Jupiter (to Shiv)

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Shiv wrote:

 

I know at least three people with Jup retro. One my former roomie, my sis

and a lady friend. The first two have it on ascendant.

These people surely become enamored with knowledge and with the pursuit of

deeper wisdom. It's very easy to get loads of free unasked for advise from

them too ) They seem to take a broader view of the world. Barack Obama has

Jup retro and he loves to talk about hope and inspiration and some have

accused him of 'preaching'.

 

Sari:

 

I have a retro-Jupiter and what you wrote does fit me. In medieval astrology

retro planets kind of refuse to do what they're asked: if another planet is

applying them in aspect, they do not perfect that aspect, but return the

energy of the applying planet back added with their own energy so that the

applying planet is free to move forwards. I see the retrogading planet going

kind of transparent, you can move through it, it doesn't block the energy,

but on the other hand its own action is limited. In traditional Western

astrology it's said that a retrogade planet is like a man fallen sick and

laying in his bed, unable to function.

 

In the modern world it might be something like turning your back to the

usual social requirements and being more interested in your own little

activities. John Lennon had his ascendant ruler Jupiter retrogade and when

his Jupiter dasha begun in 1975, he stopped recording and performing, and

started in his famous " househusband period " , taking care of the child at

home while Yoko Ono was " going to work " and managing their bisnes

endeavours.

 

Shiv wrote:

 

To add my two pennies to what Therese and Sari mentioned about Jup and the

its connection to spirituality and materialism: In the earlier days,the pre

'new age' era, Jup covered the realm of religion and not spirituality as we

know it today. I supposed ketu reflects the true non ritual, non structured,

pure essence of spirituality.

 

Sari:

 

This is a good point. If Ketu is like Mars, that would give a fiery quality

to it, and then we have the fiery Sun = the soul. Could it be that

fire/Ketu/the Sun are the modern spiritual significators? I think there's

too much social approval with Jupiter to signify modern, non-establishment

spirituality, which is generally seen more as a

turning-your-back-to-the-materialistic-world thing.

 

Shiv wrote:

 

But jyotishically Jup was not just about religion but also by the same

definition about tradition,since religions came through lineage and

traditions. That should lead us to conclude that strong Jup folks have what

are considered mainstream conservative views, probably have jobs like

bankers etc. that are respectable, approved, high paying but not new ground

breaking. In a sense a part of what we believe about Saturn now was inbuilt

in the effects of Jup then. Just that Jup was more high class than Saturn.

That's my thought process at this point.

 

Sari:

 

Yep, exactly. And the reason why Saturn is now seen as the keeper of

traditions is that tropical Capricorn covers today sidereal Sagittarius

ruled by Jupiter. The sift in the planetary symbolism in modern tropical

astrology has happened by precession.

 

Best, Sari