Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Hello. I'm writing a book to summarize my experience, findings and developments in using precession-corrected Solar Returns and a modified version of PSSR's. I had started this book almost a year ago and have now moved onto a more extensive version. I'm at a point where I have gone thru early drafts and have decided to add one more exploratory example: Can a singular event be so dramatic that it changes ones life and attitude toward life such that it essentially acts like a new birth chart? To explore this question I am requesting the following information: 1) Provide your own or a public figures birth date/time/location. 2) Provide the date and nature of the life-altering event. If the event is personal you can contact me via e-mail with the particulars which will be edited as needed for publication. If the information concerns a public figure the information can most likely be found on the Internet. 3) Please note the dates and nature of follow on events that can be compared to both the original natal data and the event-new-birth data. I have the book largely complete. It offers methodologies that were not explored or noted by Siderealists of the mid-late 1900's. I am keeping it highly focused and will include numerous examples. The idea behind this request came from reading the books of Jane Roberts, author of the many " Seth " books, about the nature of the universe and how we create our own reality. In those books Seth notes examples of life-altering events and how they change one's life as if someone was born again. In one small section of the book I want to explore how events might possibly work this way and to share the methods I use. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I expect this material will be finished mid-year or early fall and will probably be shared as an e-book. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Hi, Dave, Your project sounds very interesting. I have all of the Jane Roberts/Seth books and would like to come up to speed on the " life-altering events " Seth mentions. Could you cite the books and page numbers so I could refresh my memory? I was profoundly influenced by Seth and have been very disappointed I rarely see these books mentioned anywhere. Best, Don Ridgway - dadsnook2000 Friday, January 19, 2007 10:03 AM Dave needs some astrological data Hello. I'm writing a book to summarize my experience, findings and developments in using precession-corrected Solar Returns and a modified version of PSSR's. I had started this book almost a year ago and have now moved onto a more extensive version. I'm at a point where I have gone thru early drafts and have decided to add one more exploratory example: Can a singular event be so dramatic that it changes ones life and attitude toward life such that it essentially acts like a new birth chart? To explore this question I am requesting the following information: 1) Provide your own or a public figures birth date/time/location. 2) Provide the date and nature of the life-altering event. If the event is personal you can contact me via e-mail with the particulars which will be edited as needed for publication. If the information concerns a public figure the information can most likely be found on the Internet. 3) Please note the dates and nature of follow on events that can be compared to both the original natal data and the event-new-birth data. I have the book largely complete. It offers methodologies that were not explored or noted by Siderealists of the mid-late 1900's. I am keeping it highly focused and will include numerous examples. The idea behind this request came from reading the books of Jane Roberts, author of the many " Seth " books, about the nature of the universe and how we create our own reality. In those books Seth notes examples of life-altering events and how they change one's life as if someone was born again. In one small section of the book I want to explore how events might possibly work this way and to share the methods I use. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I expect this material will be finished mid-year or early fall and will probably be shared as an e-book. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 , " Scribe " <scribe wrote: Hi, Dave, Your project sounds very interesting. I have all of the Jane Roberts/Seth books and would like to come up to speed on the " life-altering events " Seth mentions. Could you cite the books and page numbers so I could refresh my memory? I was profoundly influenced by Seth and have been very disappointed I rarely see these books mentioned anywhere. Best, Don Ridgway REPLY: Don, the following are notes on some of the Seth books that relate to what I'm doing. Dave The Seth Material and points of interest to Astrologers Afterdeath Journal: page 135. It is not merely as astrolgers say, that we are inserted into life from our own time and space slots when time and space intersect in a way that will never happen again and nevr did before, although that is part of it. Continues . . . Comment: This suggests that we resonate to specific patterns. Which ones in the birth chart do we respond most to? Unknown Reality, Vol 2: page 542 Jane gets an impression: A really complete astrological chart would have to include not only the time of your birth, but that of your death. Seth later comments . . . you are born by degrees . . . (p. 544) The time of your birth is like on small snapshot . . . why do you think that your course can be mapped out ahead of time by reading the positions of the stars at your birth? Comment: Our life's experiences can be shaped or re-shaped at various times. Pages 536 thru 541 also discuss issues relating to astrologers, the environment we perceive, and how life extends over a greater span of time than our birth-to-death span of time. See also pages 551 and 552. Page 557 gives statistical birth-months for class members. As I remember this, this data is significant if plotted in a 4th harmonic. The Nature of the Psyche: Chapter 9, page 142 . . . The chapter talks about dreaming and waking events. Page 147 (bottom) starts a discussion on events, patterns and associative processes. Page 151 talks about cells in the body being aware of planetary motions. Page 155 talks about the conditions for events to occur and be experienced. Page 156 talks about how perceptions and beliefs attract events. Page 169 defines events – also repeated on page 170 – love, purpose, belief and intent (Venus, Merucry, Moon and Sun?). The Seth Material: Chapter Two. Page 25; the York Beach fragments. Rob and Jane, on vacation, see versions of themselves. Rob reacts strongly against them, bringing about a change in their lives. Since he doesn't have a birth time given, I can't do charts on him. Unknown Reality, Vol. 1, page 50. Seth notes that Rob was present at Jane's birth with the sudden awareness of the Universe as an Idea Construction. This occurred as an emergence of a concept that was so fundamental that Jane's whole life became different as a result of it. Comment: Given that I have Jane's birth chart, the time of this realization that the Universe is an Idea Construct, and Jane's death, it is possible to test as to whether Jane's death resonated with her original birth or this new birth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Hi, Dave, Thank you so very much for that information. It is a real pleasure to go through my shelf of Seth books looking for astro info. I haven't time right now to do much but I'd like to share some data with you. I have a chart of Jane Roberts inside of " The Nature of the Psyche. " I don't know if I got her birth data from somewhere in that book, or where but I have Jane Roberts, 5/8/29, 16:59, Saratoga Springs, NY. In " Seth, Dreams and Projections of Consciousness, " p. 15, I found Jane died at 2:08 AM, 9/5/84, Elmira, NY. In " The Way Toward Health, " p. 247, I found Jane and Robert Butts wedding day 12/27/54. And some notes that jumped out at me, from " The Seth Material, " p. 173, " The human being does not...erupt into existence at birth and laboriously then begin its first attempt to gain experience. If this were the case, you would still be back in the Stone Age. In " The Unknown Reality, Vol II, " p. 463, Seth says: " Quite literally, you live more than one life at a time... " It's nice to be reading Seth again. I haven't found any of it to be wrong, but it's hard for me to relate his teachings with the other classic ones, sp. Theosophy. To me, it's that he comes at it from an entirely different " angle. " But I tried to incorporate his teachings in my gestalt of understanding of these matters, though never astrologically. Best Regards, Don Ridgway - dadsnook2000 Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:20 PM Re: Dave needs some astrological data , " Scribe " <scribe wrote: Hi, Dave, Your project sounds very interesting. I have all of the Jane Roberts/Seth books and would like to come up to speed on the " life-altering events " Seth mentions. Could you cite the books and page numbers so I could refresh my memory? I was profoundly influenced by Seth and have been very disappointed I rarely see these books mentioned anywhere. Best, Don Ridgway REPLY: Don, the following are notes on some of the Seth books that relate to what I'm doing. Dave The Seth Material and points of interest to Astrologers Afterdeath Journal: page 135. It is not merely as astrolgers say, that we are inserted into life from our own time and space slots when time and space intersect in a way that will never happen again and nevr did before, although that is part of it. Continues . . . Comment: This suggests that we resonate to specific patterns. Which ones in the birth chart do we respond most to? Unknown Reality, Vol 2: page 542 Jane gets an impression: A really complete astrological chart would have to include not only the time of your birth, but that of your death. Seth later comments . . . you are born by degrees . . . (p. 544) The time of your birth is like on small snapshot . . . why do you think that your course can be mapped out ahead of time by reading the positions of the stars at your birth? Comment: Our life's experiences can be shaped or re-shaped at various times. Pages 536 thru 541 also discuss issues relating to astrologers, the environment we perceive, and how life extends over a greater span of time than our birth-to-death span of time. See also pages 551 and 552. Page 557 gives statistical birth-months for class members. As I remember this, this data is significant if plotted in a 4th harmonic. The Nature of the Psyche: Chapter 9, page 142 . . . The chapter talks about dreaming and waking events. Page 147 (bottom) starts a discussion on events, patterns and associative processes. Page 151 talks about cells in the body being aware of planetary motions. Page 155 talks about the conditions for events to occur and be experienced. Page 156 talks about how perceptions and beliefs attract events. Page 169 defines events - also repeated on page 170 - love, purpose, belief and intent (Venus, Merucry, Moon and Sun?). The Seth Material: Chapter Two. Page 25; the York Beach fragments. Rob and Jane, on vacation, see versions of themselves. Rob reacts strongly against them, bringing about a change in their lives. Since he doesn't have a birth time given, I can't do charts on him. Unknown Reality, Vol. 1, page 50. Seth notes that Rob was present at Jane's birth with the sudden awareness of the Universe as an Idea Construction. This occurred as an emergence of a concept that was so fundamental that Jane's whole life became different as a result of it. Comment: Given that I have Jane's birth chart, the time of this realization that the Universe is an Idea Construct, and Jane's death, it is possible to test as to whether Jane's death resonated with her original birth or this new birth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 , " Scribe " <scribe wrote: I have a chart of Jane Roberts inside of " The Nature of the Psyche. " I don't know if I got her birth data from somewhere in that book, or where but I have Jane Roberts, 5/8/29, 16:59, Saratoga Springs, NY. REPLY: That's interesting. I got a birth time of 8:00pm from a friend who knew a class member and a time of 8:30 from Fran McEvoy, President of the Boston NCGR chapter. I'll have to test your data. I'll enter the other information into my notes. Thank you for that. I have a good friend who moved to Ojai, CA -- he was a Theosophist and we formed and ran an astrology group (about 20+ members) that met every week for seven years. A lot of my early studies and learning came from the energy and synergy of that group. We had professional astrologers lecture frequently but it got to the point where we could name the planets at the angles of a chart before they could post the chart just by knowing what the event was about or who/what the person was known for. I'm using Riyal32 as the software for radix, s/R and PSSR charts, as well as the specialized charts I'm introducing in my book. Do you have that software? In another few months when I have the bulk of the book done I can let you preview it if you wish. It's going to be about 60 to 80 pages. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Hi, Dave, Well, I'm sure you know more about astrology *and* the Seth material than myself, I'm just an amateur and a researcher. I'm still trying to prove it to myself. I'm not familiar with the Ryal32 program. I am also a programmer and have used my own astrology program to help me learn several programming languages, I've rolled it over from CP/M C to DOS C to Windows C++ to Delphi (Windows Pascal), and now C#. It, however, is limited--but pretty accurate--and I'm thinking very seriously about purchasing a Swiss Ephemeris license and rolling their highly accurate program in C over to C# and using that because it has the orbital data for just about everything I think. Years ago I exchanged communications with Robert Butts, but I do not remember if that is where I got Jane's birth date time, but I am always interested in people's data and I probably did ask him for it, but again I don't remember. I have so much packed away but if I run across it I will be sure to let you know. Yes, I would be honored to preview your book. Best, Don - dadsnook2000 Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:20 PM Re: Dave needs some astrological data , " Scribe " <scribe wrote: I have a chart of Jane Roberts inside of " The Nature of the Psyche. " I don't know if I got her birth data from somewhere in that book, or where but I have Jane Roberts, 5/8/29, 16:59, Saratoga Springs, NY. REPLY: That's interesting. I got a birth time of 8:00pm from a friend who knew a class member and a time of 8:30 from Fran McEvoy, President of the Boston NCGR chapter. I'll have to test your data. I'll enter the other information into my notes. Thank you for that. I have a good friend who moved to Ojai, CA -- he was a Theosophist and we formed and ran an astrology group (about 20+ members) that met every week for seven years. A lot of my early studies and learning came from the energy and synergy of that group. We had professional astrologers lecture frequently but it got to the point where we could name the planets at the angles of a chart before they could post the chart just by knowing what the event was about or who/what the person was known for. I'm using Riyal32 as the software for radix, s/R and PSSR charts, as well as the specialized charts I'm introducing in my book. Do you have that software? In another few months when I have the bulk of the book done I can let you preview it if you wish. It's going to be about 60 to 80 pages. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Astro Data Bank has 23 degrees 27 ' for Jane Roberts' birth time. It has an A rating. Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Scribe Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:34 PM Cc: scribe Re: Re: Dave needs some astrological data Hi, Dave, Well, I'm sure you know more about astrology *and* the Seth material than myself, I'm just an amateur and a researcher. I'm still trying to prove it to myself. I'm not familiar with the Ryal32 program. I am also a programmer and have used my own astrology program to help me learn several programming languages, I've rolled it over from CP/M C to DOS C to Windows C++ to Delphi (Windows Pascal), and now C#. It, however, is limited--but pretty accurate--and I'm thinking very seriously about purchasing a Swiss Ephemeris license and rolling their highly accurate program in C over to C# and using that because it has the orbital data for just about everything I think. Years ago I exchanged communications with Robert Butts, but I do not remember if that is where I got Jane's birth date time, but I am always interested in people's data and I probably did ask him for it, but again I don't remember. I have so much packed away but if I run across it I will be sure to let you know. Yes, I would be honored to preview your book. Best, Don - dadsnook2000 @ <%40> Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:20 PM Re: Dave needs some astrological data @ <%40> , " Scribe " <scribe wrote: I have a chart of Jane Roberts inside of " The Nature of the Psyche. " I don't know if I got her birth data from somewhere in that book, or where but I have Jane Roberts, 5/8/29, 16:59, Saratoga Springs, NY. REPLY: That's interesting. I got a birth time of 8:00pm from a friend who knew a class member and a time of 8:30 from Fran McEvoy, President of the Boston NCGR chapter. I'll have to test your data. I'll enter the other information into my notes. Thank you for that. I have a good friend who moved to Ojai, CA -- he was a Theosophist and we formed and ran an astrology group (about 20+ members) that met every week for seven years. A lot of my early studies and learning came from the energy and synergy of that group. We had professional astrologers lecture frequently but it got to the point where we could name the planets at the angles of a chart before they could post the chart just by knowing what the event was about or who/what the person was known for. I'm using Riyal32 as the software for radix, s/R and PSSR charts, as well as the specialized charts I'm introducing in my book. Do you have that software? In another few months when I have the bulk of the book done I can let you preview it if you wish. It's going to be about 60 to 80 pages. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Also according to Astro Data Bank she was born in Albany, NY. Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Scribe Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:34 PM Cc: scribe Re: Re: Dave needs some astrological data Hi, Dave, Well, I'm sure you know more about astrology *and* the Seth material than myself, I'm just an amateur and a researcher. I'm still trying to prove it to myself. I'm not familiar with the Ryal32 program. I am also a programmer and have used my own astrology program to help me learn several programming languages, I've rolled it over from CP/M C to DOS C to Windows C++ to Delphi (Windows Pascal), and now C#. It, however, is limited--but pretty accurate--and I'm thinking very seriously about purchasing a Swiss Ephemeris license and rolling their highly accurate program in C over to C# and using that because it has the orbital data for just about everything I think. Years ago I exchanged communications with Robert Butts, but I do not remember if that is where I got Jane's birth date time, but I am always interested in people's data and I probably did ask him for it, but again I don't remember. I have so much packed away but if I run across it I will be sure to let you know. Yes, I would be honored to preview your book. Best, Don - dadsnook2000 @ <%40> Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:20 PM Re: Dave needs some astrological data @ <%40> , " Scribe " <scribe wrote: I have a chart of Jane Roberts inside of " The Nature of the Psyche. " I don't know if I got her birth data from somewhere in that book, or where but I have Jane Roberts, 5/8/29, 16:59, Saratoga Springs, NY. REPLY: That's interesting. I got a birth time of 8:00pm from a friend who knew a class member and a time of 8:30 from Fran McEvoy, President of the Boston NCGR chapter. I'll have to test your data. I'll enter the other information into my notes. Thank you for that. I have a good friend who moved to Ojai, CA -- he was a Theosophist and we formed and ran an astrology group (about 20+ members) that met every week for seven years. A lot of my early studies and learning came from the energy and synergy of that group. We had professional astrologers lecture frequently but it got to the point where we could name the planets at the angles of a chart before they could post the chart just by knowing what the event was about or who/what the person was known for. I'm using Riyal32 as the software for radix, s/R and PSSR charts, as well as the specialized charts I'm introducing in my book. Do you have that software? In another few months when I have the bulk of the book done I can let you preview it if you wish. It's going to be about 60 to 80 pages. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Sorry, I didn't mean 23 degrees 27, I meant that the time was 23:27. Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Bettina Woolard Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:51 PM RE: Re: Dave needs some astrological data Also according to Astro Data Bank she was born in Albany, NY. Bettina _____ @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] On Behalf Of Scribe Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:34 PM @ <%40> Cc: scribe Re: Re: Dave needs some astrological data Hi, Dave, Well, I'm sure you know more about astrology *and* the Seth material than myself, I'm just an amateur and a researcher. I'm still trying to prove it to myself. I'm not familiar with the Ryal32 program. I am also a programmer and have used my own astrology program to help me learn several programming languages, I've rolled it over from CP/M C to DOS C to Windows C++ to Delphi (Windows Pascal), and now C#. It, however, is limited--but pretty accurate--and I'm thinking very seriously about purchasing a Swiss Ephemeris license and rolling their highly accurate program in C over to C# and using that because it has the orbital data for just about everything I think. Years ago I exchanged communications with Robert Butts, but I do not remember if that is where I got Jane's birth date time, but I am always interested in people's data and I probably did ask him for it, but again I don't remember. I have so much packed away but if I run across it I will be sure to let you know. Yes, I would be honored to preview your book. Best, Don - dadsnook2000 @ <%40> Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:20 PM Re: Dave needs some astrological data @ <%40> , " Scribe " <scribe wrote: I have a chart of Jane Roberts inside of " The Nature of the Psyche. " I don't know if I got her birth data from somewhere in that book, or where but I have Jane Roberts, 5/8/29, 16:59, Saratoga Springs, NY. REPLY: That's interesting. I got a birth time of 8:00pm from a friend who knew a class member and a time of 8:30 from Fran McEvoy, President of the Boston NCGR chapter. I'll have to test your data. I'll enter the other information into my notes. Thank you for that. I have a good friend who moved to Ojai, CA -- he was a Theosophist and we formed and ran an astrology group (about 20+ members) that met every week for seven years. A lot of my early studies and learning came from the energy and synergy of that group. We had professional astrologers lecture frequently but it got to the point where we could name the planets at the angles of a chart before they could post the chart just by knowing what the event was about or who/what the person was known for. I'm using Riyal32 as the software for radix, s/R and PSSR charts, as well as the specialized charts I'm introducing in my book. Do you have that software? In another few months when I have the bulk of the book done I can let you preview it if you wish. It's going to be about 60 to 80 pages. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 , " Bettina Woolard " <chiria wrote: > Bettina, thank you for your input. I've been using a time of 11:30, three minutes later based on the " about 11:30 " and " 11:20 to 11:35 " times cited earlier. Saratoga Springs is about two/three towns north of Albany, so I'm not sure if " Albany " was cited because it's the nearest large town/city and easy to find on a map, or whatever. In any case I cast the birth chart for Saratoga Springs. It's quite a ways from there to Elmira where Jane Roberts lived and worked for the bulk of her time on the Seth books. Right now I'm testing the working of the natal chart relative to other events versus the " Idea Construction " cognitive event which Seth claimed as having changed her life and represented a new birth. Using that event as a birth event, I'm testing that against the natal chart for working effectiveness. Thank you. Dave > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bettina Woolard > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:51 PM > > RE: Re: Dave needs some astrological data > > > > Also according to Astro Data Bank she was born in Albany, NY. > > Bettina > > _____ > > @ <%40> > > [@ <%40> > ] On Behalf Of Scribe > Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:34 PM > @ <%40> > > Cc: scribe > Re: Re: Dave needs some astrological data > > Hi, Dave, > Well, I'm sure you know more about astrology *and* the Seth material than > myself, I'm just an amateur and a researcher. I'm still trying to prove it > to myself. I'm not familiar with the Ryal32 program. I am also a > programmer and have used my own astrology program to help me learn several > programming languages, I've rolled it over from CP/M C to DOS C to Windows > C++ to Delphi (Windows Pascal), and now C#. It, however, is limited--but > pretty accurate--and I'm thinking very seriously about purchasing a Swiss > Ephemeris license and rolling their highly accurate program in C over to C# > and using that because it has the orbital data for just about everything I > think. Years ago I exchanged communications with Robert Butts, but I do not > remember if that is where I got Jane's birth date time, but I am always > interested in people's data and I probably did ask him for it, but again I > don't remember. I have so much packed away but if I run across it I will be > sure to let you know. Yes, I would be honored to preview your book. > Best, > Don > > - > dadsnook2000 > @ <%40> > > Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:20 PM > Re: Dave needs some astrological data > > @ <%40> > , " Scribe " <scribe@> > wrote: I have a chart of Jane Roberts inside of " The Nature of the > Psyche. " I don't know if I got her birth data from somewhere in that > book, or where but I have Jane Roberts, 5/8/29, 16:59, Saratoga > Springs, NY. > > REPLY: > > That's interesting. I got a birth time of 8:00pm from a friend who > knew a class member and a time of 8:30 from Fran McEvoy, President of > the Boston NCGR chapter. I'll have to test your data. > > I'll enter the other information into my notes. Thank you for that. > > I have a good friend who moved to Ojai, CA -- he was a Theosophist and > we formed and ran an astrology group (about 20+ members) that met > every week for seven years. A lot of my early studies and learning > came from the energy and synergy of that group. We had professional > astrologers lecture frequently but it got to the point where we could > name the planets at the angles of a chart before they could post the > chart just by knowing what the event was about or who/what the person > was known for. > > I'm using Riyal32 as the software for radix, s/R and PSSR charts, as > well as the specialized charts I'm introducing in my book. Do you > have that software? In another few months when I have the bulk of the > book done I can let you preview it if you wish. It's going to be > about 60 to 80 pages. Dave > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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