Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 At 11:14 AM 12/14/06 -0500, Chris wrote: >Hi Patrice, > >I wasn't aware of the Muslim origin of the tropical zodiac. What evidence >is there to support your contention that the Greeks used the sidereal >zodiac? I think the fact that the zodiacs were very close together in those >days has made this question difficult to answer definitively. Hi Chris and Patrice, I'll interrupt with a note here. Neugebauer (Greek Horoscopes) states that Valens used a sidereal zodiac (based on the calculated horoscopes), but otherwise there was a lot of zodiac confusion back then. For anyone who can afford the books, Robert Schmidt's new Astrologers' series might do a lot to clear up the confusion. We do know definitely that the sidereal zodiac was used in Mesopotamia. Masha'allah (762-815 C.E.) (On Reception, etc.) also used a sidereal zodiac, quite close to Raman's. As a matter of fact, Masha'allah may be the original source of the Raman zodiac. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Hello, Happy new year everyone! , therese hamilton <eastwest wrote: > > At 11:14 AM 12/14/06 -0500, Chris wrote: > >Hi Patrice, > > > >I wasn't aware of the Muslim origin of the tropical zodiac. What evidence > >is there to support your contention that the Greeks used the sidereal > >zodiac? I think the fact that the zodiacs were very close together in those > >days has made this question difficult to answer definitively. > > Hi Chris and Patrice, > > I'll interrupt with a note here. Neugebauer (Greek Horoscopes) states that > Valens used a sidereal zodiac (based on the calculated horoscopes), but > otherwise there was a lot of zodiac confusion back then. For anyone who can > afford the books, Robert Schmidt's new Astrologers' series might do a lot > to clear up the confusion. We do know definitely that the sidereal zodiac > was used in Mesopotamia. > > Masha'allah (762-815 C.E.) (On Reception, etc.) also used a sidereal > zodiac, quite close to Raman's. As a matter of fact, Masha'allah may be the > original source of the Raman zodiac. After our demand for a scan, it appears that Patrice will not provide it. Unfortunately this man is very controversial in French, has been evicted from few lists, arguing and saying tropical is either false or [probably " bad " ] muslim zodiac, etc. I do not know why he will not answer sample honest questions. Anyway... Terese, I think you cleared up this question with Masha'allah and Valens. I wonder if their zodiac has something to do with the polar longitude of Spica. Does Masha'allah's book gives longitude? -- Regards, François Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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