Saturn/Sidereal-Tropical signs

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At 12:47 PM 3/22/06 -0000, Bliss wrote:

>Hi All,

>Read this interesting discussion about Saturn. I read the files in

>the links section and they seem to invert the tropical take on Sag

>and Cap and therefore of Jup and Saturn.

>

>Just so we are on the same page, I wanted to mention those here and

>know if everyone else also believes in the same interprets.

>

>The sidereal Sag as per the Fagan from Links file,has totally taken

>the traits of the traditional tropical Cap: wordly ambitious,

>adhering to the rules of the society, disciplined etc...

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Bliss, you have asked a ton of questions, and this morning I only

have time to give a brief reply. I'll try to reply in detail later

today. The explanation of this confusion is very simple, and I seem

to be the only one I'm aware of who follows Fagan and his

contemporaries on this matter.

 

A very simple explanation is there if you look at any map of the sky

with the tropical and sidereal signs marked on the ecliptic. You see

that any tropical sign is in the same area of the sky as the

preceding sidereal sign except for a few overlapping degrees. One

part of the sky (ecliptic)can have only *one* sign influence. The

question then becomes, " Are the traits of Tropical Capricorn (which

is in the same area of the sky as sidereal Sagittarius) more like

Jupiter or Saturn?

 

Fagan and others, myself included, have concluded that the traits are

more like Jupiter. Therefore (*BIG* statement by Fagan...) there is

*NO* Tropical zodiac. All we're seeing is the bleedthrough of the

ever existing sidereal signs. (more on this in a future post)

 

>Theresa, I also have a question about Saturn in Asc in Gem that your

>friend has. There seem to be two takes on it.

>One is the 'fear' of learning...

 

I know my friend disliked school, but she did get a four year college

degree, and her dad was a language professor at a univesity. I've

noted that her Saturn acts like a traditional Saturn (before 20th

century psychological astrology). She is often looked down upon by

others as a 'servant' type of person, though she's very intelligent.

She greatly dislikes status, and is very conservative in that she

spends as little money as possible and likes total simplicity in her

life style. She's often said she'd like to live in a small RV in a

community in the woods.

 

Your post is one reason I like to see new students of sidereal

astrology on this forum. You force us all to examine the basics and

how we work. I'll repond in more detail to your post later today as

time allows. Thank, you, Bliss, for these questions.

 

Therese