Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 At 07:42 AM 3/26/06 -0800, Chris wrote: >Sagittarian traits are in the eye of the beholder. ....Or in the eye of family members if they all agree (as is the case in my family). I've never met Steve and can only respond to the tone of his posts. I do know that my Virgo/Libra traits ruffle Sagittarian feathers. One of my daughters absolutely couldn't stand what she called 'the embodiment of change' (me) and moved out of the house. It's interesting that Libra and Sag are sextile to each other, which in western astrology is supposed to be at least a mildly benefic relationship. But the sextile aspect belongs to Saturn in Jyotish, and from observation at least some signs in sextile to each other seem to be living in two very different worlds. It's intersting that Venus is an enemy to Jupiter in Jyotish, which may be one reason Chakrapani told me my (then) 28 year marriage wouldn't last. He actually didn't believe me when I said I'd been married that long (and continued to the present). My husband's chart has Jupiter with the Moon on the ascendant, and I have Venus-Neptune in partile square (from 10th) to the ascendant, plus my Libran planets. Yes, I know from experience that Jupiter and Venus live in different worlds. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Really? What is the reason for that? Andi - " therese92003 " <eastwest Sunday, March 26, 2006 11:47 AM Jyotish on Venus and Jupiter > > It's intersting that Venus is an enemy to Jupiter in Jyotish, > > Therese > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Still waiting for the answer... Andi Tobin <stardancer écrivit: > Really? What is the reason for that? > > Andi > > > - > " therese92003 " <eastwest > > Sunday, March 26, 2006 11:47 AM > Jyotish on Venus and Jupiter > > >> >> It's intersting that Venus is an enemy to Jupiter in Jyotish, > >> Therese >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 , " Andi Tobin " <stardancer wrote: > > Really? What is the reason for that? [Venus is an enemy to Jupiter in Jyotish] Hi Andi, It has to do with India's philosphy that Jupiter represents higher spiritual ideals or the life style of the priest while Venus is a planet of the senses and attachment. That's the theory, although in the actual horoscopes of people Venus and Jupiter can act in different ways. Jupiter is often prominent in the charts of criminals, probably because it can give the confidence to act against society. ( " The way I see it is the right way. Society be damned. " ) Venus can also have different expressions depending on sign, house and aspect. My Venus-Neptune never got it together for the physical plane in general. The inner world is more real than the outer world. I honestly can't *wait* to get rid of the physical body. (It's been said that Libra is very comfortable with death.) If you take the signs of Venus and Jupiter: Taurus is in quincunx (inharmonious) aspect to Sagittarius. Libra is in quincunx relationship with Pisces. Then if you take Saturn: Libra is trine one of Saturn's signs, and Saturn is exalted in Libra. (Saturn and Venus are said to be friends.) Taurus is trine one of Saturn's signs, Capricorn. Jupiter in turn is friendly to Mars (Sag trine Aries) and the Sun (Sag trine Leo). All 'masculine' planets. This is the most masculine of the trigons (triplicities). A lot of this goes back to Hellenistic astrology in the west which greatly influenced Jyotish. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 I am a Libra (both trop and sidereal) with a Venus Jupiter conjunction. I can see Jupiter being called arrogant, but I think it depends on the rest of the chart how much 'arrogance' plays out in a negative or positive way. And probably societies differ in their assessments. Mars is seen as combative under all circumstances for someone who believes in passivity and trying to keep the peace, whereas perhaps a king trying to win freedom for his people sees Mars as a friend to help his cause. Now if you were to call me an idealist and individualist, then yes I am that. As for marriage and Libra going hand in hand, yes they do. I've been married three times, lol. I've always thought there were two sides to society. Jupiter and Saturn. Some people are one extreme or the other, and most fall somewhere in between. I wonder if it's Uranus that makes us go to one extreme or the other. I'd have to say Uranus, because it is in an exact semi square to my Jupiter, and Venus falls at the exact midpoint of my Sun and Uranus. I consider myself a lot more Sagittarian and Jupiter than Saturn, but not a criminal, just because I enjoy security in freedom, rather than structure. That's not to say structure isn't useful, because it's needed. You have to have rules, but I think it's the sense of stagnation and the need for change (that is natural), and is what Jupiter vibrates to. Jupiter creates, and Saturn builds the base for it to stand on, until the cycle repeats. Andi - " therese92003 " <eastwest Sunday, March 26, 2006 1:32 PM Re: Jyotish on Venus and Jupiter > , " Andi Tobin " > <stardancer wrote: >> >> Really? What is the reason for that? [Venus is an enemy to Jupiter > in Jyotish] > > Hi Andi, > > It has to do with India's philosphy that Jupiter represents higher > spiritual ideals or the life style of the priest while Venus is a > planet of the senses and attachment. > > That's the theory, although in the actual horoscopes of people Venus > and Jupiter can act in different ways. Jupiter is often prominent in > the charts of criminals, probably because it can give the confidence > to act against society. ( " The way I see it is the right way. Society > be damned. " ) Venus can also have different expressions depending on > sign, house and aspect. My Venus-Neptune never got it together for > the physical plane in general. The inner world is more real than the > outer world. I honestly can't *wait* to get rid of the physical body. > (It's been said that Libra is very comfortable with death.) > > If you take the signs of Venus and Jupiter: Taurus is in quincunx > (inharmonious) aspect to Sagittarius. Libra is in quincunx > relationship with Pisces. Then if you take Saturn: Libra is trine one > of Saturn's signs, and Saturn is exalted in Libra. (Saturn and Venus > are said to be friends.) Taurus is trine one of Saturn's signs, > Capricorn. > > Jupiter in turn is friendly to Mars (Sag trine Aries) and the Sun > (Sag trine Leo). All 'masculine' planets. This is the most masculine > of the trigons (triplicities). > > A lot of this goes back to Hellenistic astrology in the west which > greatly influenced Jyotish. > > Therese > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 At 02:20 PM 3/26/06 -0600, Andi wrote: >I am a Libra (both trop and sidereal) with a Venus Jupiter conjunction. I can see Jupiter being called arrogant, but I think it depends on the rest of the chart how much 'arrogance' plays out in a negative or positive way... Hi Andi, One of the big problems with astrology is that each planet has so many possible avenues of expression. This is why astrologers so often miss on blind readings. I agree that Uranus is the planet that takes us to extremes. It's interesting that you have Venus with Jupiter in Libra (three marriages) since Jyotish sees these planets as enemies, and in India marriage is considered sacred and lasting for life. Thanks for the comments on your chart! Do you want to post your birth data? Therese Andi wrote: >And probably societies differ in their assessments. Mars is seen as combative >under all circumstances for someone who believes in passivity and trying to >keep the peace, whereas perhaps a king trying to win freedom for his people >sees Mars as a friend to help his cause. > >Now if you were to call me an idealist and individualist, then yes I am >that. As for marriage and Libra going hand in hand, yes they do. I've been >married three times, lol. I've always thought there were two sides to >society. Jupiter and Saturn. Some people are one extreme or the other, and >most fall somewhere in between. I wonder if it's Uranus that makes us go to >one extreme or the other. I'd have to say Uranus, because it is in an exact >semi square to my Jupiter, and Venus falls at the exact midpoint of my Sun >and Uranus. I consider myself a lot more Sagittarian and Jupiter than >Saturn, but not a criminal, just because I enjoy security in freedom, rather >than structure. That's not to say structure isn't useful, because it's >needed. You have to have rules, but I think it's the sense of stagnation and >the need for change (that is natural), and is what Jupiter vibrates to. >Jupiter creates, and Saturn builds the base for it to stand on, until the >cycle repeats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Ooops, I have Venus and Jupiter in Virgo tropical, and in Leo sidereal, sorry for the confusion. Where do I post my birth data? Is there a file for that? Andi - " therese92003 " <eastwest Sunday, March 26, 2006 3:23 PM Re: Jyotish on Venus and Jupiter > At 02:20 PM 3/26/06 -0600, Andi wrote: > >>I am a Libra (both trop and sidereal) with a Venus Jupiter > conjunction. I can see Jupiter being called arrogant, but I think it > depends on the rest of the chart how much 'arrogance' plays out in a > negative or positive way... > > Hi Andi, > > One of the big problems with astrology is that each planet has so > many possible avenues of expression. This is why astrologers so often > miss on blind readings. I agree that Uranus is the planet that takes > us to extremes. > > It's interesting that you have Venus with Jupiter in Libra (three > marriages) since Jyotish sees these planets as enemies, and in India > marriage is considered sacred and lasting for life. > > Thanks for the comments on your chart! Do you want to post your birth > data? > > Therese > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 You can post it here, Andi, right on the list. >Andi wrote: >Where do I post my birth data? Is there a file for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 October 21, 1956 Des Moines Iowa 5:26 am - " therese hamilton " <eastwest Sunday, March 26, 2006 5:10 PM Re: Jyotish on Venus and Jupiter > You can post it here, Andi, right on the list. > >>Andi wrote: >>Where do I post my birth data? Is there a file for that? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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