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Hey Folks,

 

Here's my second chart. People can be free to do the first one, but since it's

on ADB (thanks for the heads up, Steve), I figured not to dwell on it too long.

 

So this is one from my files that may be of interest. The data is solid, based

on family documentation. And since they take astrology fairly seriously in

Thailand, you can be sure that the birth time was noted with some assiduity.

 

June 11 1966 11.45 am Bangkok, Thailand

 

Asc 17 Leo

 

I've known this person fairly well, so I can answer different kinds of questions

including education, career, family, personality, etc.

 

bon appetit,

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Hi Chris,

 

Is this person male or female?

 

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

 

 

 

Christopher Kevill wrote:

 

>Hey Folks,

>

>Here's my second chart. People can be free to do the first one, but since it's

on ADB (thanks for the heads up, Steve), I figured not to dwell on it too long.

>

>So this is one from my files that may be of interest. The data is solid, based

on family documentation. And since they take astrology fairly seriously in

Thailand, you can be sure that the birth time was noted with some assiduity.

>

>June 11 1966 11.45 am Bangkok, Thailand

>

>Asc 17 Leo

>

>I've known this person fairly well, so I can answer different kinds of

questions including education, career, family, personality, etc.

>

>bon appetit,

>Chris

>

>

>

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Steve

 

This person is female.

 

 

Steven Stuckey <shastra wrote: Hi Chris,

 

Is this person male or female?

 

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

 

 

 

Christopher Kevill wrote:

 

>Hey Folks,

>

>Here's my second chart. People can be free to do the first one, but since

it's on ADB (thanks for the heads up, Steve), I figured not to dwell on it too

long.

>

>So this is one from my files that may be of interest. The data is solid, based

on family documentation. And since they take astrology fairly seriously in

Thailand, you can be sure that the birth time was noted with some assiduity.

>

>June 11 1966 11.45 am Bangkok, Thailand

>

>Asc 17 Leo

>

>I've known this person fairly well, so I can answer different kinds of

questions including education, career, family, personality, etc.

>

>bon appetit,

>Chris

>

>

>

> Mail

>Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

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Christopher Kevill wrote:

 

>Hey Folks,

>

>Here's my second chart. People can be free to do the first one, but since it's

on ADB (thanks for the heads up, Steve), I figured not to dwell on it too long.

>

>So this is one from my files that may be of interest. The data is solid, based

on family documentation. And since they take astrology fairly seriously in

Thailand, you can be sure that the birth time was noted with some assiduity.

>

>June 11 1966 11.45 am Bangkok, Thailand

>

>

>

 

 

Hi Chris,

 

To make it simple at first, I thought I would list a few observations

without explanation (although I have a more detailed reply listing my

reasons that I can put out later). Often things get lost in translation

when trying to make points with planets.

 

1. A noticeably unusual personality, unconventional, freedom loving,

unique etc.

2. A complex emotional life, distant, detached, changeable and hard to

access. Will strongly resist any attempts to control or coerce.

3. Knowledgeable, educated and well read--may have a liking for

classical literature

4. Teaching and counseling skills, a good advisor

5. May have never married or had an early and unsuccessful marriage-- a

possibility of many relationships

6. Friends and partners amongst foreigners, educated and spiritual persons

7. Possibly no children--but if a teacher,will have students instead

8. Very passionate and creative person

9. May have very good athletic abilities that could include gymnastics,

dancing, running and martial arts

10. Somewhat undisciplined and unorganized but successful nevertheless

11. Good earning abilities from teaching, advising, investments, sales,

athletics etc

12. A good cook

13. A nudist (in private)--:>))

 

Best,

 

Steve

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Christopher Kevill <ckevill écrivit:

 

> Well, it seems things have taken a turn for the worse here. Steve

> Stuckey has left the list over a dispute with Therese, the moderator.

 

Shit... :-(

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Francois,

 

Oui, c'est dommage.

 

For the time being, I think you can find Steve on:

 

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If you're sending an email, I believe it would be

physics_of_-

 

 

If you have questions about this chart delineation, you can probably pursue them

there with him.

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

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> Well, it seems things have taken a turn for the worse here. Steve

> Stuckey has left the list over a dispute with Therese, the moderator.

 

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I figured I would follow up Steve's chart assessment with the astrological

rationale he composed and sent to me off-list a few days ago. It's definitely

worth reading and appears below. I have interspersed my own comments at various

places.

 

If you want to follow up on any of these points, I would suggest contacting

Steve privately or perhaps going to the " physics of sidereal astrology "

.

 

I am still happy to discuss any other matters to do with this chart.

 

regards,

Chris

_______________

 

Chris.

 

Here's my original draft on this that I felt was too lengthy and perhaps too

confusing to send initially. I am sending this along to you personally, since I

am no longer d to the list ( as you may know by now)

If you think this would be relevant to the discussion, and if it is not a total

waste of time (due to too many 'misses'), then feel free to put this out to the

group as my final parting post. I will, of course not be answering any questions

on these ideas to the group.

 

Best wishes,

 

Steve

 

 

 

Christopher Kevill wrote:

 

So this is one from my files that may be of interest. The data is solid, based

on family documentation. And since they take astrology fairly seriously in

Thailand, you can be sure that the birth time was noted with some assiduity.

 

June 11 1966 11.45 am Bangkok, Thailand

 

Asc 17 Leo

 

I've known this person fairly well, so I can answer different kinds of questions

including education, career, family, personality, etc.

 

 

 

Hi Chris,

 

The first thing I notice about this chart, is birth at a quarter Moon and both

luminaries configured closely with the Uranus/Pluto conjunction (which is

rising). This might give an unusual or unique appearance, unconventional dress,

and distinct eccentricities of character by way of Uranus along with a certain

distance, aloofness and separateness that comes with Pluto.

 

[ck -- yes she is somewhat unconventional although by no means a strange or

weird person.]

 

The Moon in the 7th often gives a multiplicity of relationships, by the nature

of its quick movement. The Aquarian Moon opposite Pluto gives a fairly detached

nature and the Uranian factor adds to this a strong insistence for independence

and freedom. Moon here is also moving toward a conjunction with Saturn. She is

therefore a very complex emotional person, given to changeable moods, and not

always very easy to access.

 

Add to this: the Moon is the ruler of the 12th in the 7th, the ruler of the 7th

(Saturn) occupies the 8th in a semisquare to Venus, Uranus/Pluto are 7th from

the Moon and receiving a close square form Mars, Neptune aspects closely both

Sun and Moon and widely opposes Venus, Venus occupies Virgo in the navamsa

chart, and ruler of the 7th house in navamsa occupies the 6th and receives the

aspect of Saturn. Additionally, Jupiter and Venus aspect the 7th cusp closely by

trine and sextile respectively.

 

The above equates in my mind then to either no marriage, or perhaps one

marriage that has not turned out well, and then a subsequent series of

relationships. Freedom and autonomy may outweigh the need for long term

cooperation. Moon/Pluto's do better in relationship by having plenty of alone

time. Having a separate residence from the spouse or partner along with plenty

of space, may give this person a chance to have a longer lasting relationship..

 

[ck her marriage to a foreigner -- the 12th ruler in the 7th perhaps -- was

short-lived and lasted less than 10 years. He was also well-educated and

successful]

 

She will tend to attract foreign or spiritual partners (lord of 12 in 7) and

always more liberal and eccentric type persons and her relationships in general

are with good quality persons--this due to the aspects of both Jupiter and Venus

to her 7th house cusp. She will also have friends amongst educated and

knowledgeable persons (Merc/Jupiter in 11th house from Ascendant and 5th house

from Moon).

 

 

 

The second thing I notice is Mars at the MC in conjunction to the 1st magnitude

star Aldebaran.

Mars closely aspects the ascendant as well. Mars is not in close combustion,

while being at 0 latitude and also in parallel to the Sun. Mars also squares the

Uranus/Pluto, is in a mutual reception with Venus (causing an exchange between

the 9th and 10th lords), is yogakaraka for Leo rising, and occupies Taurus

navamsa (making it vargotama).

 

This will probably give her a very strong life-force, ability to act

independently and contrary to a societal norm, stubbornness, push and a lot of

passion. This assures a certain amount of success and perhaps notoriety. This

may also give her athletic ability, and skills in dance or perhaps gymnastics.

Adding her Mercury/Jupiter conjunction to this for physical skills, may make her

a very good runner or cyclist (Merc/Jupiter in Gemini occupy the 5th house of

sports from the Moon and aspect the 5th from the Ascendant).

 

[ck - definitely independent and ambitious. but the other side to this strong

Mars placement on the MC with Aldebaran is her father. Her father is a very

highly placed govt official and is quite wealthy. Note that the 9th and 10th

rulers exchange signs. Traditional ruler for father is 9th lord Mars and it is

conjunct the MC with Aldebaran.]

 

The next thing I notice about the chart is the Mercury/Jupiter conjunction in

the 11th house.

This conjunction is free from combustion, both planets are in forward motion,

not moving closely toward an Rx station, and occupying a Rahu nakshatra. Rahu

in its turn is in the 10th house in its exaltation of Taurus. Both planets are a

bit wide of a sextile to both Venus and the Ascendant. Mercury is throwing a

sesquisquare to Neptune and also in a wide square to Saturn.

 

Despite not being integrated well into the chart by close aspect, they

nevertheless show intellectual ability and very good earning potential.

Together they form a dhana yoga (or combination for wealth) from the ascendant

(as lords of 2,11 and 5) occupying the 11th.

Mercury becomes the primary indicator of money and gains from the Ascendant by

its rulership of houses 2 and 11, while Jupiter rules 2 and 11 from the Moon.

Both planets are also in the 2nd house from the Sun which gets added importance

as the ascendant lord and its occupation of the 10th house. Mercury and Jupiter

also occupy the 5th house from the Moon, a good factor for education,

intelligence and counseling skills.

 

[ck -- right, she has a Ph D and is a professor at one of the leading

universities in Thailand.]

 

Mercury/Jupiter in Gemini would usually make a person well read and also

tending towards very good literature. There may also be an interest in medicine.

 

[ck- this probably isn't the case but she's not yet 40, so those interests may

develop in time. she's not that much of an intellectual actually.]

 

These two planets then should indicate the source of income through, speaking,

teaching, counseling, advising, sales, investments, speculations, medicine etc.

In addition Mercury and Jupiter occupy the 10th house of the D10 chart (Fagan)

again pointing to their playing a part in the career also.

 

While Jupiter should bring some luck with regards to career and gains, it may

not deliver children.

 

The potential for children is mixed and she is a very passionate person, so

there may be children.

Jupiter as ruler of the 5th house, also aspects it's own house from the 11th

and could indicate children. Jupiter also occupies the 5th from the Moon, which

I consider good (despite Hindu warnings this is not good).

However Jupiter occupies Gemini (a barren sign) along with eunuch planet,

Mercury. Rahu occupies the 5th in the navamsa (Fagan) along with Mercury, both

in the sign of Capricorn, while Saturn, lord of 5th occupies the 12th with enemy

Sun in Leo. From the navamsa Moon in Taurus, Venus occupies the 5th in debility

(Virgo). All of these factors weighing more on the side of having no children or

very limited issues.

Although passionate, she is not exactly blessed with maternal instincts, so I

would guess that she probably does not have children. If she is in fact a

teacher, then the Mercury/Jupiter may be an indication of her students.

 

[ck -- right, no kids]

 

Saturn is weak in this chart and often a weak Saturn indicates a lack of

discipline and organization.

This in turn may lead to not accomplishing much in the life. In the case of

this particular chart however, I think her Mars makes up (somewhat) for the weak

Saturn.

 

In other words, what she lacks by way of Saturn discipline, she may make up by

strong Martian energy. This keeps her active and very energetic, although not

always in an orderly and consistent fashion. If I'm wrong about this theory,

then the lack of Saturn discipline and structure may give her much less success

than expected.

Since Mars is stronger by placement also than her natal Merc/Jupiter--if she is

involved in education of some sort, then it may be in the 'physical ed'

department.

 

[ck - this is very true. she's not that organized or focused but she gets

things done somehow.]

 

I always do this type of a 'cold read' before seeing a client. During the

reading I do not try to play the part of a psychic or a 'Houdini', but elicit

information from the client in order to offer the best possible practical

advice.

If I do the cold read beforehand, it becomes very instructive and a good

learning tool for future cold reads. Sometimes I do quite well with this, and

other times not very good. Usually some elements are there, but not necessarily

in the expected way.

 

I'm wondering if she enjoys cooking and has a taste for very fine cuisine?

 

 

Best,

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

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Chris, I don't know if you saw my post where I mentioned I was

wokring on your Mystery chart. At any rate, my approach didn't change

when you posted your response to Steve, so I will try to post my

comments later today.

 

I should say something about Steve leaving the list. This was his

choice, and we had no recent correspondence other than what appeared

here on the list. After consideration I decided that his last long

post crossed the boundaries of good taste and respect for another

person. I don't accept sarcasm on this list from anyone, so I put him

on moderation. This was offensive to such a strong Sagittarius-

Jupiter person like Steve, and he withdrew from the list.

 

I have three sidereal Sag suns (with other planets) in my family, and

not one of them will ever admit to being wrong or in need of changing

their behavior. There is also an inability to accept nuances--the

grays in any situation. It's always white or black. This is perhaps a

trait of Sagittarius, which seems to be more fixed than any of the

fixed signs in either zodiac. Anyhow, this is my experience with

family members. How much of these traits Steve shares I cannot say.

 

At any rate, Chris has kinldy pointed out a link where group members

can continue to correspond with Steve.

 

Therese

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Mystery Chart 2--Comments

 

For anyone who has studied Jyotish, a few aspects of the chart jump

out immediately:

 

(1) The lords of 9th and 10th exchange places, so this woman would

have reached some position of prestige within her culture. The

question then becomes, " What type of prestige--in what area? " I'd

assume it would be in some area of education or culture because so

many planets in 10th are in a Venus-ruled sign, Taurus. This is also

(in my experience) a sign that deals with thoughts, words and

communication. (like Tropical Gemini) It's also somewhat scattered,

usually. (Sorry, all of you siderealists out there who don't see

sidereal Taurus in this way.)

 

Jupiter is with Mercury in a Mercury ruled sign on an equal cusp,

11th. This will bring communication skills to the fore, especially

since Mercury is the 2nd lord (speech). She will earn her living

through communication in some way. (2nd house combined with 11th)

 

Would I have finally decided she would be a college professor?

Perhaps not, only that work involving communication would be

important in her life. The Mars-Aldebaran position that Steve

mentioned is important, and most likely relates to her father as well

as the fact that she teaches in a university (Mars as lord of 9th).

 

It's obvious to anyone who looks at the chart that Pluto and Uranus

closely oppose the Moon. Yet I never make a judgement on those

planets until I meet the person because sometimes they seem to be

very active in a chart, and sometimes they seem to be invisible. So I

would place emphasis on the navamsa Moon-Mars conjunction in Taurus.

Lots of energy, but mainly mental.

 

Moon in the 7th I'd link to working with or for other people, not

working in a cubicle alone by herself. There's intelligence and

intuition: Mercury/Jupiter on a cusp trine an angular Moon. Since

Mercury is the indicator of education, a good education is a given.

 

Venus is in the navamsa ascendant in Virgo. Does this make her

attractive physically? Venus would also play a role in her

personality. Venus in Virgo is rather fickle, not tended to long

lasting relationships, but friendly and seeming to be sociable. Venus

in Virgo is another indication of empasis in some cultured field.

 

I wouldn't use the M.C. in this chart, as it is so near the equal

10th cusp. The part of fortune is in the degree of the equal 10th

cusp--fortune and profit from some kind of public work--in this case

teaching and working in advertising.

 

Neptune is trine the Moon. I've found this aspect to correlate with

intelligence, but like Uranus and Pluto, I'd withhold judgement on

how important that aspect was until I met the person.

 

So I cannot say how important Uranus, Neptune and Pluto might be to

this woman's psychology. Mars-Moon: yes; Venus: yes (Before Ur/Ne/Pl,

Mars was the indicator of independence.)

 

Culture: definitely; Venus on the navamsa asc., Venus on an equal

cusp (9th) and planets in Venus-ruled Taurus.

 

Navamsa Jupiter is in the natal 7th, thus a socially well placed

husband. Saturn is with the Sun in Leo in the navamsa, but I'm not

sure what that means. Saturn is close to the natal ascendant. Unlike

many interpretations of Saturn, I lean toward Edgar Cayce and his

statement that Saturn likes to rub out the past and continually start

anew without finishing what was begun before. In my observation it's

Jupiter that has staying power rather than Saturn.

 

A few words from Hart DeFouw on the Moon's mansion for this lady:

serious, high strung, can be nervous, but a skillful speaker. Can be

impetuous and anger easily.

 

Since this is not a naturally harmonious mansion, having the Moon

here in 7th could contribute to the instability of marriage. But I

see nothing in the chart that would suggest multiple relationships,

which are usually connected with some kind of interplay of

Venus/Saturn/Rahu.

 

So these are a few things I'd get out of the chart without meeting

the lady. One interesting thing I did was pull up 17 charts from ADB

that are similar to this one in that Leo rises with the Sun, Rahu,

and other planets in 10th in Taurus. I can post some comments on

these charts within a few days. I was looking for ways to distinguish

the different careers in the charts.

 

Therese

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At 11:46 AM 3/26/06 -0800, Chris wrote:

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>I think this Taurus-as-thinker idea is way off the mark. Again, I

don't buy the leakage theory at all.

 

Chris, I have 17 charts with Taurus planets in 10th. Let's see how

they play out. Sorry I'm so slow on posting this--so much to do in

the hours of the day, and retrograde Saturn sqaring my Moon is no

help at all.

 

>Have you in fact looked at the writings of Valens, Ptolemy, and

Manilius on this score? These are all astrologers from the first two

centuries of the current era when there was little difference between

the sidereal and tropical zodiacs.

 

I have 'em all, since the history of astrology is one of my main

interests--all of Project Hindsight, costs of all those other

expensive academic books sitting on my Visa cards. I'll try to

comment on some of these writings by sign when I have time. Rupert

Gledow made a start on this in his YOUR CHARACTER IN THE ZODIAC. He

qoutes from Valens, Manilius and others.

 

Do you have Gleadow's book? It seems to me that any western

siderealist might want this book on his/her shelf. Here's one of

Gleadow's quotes on Cancer:

 

" So when the whole horoscope is ruled by the Moon one would expect

the native to be a creature of opportunity doing always what

circumstances suggest. And this is very much the impression we get

from Valens, whose account is extremely good:

 

[Valens:] Cancer is the house of the Moon...concerned with public

service, democratic, political...devoted to members of their

household employed in public affairs, but unstable in their opinions,

thinking one thing and saying another, not remaining in one line of

business or even as a rule in two, but given to roaming and living

abraod...[end Valens quote]

 

It would seem from that description that Valens linked Cancer very

much to the Moon. Gleadow adds, " Here is the complete politician! "

(Note the horoscope of our current president.)

 

>Yes, those are handy shorthands. [readings on the lunar

mansions]... While these nakshatra descroptions are simple and useful

delineations, after I read a few of them I wonder how useful they

really are.

 

I believe the nakshatra readings are way over-rated. They need lots

of research. Plus the stars that Jyotish astrologers say are in the

nakshatra divisions often aren't there at all.

 

Therese

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