Barack has his AK as Mars and a very strong Cap. Most of the primaries that have shaped this democratic race were held on Tuesdays which is the day ruled by Obama's AK mars. I believe it hurts him as this represents the 'sins' of the past coming back to affect him? Lincoln's Sun was in Aquarius while Barack's ketu is in Aquarius. So a life time of Aquarian experience can be reflected in this life's ketu there in the same sign. Lincoln had an exalted Jup in his D9. Obama seems to have a very strong Jup also. His Jup is conjunct Saturn in its own sign, Cap, which makes it neecha bhanga. His Saturn is also vargottama. Lincoln had Saturn in Scorpio in natal and Mars and Venus in Scorpio in D9 while Obama's Scorpio has the highest AV score among all his houses (39). It might be interesting to look at this article, wherein apparently Paramhamsa Yogananda stated that Lincoln reincarnated in the form of Charles Lindenburgh. http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2007/05/11/upcoming-interview-richard-salva/ If it helps find out anything about the soul's journey forward, here is the Time of Lincoln's death from being shot: 7.22 am, Washington DC, April 15, 1865 Maybe that gives some answers? Thanks Shiv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Hey, Shiv... There is a thing going around on the internet that I take with a grain of salt that says Obama is Lincoln reincarnated. Yes, Lincoln was racist, but you can't take a person out of their time and culture. It would be ironic if he incarnated as a person of color as a sort of part of a continuum to try to bring the USA and different peoples together, one step at a time, one lifetime at a time. It seems that many people in this country (USA) want to isolate themselves, not as individuals but as a group. Even if he doesn't become prez, which he probably won't, he may be a symbol of a change that's slowly, slowly, taking place. I wonder why PY thought that Lindburgh was Lincoln reincarnated? I'll have to read that article. Incidentally, Lindurgh was very racist and even a Nazi sympathizer! ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Shiv Saturday, May 17, 2008 8:55 AM Reincarnational Astrology Hi all, It might sound far fetched but just for the fun and the learning part of it, this might be something to play with. What are the odds that Obama and Lincoln share some common past. On the outside there are some apparent commonalities. A theme to unite people (although there is a lot to suggest this could be political, also Lincoln himself wasn't the saint that he is usually made out to be. Before he was killed he was working on something that would ensure blacks would live separately in the society and not mingle). It's somewhat coincidental that Lincoln declared his bid for presidency at the very same spot that Obama did more than 100 years later. Some of the assumptions that this is based on are: Ketu represents the past tendencies. As per recent writings on jyotish, D60 varga chart represents the past life. Also jyotishically, AK, atmakarka, the planet with the highest degrees in any sign in the chart, represents the major focus of all that has been done in the past. It represents both the benefits and the challenges that come with having overused the negative tendencies of that planet. The native has the obligation to learn the lessons of overusing that energy and atone for that. So someone with Ak Mars for example would have to learn the lessons of giving up violence. Now Barack claims to want to run a positive campaign, no smear attacks. He actually has been perceived as very non-masculine by many, even his own supporters, especially vis-à-vis Hillary who of course has an exalted Mars in her D9. Abe Lincoln's birth time is not accurate, but other details are: Feb 12, 1809, Hardin County, Kentucky, USA, time around 6 am. Lincoln had a very strong shadbala score of Mars followed by that of Saturn. Barack has his AK as Mars and a very strong Cap. Most of the primaries that have shaped this democratic race were held on Tuesdays which is the day ruled by Obama's AK mars. I believe it hurts him as this represents the 'sins' of the past coming back to affect him? Lincoln's Sun was in Aquarius while Barack's ketu is in Aquarius. So a life time of Aquarian experience can be reflected in this life's ketu there in the same sign. Lincoln had an exalted Jup in his D9. Obama seems to have a very strong Jup also. His Jup is conjunct Saturn in its own sign, Cap, which makes it neecha bhanga. His Saturn is also vargottama. Lincoln had Saturn in Scorpio in natal and Mars and Venus in Scorpio in D9 while Obama's Scorpio has the highest AV score among all his houses (39). It might be interesting to look at this article, wherein apparently Paramhamsa Yogananda stated that Lincoln reincarnated in the form of Charles Lindenburgh. http://mysteriousun <http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2007/05/11/upcoming-interview-richard-salva/> iverse.org/2007/05/11/upcoming-interview-richard-salva/ If it helps find out anything about the soul's journey forward, here is the Time of Lincoln's death from being shot: 7.22 am, Washington DC, April 15, 1865 Maybe that gives some answers? Thanks Shiv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 At 09:17 AM 5/17/08 -0700, Bettina wrote: > >I wonder why PY thought that Lindburgh was Lincoln reincarnated? ------------------------------ Bettina, I'm surprised at this comment. As a spiritual master, Yogananda doesn't 'think' about who was who in the past. He Knows because he has universal consciousness. I just looked up Lincoln in Kriyananda's THE PATH. Yes, there's a paragraph in there about Lincoln/Lindburgh in the chapter on reincarnation. (But you won't find Yogananda's org, SRF, discussing this kind of info.) Lots of other past/current lives in THE PATH as well. Also Ruth Montgomery has lots of reincarnational notes on personalities in her books. I don't know how valid that all is. Supposedly her guides know and gave her the information. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Therese... Not denying it; just thought it was interesting. But it is known that at least at one time CL was a Nazi sympathizer, even if he was the reincarnation of Lincoln. This is a widely known fact. There's a lot of info about it on the internet. ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Therese Hamilton Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:20 AM RE: Reincarnational Astrology At 09:17 AM 5/17/08 -0700, Bettina wrote: > >I wonder why PY thought that Lindburgh was Lincoln reincarnated? ------------------------------ Bettina, I'm surprised at this comment. As a spiritual master, Yogananda doesn't 'think' about who was who in the past. He Knows because he has universal consciousness. I just looked up Lincoln in Kriyananda's THE PATH. Yes, there's a paragraph in there about Lincoln/Lindburgh in the chapter on reincarnation. (But you won't find Yogananda's org, SRF, discussing this kind of info.) Lots of other past/current lives in THE PATH as well. Also Ruth Montgomery has lots of reincarnational notes on personalities in her books. I don't know how valid that all is. Supposedly her guides know and gave her the information. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Bettina: So there are already people out there on the net who have proposed this notion? I thought this was original ( What is their basis: astrological, circumstantial or some other? Do you have some links. Does Lincoln's death chart have any connections with Charles's birth chart. How about some connections or lack thereof between Lincoln's death time chart and Obama's birth chart? If someone is interested to investigate it I can supply birth details of a highly reputed Saint in recent India ( passed away about 15 years back) who openly and repeatedly claimed to be the reincarnation of Ramakrishna Parmamhamsa (the Guru of Vivekananda, who came to USA before PY). Cheers Shiv , " Bettina " <chiria wrote: > > Therese... > > > Not denying it; just thought it was interesting. > > But it is known that at least at one time CL was a Nazi sympathizer, even if > he was the reincarnation of Lincoln. This is a widely known fact. There's a > lot of info about it on the internet. > > > ...Bettina > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Therese Hamilton > Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:20 AM > > RE: Reincarnational Astrology > > > > At 09:17 AM 5/17/08 -0700, Bettina wrote: > > > >I wonder why PY thought that Lindburgh was Lincoln reincarnated? > ------------------------------ > > Bettina, I'm surprised at this comment. As a spiritual master, Yogananda > doesn't 'think' about who was who in the past. He Knows because he has > universal consciousness. > > I just looked up Lincoln in Kriyananda's THE PATH. Yes, there's a paragraph > in there about Lincoln/Lindburgh in the chapter on reincarnation. (But you > won't find Yogananda's org, SRF, discussing this kind of info.) Lots of > other past/current lives in THE PATH as well. Also Ruth Montgomery has lots > of reincarnational notes on personalities in her books. I don't know how > valid that all is. Supposedly her guides know and gave her the information. > > Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Shiv... I hadn't heard about CL being the reincarnation of AL until you included that URL about it. I don't know who started saying that Obama is the reincarnation of AL, just that there was a thing going around about it on the internet. I don't know how one would see these things astrologically. Some folks have claimed that Mata Amritanandamayi (a living Hindu saint you've probably heard of) is the reincarnation of Ramakrishna, some have said she's the reinc. of PY. I have to look up when CL died. Maybe Obama is the reinc of him, but I think that their lifetimes overlapped. ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Shiv Saturday, May 17, 2008 12:21 PM Re: Reincarnational Astrology Bettina: So there are already people out there on the net who have proposed this notion? I thought this was original ( What is their basis: astrological, circumstantial or some other? Do you have some links. Does Lincoln's death chart have any connections with Charles's birth chart. How about some connections or lack thereof between Lincoln's death time chart and Obama's birth chart? If someone is interested to investigate it I can supply birth details of a highly reputed Saint in recent India ( passed away about 15 years back) who openly and repeatedly claimed to be the reincarnation of Ramakrishna Parmamhamsa (the Guru of Vivekananda, who came to USA before PY). Cheers Shiv @ <%40> , " Bettina " <chiria wrote: > > Therese... > > > Not denying it; just thought it was interesting. > > But it is known that at least at one time CL was a Nazi sympathizer, even if > he was the reincarnation of Lincoln. This is a widely known fact. There's a > lot of info about it on the internet. > > > ...Bettina > > > > _____ > > @ <%40> > [@ <%40> ] On Behalf Of Therese Hamilton > Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:20 AM > @ <%40> > RE: Reincarnational Astrology > > > > At 09:17 AM 5/17/08 -0700, Bettina wrote: > > > >I wonder why PY thought that Lindburgh was Lincoln reincarnated? > ------------------------------ > > Bettina, I'm surprised at this comment. As a spiritual master, Yogananda > doesn't 'think' about who was who in the past. He Knows because he has > universal consciousness. > > I just looked up Lincoln in Kriyananda's THE PATH. Yes, there's a paragraph > in there about Lincoln/Lindburgh in the chapter on reincarnation. (But you > won't find Yogananda's org, SRF, discussing this kind of info.) Lots of > other past/current lives in THE PATH as well. Also Ruth Montgomery has lots > of reincarnational notes on personalities in her books. I don't know how > valid that all is. Supposedly her guides know and gave her the information. > > Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Shiv... No, Lindburgh's and Obama's lives overlapped by quite a few yrs. ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Shiv Saturday, May 17, 2008 12:21 PM Re: Reincarnational Astrology Bettina: So there are already people out there on the net who have proposed this notion? I thought this was original ( What is their basis: astrological, circumstantial or some other? Do you have some links. Does Lincoln's death chart have any connections with Charles's birth chart. How about some connections or lack thereof between Lincoln's death time chart and Obama's birth chart? If someone is interested to investigate it I can supply birth details of a highly reputed Saint in recent India ( passed away about 15 years back) who openly and repeatedly claimed to be the reincarnation of Ramakrishna Parmamhamsa (the Guru of Vivekananda, who came to USA before PY). Cheers Shiv @ <%40> , " Bettina " <chiria wrote: > > Therese... > > > Not denying it; just thought it was interesting. > > But it is known that at least at one time CL was a Nazi sympathizer, even if > he was the reincarnation of Lincoln. This is a widely known fact. There's a > lot of info about it on the internet. > > > ...Bettina > > > > _____ > > @ <%40> > [@ <%40> ] On Behalf Of Therese Hamilton > Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:20 AM > @ <%40> > RE: Reincarnational Astrology > > > > At 09:17 AM 5/17/08 -0700, Bettina wrote: > > > >I wonder why PY thought that Lindburgh was Lincoln reincarnated? > ------------------------------ > > Bettina, I'm surprised at this comment. As a spiritual master, Yogananda > doesn't 'think' about who was who in the past. He Knows because he has > universal consciousness. > > I just looked up Lincoln in Kriyananda's THE PATH. Yes, there's a paragraph > in there about Lincoln/Lindburgh in the chapter on reincarnation. (But you > won't find Yogananda's org, SRF, discussing this kind of info.) Lots of > other past/current lives in THE PATH as well. Also Ruth Montgomery has lots > of reincarnational notes on personalities in her books. I don't know how > valid that all is. Supposedly her guides know and gave her the information. > > Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 At 11:15 AM 5/17/08 -0700, you wrote: >But it is known that at least at one time CL was a Nazi sympathizer, even if >he was the reincarnation of Lincoln. This is a widely known fact. There's a >lot of info about it on the internet. I'm not an expert on the historical perspective, but at the beginning I thought maybe the Nazi ideals were all right, but then Hitler got sidetracked on ethnic cleansing. I don't think anyone with a conscience would support ethnic cleansing. There might be a relevant time line here. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 I hope it was a misunderstanding on Lindburgh's part, as he was a heroic person in other ways. But Hitler was antisemitic from the get-go. That doesn't mean that everyone knew about the death camps, though. ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Therese Hamilton Saturday, May 17, 2008 3:09 PM RE: Reincarnational Astrology At 11:15 AM 5/17/08 -0700, you wrote: >But it is known that at least at one time CL was a Nazi sympathizer, even if >he was the reincarnation of Lincoln. This is a widely known fact. There's a >lot of info about it on the internet. I'm not an expert on the historical perspective, but at the beginning I thought maybe the Nazi ideals were all right, but then Hitler got sidetracked on ethnic cleansing. I don't think anyone with a conscience would support ethnic cleansing. There might be a relevant time line here. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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