Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 >My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work Therese, From the western astrology side, I read somewhere and have seen from my client's charts and my own chart, that a sun in the 5th house is an indicator of a person viewing work as a way of creative self-expression, therefore making work seem more fun than someone with the sun in the 6th house of work. Folks I've seen with 6th house sun tend to be totally " enslaved " by work. Even though they spend a great deal of time with work, work can make them sick or feel over-burdened, instead of giving them pleasure like folks with the 5th house sun. Hope this helps a litte with your reseach... Felicia Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: At 12:20 PM 3/13/08 -0700, Felicia wrote: > > I have been studying western astrology for years, but have only started accepting clients for the past two years. I mostly apply the evolutionary astrology approach to help clients understand their evolutionary path. I also help folks identify career path options, coupling astrology with knowledge from my master's degree in organizational development. Felicia, this is quite a big responsibility. I've never worked with evolutionary astrology, and am not quite sure what it is. It's been discussed on some tropical forums. Career path options is a great way to go if you have a system that works. In this respect, you'll find sidereal rulerships more applicable than the tropical. >(...) One thing that I find most lacking in the books I've read so far is predicting death and health which are of primary concerns to my client base. There is some good information in Ernst Wilhelm's GRAHA SUTRAS on the planetary rulerships of the body's energy and health systems. I didn't know, for example, before studying that book, that Mars has to do with the nervous system because it's a 'hot' planet and related to the flow of electricity throught the body. Wilhelm translates ancient Sanskrit terms that describe the various ways that planets act. Most interesting and helpful. I have a shelf full of Jyotish texts on health and disease with titles like " The Astrological Diagnosis of Diseases, " but have never really studied these books. The Astrology Center of America has translated a few of the older western medical texts. They're quite interesting, but again, I've never really worked with health and disease. http://www.astroamerica.com/ >>I was told that eastern astrology has a better grasp of this subject. Am I wrong? Well, this is what I am hoping to find out by venturing over to eastern astrology. This site began as a forum for western sidereal astrologers, but they seem to be few and far between compared to newer students of Jyotish. Jyotish seems to have struck a chord in the minds of western astrologers, perhaps because some of the emphasis is similar to tropical astrology. Astrologers always shy away from predicting death, though I've noticed that in solar returns the 4th house generally comes into play, representing an 'ending.' Whereas astrologers can chart the progress of illness with transits and solar returns, becoming specific about health problems really belongs to practicing health professionals. This is why it would be very helpful for astrologers interested in this area to link up with someone in the health field who is sympathetic to astrology. This should really be a joint venture, and could be very productive. I have a book in my library, CASENOTES OF A MEDICAL ASTROLOGER by Dr. Margaret Millard, M.D., who was a personal friend of mine. She left us some years ago, but her book is still here. I have to confess that I'd have to read the book again to remember everything she wrote. It would be helpful to re-draw the charts in the sidereal zodiac. If your interest is in pinpointing health problems, you might want to find a copy of that book--published in 1980 by Samuel Weiser. I haven't checked the internet to see if it's available. My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work, so that the patterns can be used to counsel parents to help provide the best situtions for their children to prepare for work that would make them happy. So much to study and learn--so little time!! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Here's an insight I've had into 5th hs Suns: I call it the incicator of the " vagabond " ; they tend to go from one thing to another, trying this and that. It's what we might call " following your heart " . They rarely stick to the same career through their entire adult life. They often move around quite a bit. Maybe they do love their work, but they're not totally dedicated to it. When Saturn is in the 5th, work is the hobby. ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Felicia Hong Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:09 AM Happy in work signature Re: Astrology and Health (was Newbie introduction) >My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work Therese, From the western astrology side, I read somewhere and have seen from my client's charts and my own chart, that a sun in the 5th house is an indicator of a person viewing work as a way of creative self-expression, therefore making work seem more fun than someone with the sun in the 6th house of work. Folks I've seen with 6th house sun tend to be totally " enslaved " by work. Even though they spend a great deal of time with work, work can make them sick or feel over-burdened, instead of giving them pleasure like folks with the 5th house sun. Hope this helps a litte with your reseach... Felicia Therese Hamilton <eastwest (AT) snowcrest (DOT) <eastwest%40snowcrest.net> net> wrote: At 12:20 PM 3/13/08 -0700, Felicia wrote: > > I have been studying western astrology for years, but have only started accepting clients for the past two years. I mostly apply the evolutionary astrology approach to help clients understand their evolutionary path. I also help folks identify career path options, coupling astrology with knowledge from my master's degree in organizational development. Felicia, this is quite a big responsibility. I've never worked with evolutionary astrology, and am not quite sure what it is. It's been discussed on some tropical forums. Career path options is a great way to go if you have a system that works. In this respect, you'll find sidereal rulerships more applicable than the tropical. >(...) One thing that I find most lacking in the books I've read so far is predicting death and health which are of primary concerns to my client base. There is some good information in Ernst Wilhelm's GRAHA SUTRAS on the planetary rulerships of the body's energy and health systems. I didn't know, for example, before studying that book, that Mars has to do with the nervous system because it's a 'hot' planet and related to the flow of electricity throught the body. Wilhelm translates ancient Sanskrit terms that describe the various ways that planets act. Most interesting and helpful. I have a shelf full of Jyotish texts on health and disease with titles like " The Astrological Diagnosis of Diseases, " but have never really studied these books. The Astrology Center of America has translated a few of the older western medical texts. They're quite interesting, but again, I've never really worked with health and disease. http://www.astroame <http://www.astroamerica.com/> rica.com/ >>I was told that eastern astrology has a better grasp of this subject. Am I wrong? Well, this is what I am hoping to find out by venturing over to eastern astrology. This site began as a forum for western sidereal astrologers, but they seem to be few and far between compared to newer students of Jyotish. Jyotish seems to have struck a chord in the minds of western astrologers, perhaps because some of the emphasis is similar to tropical astrology. Astrologers always shy away from predicting death, though I've noticed that in solar returns the 4th house generally comes into play, representing an 'ending.' Whereas astrologers can chart the progress of illness with transits and solar returns, becoming specific about health problems really belongs to practicing health professionals. This is why it would be very helpful for astrologers interested in this area to link up with someone in the health field who is sympathetic to astrology. This should really be a joint venture, and could be very productive. I have a book in my library, CASENOTES OF A MEDICAL ASTROLOGER by Dr. Margaret Millard, M.D., who was a personal friend of mine. She left us some years ago, but her book is still here. I have to confess that I'd have to read the book again to remember everything she wrote. It would be helpful to re-draw the charts in the sidereal zodiac. If your interest is in pinpointing health problems, you might want to find a copy of that book--published in 1980 by Samuel Weiser. I haven't checked the internet to see if it's available. My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work, so that the patterns can be used to counsel parents to help provide the best situtions for their children to prepare for work that would make them happy. So much to study and learn--so little time!! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Felicia... I finally feel ready to throw out a few observations about your chart: you have 3 planets in Pisces in the natal chart, namely Mars, Sun, and Mercury. In your navamsa, or 9th harmonic chart, you have the Moon in that sign. PLUS, you have Neptune, the modern ruler of Pisces, on your asc. That's quite a strong Neptunian influence. On top of that you have the other ruler of Pisces, Jupiter, on your navamsa asc. You're expansive, you'd like to take in the whole universe at once. You're much more connected to the whole picture than to details. You're impulsive...get an idea in your head about something you want to do, someplace you want to go, some new venture, and you do it without stopping to think about the pros and cons overly much. Other people might look on and wonder if you're using common sense, but that's just not your style. With a strongly angular Venus and navamsa Venus cnj your natal asc you're probably attractive to other people and usually get them to go along with you. You don't like barriers and limitations. That shows up again with your Moon cnj Rahu...Rahu is that indicator of " muchness " . Since they're in Gemini in the 9th, that muchness likely has to do with ecucation, knowledge, deep understanding. You can change your mind or your mood or your direction very suddenly. Your're unpredictable. I see you as not being so much a teacher to other people as an inspiration. You give the impression of being happy, and probably are. It's as though you seem to have risen above the dreariness of the world. ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Felicia Hong Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:09 AM Happy in work signature Re: Astrology and Health (was Newbie introduction) >My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work Therese, From the western astrology side, I read somewhere and have seen from my client's charts and my own chart, that a sun in the 5th house is an indicator of a person viewing work as a way of creative self-expression, therefore making work seem more fun than someone with the sun in the 6th house of work. Folks I've seen with 6th house sun tend to be totally " enslaved " by work. Even though they spend a great deal of time with work, work can make them sick or feel over-burdened, instead of giving them pleasure like folks with the 5th house sun. Hope this helps a litte with your reseach... Felicia Therese Hamilton <eastwest (AT) snowcrest (DOT) <eastwest%40snowcrest.net> net> wrote: At 12:20 PM 3/13/08 -0700, Felicia wrote: > > I have been studying western astrology for years, but have only started accepting clients for the past two years. I mostly apply the evolutionary astrology approach to help clients understand their evolutionary path. I also help folks identify career path options, coupling astrology with knowledge from my master's degree in organizational development. Felicia, this is quite a big responsibility. I've never worked with evolutionary astrology, and am not quite sure what it is. It's been discussed on some tropical forums. Career path options is a great way to go if you have a system that works. In this respect, you'll find sidereal rulerships more applicable than the tropical. >(...) One thing that I find most lacking in the books I've read so far is predicting death and health which are of primary concerns to my client base. There is some good information in Ernst Wilhelm's GRAHA SUTRAS on the planetary rulerships of the body's energy and health systems. I didn't know, for example, before studying that book, that Mars has to do with the nervous system because it's a 'hot' planet and related to the flow of electricity throught the body. Wilhelm translates ancient Sanskrit terms that describe the various ways that planets act. Most interesting and helpful. I have a shelf full of Jyotish texts on health and disease with titles like " The Astrological Diagnosis of Diseases, " but have never really studied these books. The Astrology Center of America has translated a few of the older western medical texts. They're quite interesting, but again, I've never really worked with health and disease. http://www.astroame <http://www.astroamerica.com/> rica.com/ >>I was told that eastern astrology has a better grasp of this subject. Am I wrong? Well, this is what I am hoping to find out by venturing over to eastern astrology. This site began as a forum for western sidereal astrologers, but they seem to be few and far between compared to newer students of Jyotish. Jyotish seems to have struck a chord in the minds of western astrologers, perhaps because some of the emphasis is similar to tropical astrology. Astrologers always shy away from predicting death, though I've noticed that in solar returns the 4th house generally comes into play, representing an 'ending.' Whereas astrologers can chart the progress of illness with transits and solar returns, becoming specific about health problems really belongs to practicing health professionals. This is why it would be very helpful for astrologers interested in this area to link up with someone in the health field who is sympathetic to astrology. This should really be a joint venture, and could be very productive. I have a book in my library, CASENOTES OF A MEDICAL ASTROLOGER by Dr. Margaret Millard, M.D., who was a personal friend of mine. She left us some years ago, but her book is still here. I have to confess that I'd have to read the book again to remember everything she wrote. It would be helpful to re-draw the charts in the sidereal zodiac. If your interest is in pinpointing health problems, you might want to find a copy of that book--published in 1980 by Samuel Weiser. I haven't checked the internet to see if it's available. My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work, so that the patterns can be used to counsel parents to help provide the best situtions for their children to prepare for work that would make them happy. So much to study and learn--so little time!! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 At 03:18 PM 3/18/08 -0700, Bettina wrote: >Here's an insight I've had into 5th hs Suns: I call it the incicator of >the " vagabond " ; they tend to go from one thing to another, trying this and >that. It's what we might call " following your heart " . They rarely stick to >the same career through their entire adult life. They often move around >quite a bit. Maybe they do love their work, but they're not totally >dedicated to it. When Saturn is in the 5th, work is the hobby. Hi Bettina, I remember that DeFouw (Light on Life) said that the 5th is not good for a career since it's in poor aspect (6/8) to the 10th. So the 6th would seem to fit Felicia better because she said she's always had to work. 6th belongs to the 10th house trine of houses. The 5th tends to 'not work,' but like you said, follows the heart. This more or less applies to me. My ascendant lord is in the 5th, and although I had to work when I was younger, I quit fairly early to follow my heart--that is study, writing and research, some counseling in the astrological area. I could never ask for money for readings, so there was really no money in this. I was just able to concentrate on what I loved. My support was from my generous husband. Whereas I consider astrology my life-long career,the world wouldn't see it that way because I never wanted to mix money with astrology. And astrology has no status (10th house). Yogananda is another case of a Sun in 5th with whole sign houses, but in the 6th with Hindu equal house. He worked very hard his entire life for his organization and writing--preparing his teachings to go into print. He was not a 5th house personality. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Hi Bettina, From my tropical 5th house Sun perspective, I demand that work be meaningful, and therefore " fun " . However, my Sun is sidereally in the 6th, and this could be why I always " had to work " like Therese said. The thing is, even though I always had to work, I was always able to work on something that has sort of a discovery or new aspects, or I would invent a new way of working with an old subject area. But then again, I have the tendency to blur the line between home and work, so that might be a 6th house symptom there. Now I'm confused...:-) Bettina <chiria wrote: Here's an insight I've had into 5th hs Suns: I call it the incicator of the " vagabond " ; they tend to go from one thing to another, trying this and that. It's what we might call " following your heart " . They rarely stick to the same career through their entire adult life. They often move around quite a bit. Maybe they do love their work, but they're not totally dedicated to it. When Saturn is in the 5th, work is the hobby. ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Felicia Hong Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:09 AM Happy in work signature Re: Astrology and Health (was Newbie introduction) >My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work Therese, From the western astrology side, I read somewhere and have seen from my client's charts and my own chart, that a sun in the 5th house is an indicator of a person viewing work as a way of creative self-expression, therefore making work seem more fun than someone with the sun in the 6th house of work. Folks I've seen with 6th house sun tend to be totally " enslaved " by work. Even though they spend a great deal of time with work, work can make them sick or feel over-burdened, instead of giving them pleasure like folks with the 5th house sun. Hope this helps a litte with your reseach... Felicia Therese Hamilton <eastwest (AT) snowcrest (DOT) <eastwest%40snowcrest.net> net> wrote: At 12:20 PM 3/13/08 -0700, Felicia wrote: > > I have been studying western astrology for years, but have only started accepting clients for the past two years. I mostly apply the evolutionary astrology approach to help clients understand their evolutionary path. I also help folks identify career path options, coupling astrology with knowledge from my master's degree in organizational development. Felicia, this is quite a big responsibility. I've never worked with evolutionary astrology, and am not quite sure what it is. It's been discussed on some tropical forums. Career path options is a great way to go if you have a system that works. In this respect, you'll find sidereal rulerships more applicable than the tropical. >(...) One thing that I find most lacking in the books I've read so far is predicting death and health which are of primary concerns to my client base. There is some good information in Ernst Wilhelm's GRAHA SUTRAS on the planetary rulerships of the body's energy and health systems. I didn't know, for example, before studying that book, that Mars has to do with the nervous system because it's a 'hot' planet and related to the flow of electricity throught the body. Wilhelm translates ancient Sanskrit terms that describe the various ways that planets act. Most interesting and helpful. I have a shelf full of Jyotish texts on health and disease with titles like " The Astrological Diagnosis of Diseases, " but have never really studied these books. The Astrology Center of America has translated a few of the older western medical texts. They're quite interesting, but again, I've never really worked with health and disease. http://www.astroame <http://www.astroamerica.com/> rica.com/ >>I was told that eastern astrology has a better grasp of this subject. Am I wrong? Well, this is what I am hoping to find out by venturing over to eastern astrology. This site began as a forum for western sidereal astrologers, but they seem to be few and far between compared to newer students of Jyotish. Jyotish seems to have struck a chord in the minds of western astrologers, perhaps because some of the emphasis is similar to tropical astrology. Astrologers always shy away from predicting death, though I've noticed that in solar returns the 4th house generally comes into play, representing an 'ending.' Whereas astrologers can chart the progress of illness with transits and solar returns, becoming specific about health problems really belongs to practicing health professionals. This is why it would be very helpful for astrologers interested in this area to link up with someone in the health field who is sympathetic to astrology. This should really be a joint venture, and could be very productive. I have a book in my library, CASENOTES OF A MEDICAL ASTROLOGER by Dr. Margaret Millard, M.D., who was a personal friend of mine. She left us some years ago, but her book is still here. I have to confess that I'd have to read the book again to remember everything she wrote. It would be helpful to re-draw the charts in the sidereal zodiac. If your interest is in pinpointing health problems, you might want to find a copy of that book--published in 1980 by Samuel Weiser. I haven't checked the internet to see if it's available. My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work, so that the patterns can be used to counsel parents to help provide the best situtions for their children to prepare for work that would make them happy. So much to study and learn--so little time!! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Hi Bettina, Thank you for an interesting analysis. I think you are very right about most of it. Amazing! Bettina wrote: You're expansive, you'd like to take in the whole universe at once. You're much more connected to the whole picture than to details. Felicia: Yes, I always look at the big picture first and hate details. I'm often asked to write big plans to implement new initiatives at work. However, I'm known to have a knack for defining the plan details, down to the level of who will do what, but I don't want to be the one carrying out the steps, though :-) just the oversight provider and guide. Bettian wrote: You're impulsive... get an idea in your head about something you want to do, someplace you want to go, some new venture, and you do it without stopping to think about the pros and cons overly much. Other people might look on and wonder if you're using common sense, but that's just not your style. Felicia: True that I tend to be impulsive in wanting to jump into something new. However, I'm not impulsive in the sense of engaging in risky behaviors. I am adventurous in terms of new ventures, but often do a great deal of research and equip myself with a detailed plan before embarking. But I'm defintely impulsive when it comes to the emotion, like having an emotional outburst and then regretting it. Is that in the chart, too? Bettina wrote: With a strongly angular Venus and navamsa Venus cnj your natal asc you're probably attractive to other people and usually get them to go along with you. Felicia: That's interesting. It's true that people acknowledge that I tend to inspire them to go along with me, however, I usually feel that I am the one to accommodate and people often regard me as easy to get along with and low maintenance. This is true both in personal life and at work. I do know how to find my allies :-) But I do have unusual relationships, though. For example, I am still very close with my ex-mother and ex-sister in law even my ex and I don't really talk. They actually stay with me when they come to California and always love to have me visit them in Missouri. My step dad often said that he loves me more than his own daughter because I listen to him. I think it's just because I tend to not fuss over small stuffs and let him have his domineering ways whereas his own daughter would have a verbal fight with him. Bettina wrote: You don't like barriers and limitations. Felicia: Yes! So true Bettina. I hate people who sets fixed limits and who say " never " too many times. I believe in continual expansion. Bettinia wrote: You can change your mind or your mood or your direction very suddenly. Your're unpredictable. Felicia: I do change my mind very often as I am flexible and not fixed in my ideas (except for my values and principles). And yes, I can see myself as moody. I can go from very high to very low moods very easily. However, I'm not sure if I'm unpredictable. I'll have to think more about that... Bettina wrote: I see you as not being so much a teacher to other people as an inspiration. Felicia: Hmmm... I love to share what I learn and I've been told that I am a great teacher, although it is true that I get more comments on being inspirational. I'm just very enthusiastic about my beliefs and what I do, so somehow that becomes contagious and people just naturally want the same thing for themselves, too. I never demand that people change, but they told me that I tend to " influence " changes in them. Bettina wrote; You give the impression of being happy, and probably are. It's as though you seem to have risen above the dreariness of the world. Felicia; Well Bettina, that is a gem of a compliment, since I strive to be happy by finding simple joys in everyday situations. It's good that it shows some...:-) I've just had two rough years where I ended a marriage, lost my home on the hill, dealt with a bout of cancer and chest pain troubles, and faced the fear of leaving my daughter an orphan. But that was an incredible journey of growth where I learned to set myself free from the ego's hold and discovered my more expansive self, the spiritual self. Now, I feel joy every morning when I'm out running at the park, thinking how fortunate I am to have a healthy body to run with, to have good eyes to see the beauty of nature, to have good ears to hear the music of life. I feel joy in sitting on the school bleacher watching my healthy daughter plays lacrosse (Yay! I'm a " soccer mom " , finally!). I feel joy in having friends to share stimulating thoughts and ones who remember to wish me happy birthday. I feel joy in being entrusted with important work in my job and it pays for me and my daughter to have a reasonably comfortable lifestyle. I feel joy in being a driver for my daughter and her friends (even though they don't really want me to hang around) so they can have their simple childhood fun. I feel joy in having a restful sleep knowing that it would renew me for another fulfuling day. I feel joy in being the conductor of love in my family and being well loved and respected by my siblings whom I've helped raise. I feel joy in giving a piece of myself in whatever I do. I feel joy in being able to be a source of comfort for my friends and family who might be in need, and no matter how small my contribution. I feel joy having peace in my heart. But most of all, I feel joy in knowing that I am just a small specticle in this vast universe and that I can learn to get up whenever I fall again. Bettina, Thank you for taking an interest in my chart. I must say this is very much the tropical Aries in me getting satisfaction from having others understand the real me. " I am therefore I am " -- that's what they say about the ram. Blessings, Felicia Bettina <chiria wrote: Felicia... I finally feel ready to throw out a few observations about your chart: you have 3 planets in Pisces in the natal chart, namely Mars, Sun, and Mercury. In your navamsa, or 9th harmonic chart, you have the Moon in that sign. PLUS, you have Neptune, the modern ruler of Pisces, on your asc. That's quite a strong Neptunian influence. On top of that you have the other ruler of Pisces, Jupiter, on your navamsa asc. You're expansive, you'd like to take in the whole universe at once. You're much more connected to the whole picture than to details. You're impulsive...get an idea in your head about something you want to do, someplace you want to go, some new venture, and you do it without stopping to think about the pros and cons overly much. Other people might look on and wonder if you're using common sense, but that's just not your style. With a strongly angular Venus and navamsa Venus cnj your natal asc you're probably attractive to other people and usually get them to go along with you. You don't like barriers and limitations. That shows up again with your Moon cnj Rahu...Rahu is that indicator of " muchness " . Since they're in Gemini in the 9th, that muchness likely has to do with ecucation, knowledge, deep understanding. You can change your mind or your mood or your direction very suddenly. Your're unpredictable. I see you as not being so much a teacher to other people as an inspiration. You give the impression of being happy, and probably are. It's as though you seem to have risen above the dreariness of the world. ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Felicia Hong Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:09 AM Happy in work signature Re: Astrology and Health (was Newbie introduction) >My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work Therese, From the western astrology side, I read somewhere and have seen from my client's charts and my own chart, that a sun in the 5th house is an indicator of a person viewing work as a way of creative self-expression, therefore making work seem more fun than someone with the sun in the 6th house of work. Folks I've seen with 6th house sun tend to be totally " enslaved " by work. Even though they spend a great deal of time with work, work can make them sick or feel over-burdened, instead of giving them pleasure like folks with the 5th house sun. Hope this helps a litte with your reseach... Felicia Therese Hamilton <eastwest (AT) snowcrest (DOT) <eastwest%40snowcrest.net> net> wrote: At 12:20 PM 3/13/08 -0700, Felicia wrote: > > I have been studying western astrology for years, but have only started accepting clients for the past two years. I mostly apply the evolutionary astrology approach to help clients understand their evolutionary path. I also help folks identify career path options, coupling astrology with knowledge from my master's degree in organizational development. Felicia, this is quite a big responsibility. I've never worked with evolutionary astrology, and am not quite sure what it is. It's been discussed on some tropical forums. Career path options is a great way to go if you have a system that works. In this respect, you'll find sidereal rulerships more applicable than the tropical. >(...) One thing that I find most lacking in the books I've read so far is predicting death and health which are of primary concerns to my client base. There is some good information in Ernst Wilhelm's GRAHA SUTRAS on the planetary rulerships of the body's energy and health systems. I didn't know, for example, before studying that book, that Mars has to do with the nervous system because it's a 'hot' planet and related to the flow of electricity throught the body. Wilhelm translates ancient Sanskrit terms that describe the various ways that planets act. Most interesting and helpful. I have a shelf full of Jyotish texts on health and disease with titles like " The Astrological Diagnosis of Diseases, " but have never really studied these books. The Astrology Center of America has translated a few of the older western medical texts. They're quite interesting, but again, I've never really worked with health and disease. http://www.astroame <http://www.astroamerica.com/> rica.com/ >>I was told that eastern astrology has a better grasp of this subject. Am I wrong? Well, this is what I am hoping to find out by venturing over to eastern astrology. This site began as a forum for western sidereal astrologers, but they seem to be few and far between compared to newer students of Jyotish. Jyotish seems to have struck a chord in the minds of western astrologers, perhaps because some of the emphasis is similar to tropical astrology. Astrologers always shy away from predicting death, though I've noticed that in solar returns the 4th house generally comes into play, representing an 'ending.' Whereas astrologers can chart the progress of illness with transits and solar returns, becoming specific about health problems really belongs to practicing health professionals. This is why it would be very helpful for astrologers interested in this area to link up with someone in the health field who is sympathetic to astrology. This should really be a joint venture, and could be very productive. I have a book in my library, CASENOTES OF A MEDICAL ASTROLOGER by Dr. Margaret Millard, M.D., who was a personal friend of mine. She left us some years ago, but her book is still here. I have to confess that I'd have to read the book again to remember everything she wrote. It would be helpful to re-draw the charts in the sidereal zodiac. If your interest is in pinpointing health problems, you might want to find a copy of that book--published in 1980 by Samuel Weiser. I haven't checked the internet to see if it's available. My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work, so that the patterns can be used to counsel parents to help provide the best situtions for their children to prepare for work that would make them happy. So much to study and learn--so little time!! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Felica... The last paragraph of your post (this one) sort of sums up how I picture you. Very spiritual and expansive and positive. You're probably somewhat of an idealist, too. I can almost see you as an inspirational speaker if you ever decided to go that route. Your strong Venus makes others feel at ease, like they can trust you not to hurt them or criticize them. When you say " ...I usually feel that I'm the one to accommodate and people ofter regard me as easy to get along with... " that strikes me as very Venusian. ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Felicia Hong Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:42 PM RE: Happy in work signature Re: Astrology and Health (was Newbie introduction) Hi Bettina, Thank you for an interesting analysis. I think you are very right about most of it. Amazing! Bettina wrote: You're expansive, you'd like to take in the whole universe at once. You're much more connected to the whole picture than to details. Felicia: Yes, I always look at the big picture first and hate details. I'm often asked to write big plans to implement new initiatives at work. However, I'm known to have a knack for defining the plan details, down to the level of who will do what, but I don't want to be the one carrying out the steps, though :-) just the oversight provider and guide. Bettian wrote: You're impulsive... get an idea in your head about something you want to do, someplace you want to go, some new venture, and you do it without stopping to think about the pros and cons overly much. Other people might look on and wonder if you're using common sense, but that's just not your style. Felicia: True that I tend to be impulsive in wanting to jump into something new. However, I'm not impulsive in the sense of engaging in risky behaviors. I am adventurous in terms of new ventures, but often do a great deal of research and equip myself with a detailed plan before embarking. But I'm defintely impulsive when it comes to the emotion, like having an emotional outburst and then regretting it. Is that in the chart, too? Bettina wrote: With a strongly angular Venus and navamsa Venus cnj your natal asc you're probably attractive to other people and usually get them to go along with you. Felicia: That's interesting. It's true that people acknowledge that I tend to inspire them to go along with me, however, I usually feel that I am the one to accommodate and people often regard me as easy to get along with and low maintenance. This is true both in personal life and at work. I do know how to find my allies :-) But I do have unusual relationships, though. For example, I am still very close with my ex-mother and ex-sister in law even my ex and I don't really talk. They actually stay with me when they come to California and always love to have me visit them in Missouri. My step dad often said that he loves me more than his own daughter because I listen to him. I think it's just because I tend to not fuss over small stuffs and let him have his domineering ways whereas his own daughter would have a verbal fight with him. Bettina wrote: You don't like barriers and limitations. Felicia: Yes! So true Bettina. I hate people who sets fixed limits and who say " never " too many times. I believe in continual expansion. Bettinia wrote: You can change your mind or your mood or your direction very suddenly. Your're unpredictable. Felicia: I do change my mind very often as I am flexible and not fixed in my ideas (except for my values and principles). And yes, I can see myself as moody. I can go from very high to very low moods very easily. However, I'm not sure if I'm unpredictable. I'll have to think more about that... Bettina wrote: I see you as not being so much a teacher to other people as an inspiration. Felicia: Hmmm... I love to share what I learn and I've been told that I am a great teacher, although it is true that I get more comments on being inspirational. I'm just very enthusiastic about my beliefs and what I do, so somehow that becomes contagious and people just naturally want the same thing for themselves, too. I never demand that people change, but they told me that I tend to " influence " changes in them. Bettina wrote; You give the impression of being happy, and probably are. It's as though you seem to have risen above the dreariness of the world. Felicia; Well Bettina, that is a gem of a compliment, since I strive to be happy by finding simple joys in everyday situations. It's good that it shows some...:-) I've just had two rough years where I ended a marriage, lost my home on the hill, dealt with a bout of cancer and chest pain troubles, and faced the fear of leaving my daughter an orphan. But that was an incredible journey of growth where I learned to set myself free from the ego's hold and discovered my more expansive self, the spiritual self. Now, I feel joy every morning when I'm out running at the park, thinking how fortunate I am to have a healthy body to run with, to have good eyes to see the beauty of nature, to have good ears to hear the music of life. I feel joy in sitting on the school bleacher watching my healthy daughter plays lacrosse (Yay! I'm a " soccer mom " , finally!). I feel joy in having friends to share stimulating thoughts and ones who remember to wish me happy birthday. I feel joy in being entrusted with important work in my job and it pays for me and my daughter to have a reasonably comfortable lifestyle. I feel joy in being a driver for my daughter and her friends (even though they don't really want me to hang around) so they can have their simple childhood fun. I feel joy in having a restful sleep knowing that it would renew me for another fulfuling day. I feel joy in being the conductor of love in my family and being well loved and respected by my siblings whom I've helped raise. I feel joy in giving a piece of myself in whatever I do. I feel joy in being able to be a source of comfort for my friends and family who might be in need, and no matter how small my contribution. I feel joy having peace in my heart. But most of all, I feel joy in knowing that I am just a small specticle in this vast universe and that I can learn to get up whenever I fall again. Bettina, Thank you for taking an interest in my chart. I must say this is very much the tropical Aries in me getting satisfaction from having others understand the real me. " I am therefore I am " -- that's what they say about the ram. Blessings, Felicia Bettina <chiria (AT) npgcable (DOT) <chiria%40npgcable.com> com> wrote: Felicia... I finally feel ready to throw out a few observations about your chart: you have 3 planets in Pisces in the natal chart, namely Mars, Sun, and Mercury. In your navamsa, or 9th harmonic chart, you have the Moon in that sign. PLUS, you have Neptune, the modern ruler of Pisces, on your asc. That's quite a strong Neptunian influence. On top of that you have the other ruler of Pisces, Jupiter, on your navamsa asc. You're expansive, you'd like to take in the whole universe at once. You're much more connected to the whole picture than to details. You're impulsive...get an idea in your head about something you want to do, someplace you want to go, some new venture, and you do it without stopping to think about the pros and cons overly much. Other people might look on and wonder if you're using common sense, but that's just not your style. With a strongly angular Venus and navamsa Venus cnj your natal asc you're probably attractive to other people and usually get them to go along with you. You don't like barriers and limitations. That shows up again with your Moon cnj Rahu...Rahu is that indicator of " muchness " . Since they're in Gemini in the 9th, that muchness likely has to do with ecucation, knowledge, deep understanding. You can change your mind or your mood or your direction very suddenly. Your're unpredictable. I see you as not being so much a teacher to other people as an inspiration. You give the impression of being happy, and probably are. It's as though you seem to have risen above the dreariness of the world. ....Bettina _____ @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] On Behalf Of Felicia Hong Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:09 AM @ <%40> Happy in work signature Re: Astrology and Health (was Newbie introduction) >My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work Therese, From the western astrology side, I read somewhere and have seen from my client's charts and my own chart, that a sun in the 5th house is an indicator of a person viewing work as a way of creative self-expression, therefore making work seem more fun than someone with the sun in the 6th house of work. Folks I've seen with 6th house sun tend to be totally " enslaved " by work. Even though they spend a great deal of time with work, work can make them sick or feel over-burdened, instead of giving them pleasure like folks with the 5th house sun. Hope this helps a litte with your reseach... Felicia Therese Hamilton <eastwest (AT) snowcrest (DOT) <eastwest%40snowcrest.net> net> wrote: At 12:20 PM 3/13/08 -0700, Felicia wrote: > > I have been studying western astrology for years, but have only started accepting clients for the past two years. I mostly apply the evolutionary astrology approach to help clients understand their evolutionary path. I also help folks identify career path options, coupling astrology with knowledge from my master's degree in organizational development. Felicia, this is quite a big responsibility. I've never worked with evolutionary astrology, and am not quite sure what it is. It's been discussed on some tropical forums. Career path options is a great way to go if you have a system that works. In this respect, you'll find sidereal rulerships more applicable than the tropical. >(...) One thing that I find most lacking in the books I've read so far is predicting death and health which are of primary concerns to my client base. There is some good information in Ernst Wilhelm's GRAHA SUTRAS on the planetary rulerships of the body's energy and health systems. I didn't know, for example, before studying that book, that Mars has to do with the nervous system because it's a 'hot' planet and related to the flow of electricity throught the body. Wilhelm translates ancient Sanskrit terms that describe the various ways that planets act. Most interesting and helpful. I have a shelf full of Jyotish texts on health and disease with titles like " The Astrological Diagnosis of Diseases, " but have never really studied these books. The Astrology Center of America has translated a few of the older western medical texts. They're quite interesting, but again, I've never really worked with health and disease. http://www.astroame <http://www.astroame <http://www.astroamerica.com/> rica.com/> rica.com/ >>I was told that eastern astrology has a better grasp of this subject. Am I wrong? Well, this is what I am hoping to find out by venturing over to eastern astrology. This site began as a forum for western sidereal astrologers, but they seem to be few and far between compared to newer students of Jyotish. Jyotish seems to have struck a chord in the minds of western astrologers, perhaps because some of the emphasis is similar to tropical astrology. Astrologers always shy away from predicting death, though I've noticed that in solar returns the 4th house generally comes into play, representing an 'ending.' Whereas astrologers can chart the progress of illness with transits and solar returns, becoming specific about health problems really belongs to practicing health professionals. This is why it would be very helpful for astrologers interested in this area to link up with someone in the health field who is sympathetic to astrology. This should really be a joint venture, and could be very productive. I have a book in my library, CASENOTES OF A MEDICAL ASTROLOGER by Dr. Margaret Millard, M.D., who was a personal friend of mine. She left us some years ago, but her book is still here. I have to confess that I'd have to read the book again to remember everything she wrote. It would be helpful to re-draw the charts in the sidereal zodiac. If your interest is in pinpointing health problems, you might want to find a copy of that book--published in 1980 by Samuel Weiser. I haven't checked the internet to see if it's available. My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work, so that the patterns can be used to counsel parents to help provide the best situtions for their children to prepare for work that would make them happy. So much to study and learn--so little time!! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Thank you , Bettina... I'm still trying to figure out what my true calling is. I want to use my best talent to make a positive impact on the lives of others. Is it being a motivational speaker? An astrologer? Counselor? I had my chart read by Noel Tyl at one point, and he told me that my true calling is related to creativity and teaching combined. I'm not sure what that is exactly. He also said that this coming year (2008) is the year when that is going to manifest. I'm kind of excited about that, but not sure what to expect. Right now, I enjoy helping young girls find their potentials in one-on-one astro-counseling meetings, which I find very rewarding. But I can only do this part time, as I still need to keep a full time job to take care of my daughter and myself. I was also told that astrology is not my ultimate career, but it can be a hobby sort of thing. What do you think? Do you have " astrologer " signatures in your chart? Regards, Felicia Bettina <chiria wrote: Felica... The last paragraph of your post (this one) sort of sums up how I picture you. Very spiritual and expansive and positive. You're probably somewhat of an idealist, too. I can almost see you as an inspirational speaker if you ever decided to go that route. Your strong Venus makes others feel at ease, like they can trust you not to hurt them or criticize them. When you say " ...I usually feel that I'm the one to accommodate and people ofter regard me as easy to get along with... " that strikes me as very Venusian. ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Felicia Hong Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:42 PM RE: Happy in work signature Re: Astrology and Health (was Newbie introduction) Hi Bettina, Thank you for an interesting analysis. I think you are very right about most of it. Amazing! Bettina wrote: You're expansive, you'd like to take in the whole universe at once. You're much more connected to the whole picture than to details. Felicia: Yes, I always look at the big picture first and hate details. I'm often asked to write big plans to implement new initiatives at work. However, I'm known to have a knack for defining the plan details, down to the level of who will do what, but I don't want to be the one carrying out the steps, though :-) just the oversight provider and guide. Bettian wrote: You're impulsive... get an idea in your head about something you want to do, someplace you want to go, some new venture, and you do it without stopping to think about the pros and cons overly much. Other people might look on and wonder if you're using common sense, but that's just not your style. Felicia: True that I tend to be impulsive in wanting to jump into something new. However, I'm not impulsive in the sense of engaging in risky behaviors. I am adventurous in terms of new ventures, but often do a great deal of research and equip myself with a detailed plan before embarking. But I'm defintely impulsive when it comes to the emotion, like having an emotional outburst and then regretting it. Is that in the chart, too? Bettina wrote: With a strongly angular Venus and navamsa Venus cnj your natal asc you're probably attractive to other people and usually get them to go along with you. Felicia: That's interesting. It's true that people acknowledge that I tend to inspire them to go along with me, however, I usually feel that I am the one to accommodate and people often regard me as easy to get along with and low maintenance. This is true both in personal life and at work. I do know how to find my allies :-) But I do have unusual relationships, though. For example, I am still very close with my ex-mother and ex-sister in law even my ex and I don't really talk. They actually stay with me when they come to California and always love to have me visit them in Missouri. My step dad often said that he loves me more than his own daughter because I listen to him. I think it's just because I tend to not fuss over small stuffs and let him have his domineering ways whereas his own daughter would have a verbal fight with him. Bettina wrote: You don't like barriers and limitations. Felicia: Yes! So true Bettina. I hate people who sets fixed limits and who say " never " too many times. I believe in continual expansion. Bettinia wrote: You can change your mind or your mood or your direction very suddenly. Your're unpredictable. Felicia: I do change my mind very often as I am flexible and not fixed in my ideas (except for my values and principles). And yes, I can see myself as moody. I can go from very high to very low moods very easily. However, I'm not sure if I'm unpredictable. I'll have to think more about that... Bettina wrote: I see you as not being so much a teacher to other people as an inspiration. Felicia: Hmmm... I love to share what I learn and I've been told that I am a great teacher, although it is true that I get more comments on being inspirational. I'm just very enthusiastic about my beliefs and what I do, so somehow that becomes contagious and people just naturally want the same thing for themselves, too. I never demand that people change, but they told me that I tend to " influence " changes in them. Bettina wrote; You give the impression of being happy, and probably are. It's as though you seem to have risen above the dreariness of the world. Felicia; Well Bettina, that is a gem of a compliment, since I strive to be happy by finding simple joys in everyday situations. It's good that it shows some...:-) I've just had two rough years where I ended a marriage, lost my home on the hill, dealt with a bout of cancer and chest pain troubles, and faced the fear of leaving my daughter an orphan. But that was an incredible journey of growth where I learned to set myself free from the ego's hold and discovered my more expansive self, the spiritual self. Now, I feel joy every morning when I'm out running at the park, thinking how fortunate I am to have a healthy body to run with, to have good eyes to see the beauty of nature, to have good ears to hear the music of life. I feel joy in sitting on the school bleacher watching my healthy daughter plays lacrosse (Yay! I'm a " soccer mom " , finally!). I feel joy in having friends to share stimulating thoughts and ones who remember to wish me happy birthday. I feel joy in being entrusted with important work in my job and it pays for me and my daughter to have a reasonably comfortable lifestyle. I feel joy in being a driver for my daughter and her friends (even though they don't really want me to hang around) so they can have their simple childhood fun. I feel joy in having a restful sleep knowing that it would renew me for another fulfuling day. I feel joy in being the conductor of love in my family and being well loved and respected by my siblings whom I've helped raise. I feel joy in giving a piece of myself in whatever I do. I feel joy in being able to be a source of comfort for my friends and family who might be in need, and no matter how small my contribution. I feel joy having peace in my heart. But most of all, I feel joy in knowing that I am just a small specticle in this vast universe and that I can learn to get up whenever I fall again. Bettina, Thank you for taking an interest in my chart. I must say this is very much the tropical Aries in me getting satisfaction from having others understand the real me. " I am therefore I am " -- that's what they say about the ram. Blessings, Felicia Bettina <chiria (AT) npgcable (DOT) <chiria%40npgcable.com> com> wrote: Felicia... I finally feel ready to throw out a few observations about your chart: you have 3 planets in Pisces in the natal chart, namely Mars, Sun, and Mercury. In your navamsa, or 9th harmonic chart, you have the Moon in that sign. PLUS, you have Neptune, the modern ruler of Pisces, on your asc. That's quite a strong Neptunian influence. On top of that you have the other ruler of Pisces, Jupiter, on your navamsa asc. You're expansive, you'd like to take in the whole universe at once. You're much more connected to the whole picture than to details. You're impulsive...get an idea in your head about something you want to do, someplace you want to go, some new venture, and you do it without stopping to think about the pros and cons overly much. Other people might look on and wonder if you're using common sense, but that's just not your style. With a strongly angular Venus and navamsa Venus cnj your natal asc you're probably attractive to other people and usually get them to go along with you. You don't like barriers and limitations. That shows up again with your Moon cnj Rahu...Rahu is that indicator of " muchness " . Since they're in Gemini in the 9th, that muchness likely has to do with ecucation, knowledge, deep understanding. You can change your mind or your mood or your direction very suddenly. Your're unpredictable. I see you as not being so much a teacher to other people as an inspiration. You give the impression of being happy, and probably are. It's as though you seem to have risen above the dreariness of the world. ....Bettina _____ @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] On Behalf Of Felicia Hong Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:09 AM @ <%40> Happy in work signature Re: Astrology and Health (was Newbie introduction) >My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work Therese, From the western astrology side, I read somewhere and have seen from my client's charts and my own chart, that a sun in the 5th house is an indicator of a person viewing work as a way of creative self-expression, therefore making work seem more fun than someone with the sun in the 6th house of work. Folks I've seen with 6th house sun tend to be totally " enslaved " by work. Even though they spend a great deal of time with work, work can make them sick or feel over-burdened, instead of giving them pleasure like folks with the 5th house sun. Hope this helps a litte with your reseach... Felicia Therese Hamilton <eastwest (AT) snowcrest (DOT) <eastwest%40snowcrest.net> net> wrote: At 12:20 PM 3/13/08 -0700, Felicia wrote: > > I have been studying western astrology for years, but have only started accepting clients for the past two years. I mostly apply the evolutionary astrology approach to help clients understand their evolutionary path. I also help folks identify career path options, coupling astrology with knowledge from my master's degree in organizational development. Felicia, this is quite a big responsibility. I've never worked with evolutionary astrology, and am not quite sure what it is. It's been discussed on some tropical forums. Career path options is a great way to go if you have a system that works. In this respect, you'll find sidereal rulerships more applicable than the tropical. >(...) One thing that I find most lacking in the books I've read so far is predicting death and health which are of primary concerns to my client base. There is some good information in Ernst Wilhelm's GRAHA SUTRAS on the planetary rulerships of the body's energy and health systems. I didn't know, for example, before studying that book, that Mars has to do with the nervous system because it's a 'hot' planet and related to the flow of electricity throught the body. Wilhelm translates ancient Sanskrit terms that describe the various ways that planets act. Most interesting and helpful. I have a shelf full of Jyotish texts on health and disease with titles like " The Astrological Diagnosis of Diseases, " but have never really studied these books. The Astrology Center of America has translated a few of the older western medical texts. They're quite interesting, but again, I've never really worked with health and disease. http://www.astroame <http://www.astroame <http://www.astroamerica.com/> rica.com/> rica.com/ >>I was told that eastern astrology has a better grasp of this subject. Am I wrong? Well, this is what I am hoping to find out by venturing over to eastern astrology. This site began as a forum for western sidereal astrologers, but they seem to be few and far between compared to newer students of Jyotish. Jyotish seems to have struck a chord in the minds of western astrologers, perhaps because some of the emphasis is similar to tropical astrology. Astrologers always shy away from predicting death, though I've noticed that in solar returns the 4th house generally comes into play, representing an 'ending.' Whereas astrologers can chart the progress of illness with transits and solar returns, becoming specific about health problems really belongs to practicing health professionals. This is why it would be very helpful for astrologers interested in this area to link up with someone in the health field who is sympathetic to astrology. This should really be a joint venture, and could be very productive. I have a book in my library, CASENOTES OF A MEDICAL ASTROLOGER by Dr. Margaret Millard, M.D., who was a personal friend of mine. She left us some years ago, but her book is still here. I have to confess that I'd have to read the book again to remember everything she wrote. It would be helpful to re-draw the charts in the sidereal zodiac. If your interest is in pinpointing health problems, you might want to find a copy of that book--published in 1980 by Samuel Weiser. I haven't checked the internet to see if it's available. My own particular interest is in finding signatures for those who are happy in their work, so that the patterns can be used to counsel parents to help provide the best situtions for their children to prepare for work that would make them happy. So much to study and learn--so little time!! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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