Sky Programs/Junction Stars

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Julia, I found a clear explanation of Junction Stars in Surya Siddhanta:

 

" The stars of which the text...defines the positions do not, in most cases,

by themselves alone, constitute the asterisms (nakshatra); they are only

the principal members of the several groups of stars--each in the

calculation of conjunctions (yoga) between the planets and the

asterisms...representing its group, and therefor called...the junction star

of the asterism. " (p. 207)

 

So the term refers to the conjunction of planets to the primary stars of

the asterisms. I was going to photocopy some pages of SS for you, but my

copier decided to quit with a crash. Now I have to find a repair person.

>...I can probably coax it into PDF format or something else that works.

>What I have includes:

>...

>(3) listing of over 40 " grand convergences " by julian date, calendar

>date, span in degrees, constellations, etc. I checked these out on

> " Home Planet " and " The Sky " software...

 

This would be my interest. Only 40 dates may be able to be printed out? I

recently purchased Neil Michelsen's 'Tables of Planetary Phenomena' and

discovered it has a listing of 5 or more planets within 20 degrees from

1700 to 2050. I have yet to check the dates against events. I have the

'Timetables of History' and a book on the Millenium. Ah...too few hours in

the day!

 

I love my astronomy programs, too. I like Sky Map because of the way the

graphics are done, and you can keep the ecliptic grid on the screen. I like

to visually see how far a star is from the ecliptic.

 

>Also played around with calculations on possible marker stars having

>very small proper motions in the ecliptic longitude component.

>Interestingly, Lambda Aquarii (Satabhisha) is a very good one, moving

>only about 1 " of arc per 130 years. The most " stable " of all stars

>near the Ecliptic is Pi Sagittarii, with a 1 " shift per 3000 years.

 

Interesting...

 

>These " grand conjunctions " all

>involve a Jupiter-Saturn conjunction, but with the other five visible

>lights thrown is as well (e.g. February 5, 1962, in a 17º wide

>stellium in Capricorn). I remember that one mentioned in newspapers

>back then. On May 3, 2000, all 7 were within a 26º span in Aries. I

>think that the last time two such events were so close in time was in

>the 1st century ... visually stunning at sunset or pre-dawn.

 

I remember that one at sunset.

 

>That's certainly interesting! I tend to think of Rahu and Ketu as

>something like stand-ins for Uranus and Neptune, respectively, though

>maybe the analogy is not so good.

 

Our minds certainly run in the similar grooves! I've used them like this

for a long time, but I've been pairing Rahu/Neptune and Ketu/Uranus. Ketu

can be psychically weird like Uranus, and Neptune is a great deal more

active ('out there') than its given credit for. Both Rahu and Neptune

expand, but Ketu contracts, and Uranus can be depressive. (I think the

Indian Rahu-Saturn and Ketu-Mars is probably wrong.)

 

>It's really valuable to note the

>observed attributes of people in sidereal signs, and it may show more

>explicitly when sun and moon are conjunct. Venus rules ascendant, sun,

>and moon in my case and kind of makes for a textbook picture in a few

>ways. The sun in its 'fall' in Libra makes a lot of sense in that it

>does seem that my energy levels are markedly " below average " and that

>partnership makes worlds of difference in actually getting much

>accomplished. My companion of many years is ALSO sun+moon in sidereal

>Libra but with Sagittarius rising.

 

Fascinating!! I also find I function better in partnership (that is,

husband). I never did understand why Tropical Scorpio (same area of the sky

as sidereal Libra) was called a sign of power. It really has very little

power of its own, and depends on partners for an identity of sorts. But my

Pluto and planets in Aries are pointing me in a more autonomous direction.

A lifelong Aries-Libra struggle.

 

How does that work??? A partner with Sun/Moon in Libra also? Can you share

your companion's birth data?

 

>Anne Wright's site is really excellent; she presents much from Allen

>(more history and general lore) and Robson, but with other opinions to

>balance.

 

I like her material because she includes all the authors, so I don't have

to drag out several books to check on a star's supposed meaning. That's why

I printed out all her star pages. (I think that we most likely have to

re-do most of the star meanings, however.)

 

The astronomical software is probably the easiest way to

>follow planetary positions amid stars. " Home Planet " is a free

>download.

 

I have SkyMap Lite (love it!) and Starry Night Backyard. Parashara's Light

recently gave a visually stunning sky program for free with a software

upgrade. It doesn't do what the other programs do, but it's beautiful to

look at--stunning art work of the constellations. Stellarium. Starry Night

(I have an old version--has artwork for the constellations so you can see

exactly where a star is in the figure.)

 

>Well yes, triple digits began with May ... near sea level mostly.

 

Way too hot for me! Anything above 75 and I'm uncomfortable.

 

>Happily the Web is bringing the 'global village' to reality. Maybe we

>can chat by phone sometime.

 

I like Messenger so I can save conversations. But one has to be a

reasonably fast typist to use Messenger. I tend to forget phone

conversations--something to do with not taking in data through hearing. My

hearing is ultra-sensitive, and my brain seems to close down after about 10

minutes of any kind of input. Can rarely listen to music anymore. I was on

a forum recently, and a number of members had the same complaint--some talk

about 'higher vibrations' around us.

 

>Sending you good wishes for happiness & health!

 

The same to you! I hope we can share some of our star research in the

future. Right now I'm interested in current events and comparing them with

the planets that conjoin stars. But I need to take two days to clear my

office before I do more.

 

Blessings,

 

Therese

[Guest guest]

Ah, that does clear the mystery ... I remember seeing a site that

designated certain stars as " yogatara " (?) so from context, R.H. Allen

got the wrong idea of the meaning of this term. Now it makes sense to

consider that the yogatara stars are the focus for consideration of

conjunctions, and maybe nakshatras as 27 equal compartments when

looking at placement of the moon. Swati, as the star Arcturus, need

not necessarily reside within Swati, the nakshatra.

 

, therese hamilton

<eastwest wrote:

>

> Julia, I found a clear explanation of Junction Stars in Surya

Siddhanta ...

 

re listing of over 40 " grand convergences " by julian date, calendar

date, span in degrees, constellations ...:

 

> This would be my interest. Only 40 dates may be able to be printed

out? I recently purchased Neil Michelsen's 'Tables of Planetary

Phenomena' and discovered it has a listing of 5 or more planets within

20 degrees from 1700 to 2050. I have yet to check the dates against

events.

 

I've only 40 or so in the period ranging from 4296 BCE to 4106 CE

because of the constraint of adding in a sun/moon conjunction with the

stellium of five planets, plus, with few exceptions, considering a

span of 30º or less. If limited to 20º, I have only seven dates in the

period of 8400 years! No doubt I'm missing a couple, so the list is

slowly growing as additional ones are found. The tightest grand

conjunction on the list is 11º, for September 15, 1186 (JD 2154502.1).

The scholars of Notre Dame in Paris expressed worried about possible

effects at the time.

 

> I love my astronomy programs, too. I like Sky Map because of the way

the graphics are done, and you can keep the ecliptic grid on the

screen...

 

I'll look for it, thanks!

 

> I've used them [Rahu & Ketu]like this for a long time, but I've been

pairing Rahu/Neptune and Ketu/Uranus. Ketu can be psychically weird

like Uranus, and Neptune is a great deal more active ('out there')

than its given credit for. Both Rahu and Neptune expand, but Ketu

contracts, and Uranus can be depressive. (I think the Indian Rahu-

Saturn and Ketu-Mars is probably wrong.)

 

You're right, the expansion/contraction parallel is much more to the

point. I've seen exaltation points for Rahu and Ketu given as 3º of

Gemini and Sagittarius. That would be very close to the points where

the plane of the Milky Way crosses the ecliptic!

 

 

> How does that work??? A partner with Sun/Moon in Libra also? Can you

share your companion's birth data?

 

Yes, it's November 10, 1958, Joliet, Illinois, birth time is guessed

to be 10:06 local (16:06 GMT) but the accuracy of that time is

uncertain. House positions look very reasonable with it though.

>

> >Anne Wright's " Fixed Stars " site:

> I printed out all her star pages. (I think that we most likely have

to re-do most of the star meanings, however.)

 

Yes, particularly Robson sounds very negative, as in the worst case

scenario. Bernadette Brady's keyword phrases are more neutral valued

and descriptive. Her work with whole-sky " parans " is truly of

interest. I've been tempted to buy the " Starlight " software that

searches out and lists all the parans --- rather cumbersome to try

with general astronomy programs.

>

Bright Blessings,

 

Julia