Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Dear Fellow Siderealists, Rather than focusing on abstracted concepts in astrology, I thought it might be fun to examine the chart of a real person. What can we say about the likely attributes of the person based only on the birth data? Feel free to chime in with any comments, long or short. Here's the data I have selected: June 18 1929 20.00 CET Dusseldorf, Germany. I know the time is rounded, but it should be considered reasonably accurate. Since the ascendant is 24 Scorpio, a few minutes either way won't change things substantially. Chris Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Well, it seems that the chart data I gave out is in ADB so that takes some of the fun of the whole process. The data belongs to German social philospher Jurgen Habermas. But you knew that already... I think I may abandon celebrities entirely and post a chart of one of the little people. Chris Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 At 08:30 AM 3/18/06 -0800, Chris wrote: >Here's the data I have selected: > >June 18 1929 20.00 CET Dusseldorf, Germany. > >I know the time is rounded, but it should be considered reasonably accurate. Since the ascendant is 24 Scorpio, a few minutes either way won't change things substantially. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Since I rely heavily on close aspects to the angles and the navamsa ascendant which determines where planets fall in that chart, 'a few minutes' (anything over 7 minutes either way) will drastically change the chart from my perspective. For mystery charts I believe we should be working with recorded time in minutes, best recorded by an astrologer present at the birth. Chris, if you reply, please avoid personal comments in your reply and focus on the problem of birth time. Let's try to remain with astrology and avoid emotional reactions that usually involve telling someone they're wrong. We should all be saying, " I've found this to be work, " or, " I believe this to be true... " All we have to go on is our own personal experience or research results from groups of charts. General to all: Any hint of saracasm or flaming from anyone on this list, and that person will be placed on moderation. Re: this mystery chart, there are some powerful configuations even without an exact birth time that give hints about the nature of the person--most especially Moon in Vishaka with the nodes, and ascendant lord Mars square this configuration. But knowing the navamsa ascendant would verify the chart for me. My personal belief is that it's nearly impossible to pull out the few symbolic traits from the many that are possible for each planet at this stage of our astrological knowledge--except for psychics or intuitives. We know from this chart that the 9th, 6th, 12th and 7th receive heavy emphasis. The question is, " Exactly how will this emphasis manifest? " For the rounded time of birth, the nodes are extremely important in the chart. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Therese, I seem to have punted this one. This chart can be found in ADB -- yikes! For some reason, I had thought the person was more obscure and wouldn't have made the cut. Sorry, but I don't think this is a good candidate for our consideration. My mistake. I'll dig out a chart of a real person, ie non celebrity. Chris therese92003 <eastwest wrote: At 08:30 AM 3/18/06 -0800, Chris wrote: >Here's the data I have selected: > >June 18 1929 20.00 CET Dusseldorf, Germany. > >I know the time is rounded, but it should be considered reasonably accurate. Since the ascendant is 24 Scorpio, a few minutes either way won't change things substantially. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Since I rely heavily on close aspects to the angles and the navamsa ascendant which determines where planets fall in that chart, 'a few minutes' (anything over 7 minutes either way) will drastically change the chart from my perspective. For mystery charts I believe we should be working with recorded time in minutes, best recorded by an astrologer present at the birth. Chris, if you reply, please avoid personal comments in your reply and focus on the problem of birth time. Let's try to remain with astrology and avoid emotional reactions that usually involve telling someone they're wrong. We should all be saying, " I've found this to be work, " or, " I believe this to be true... " All we have to go on is our own personal experience or research results from groups of charts. General to all: Any hint of saracasm or flaming from anyone on this list, and that person will be placed on moderation. Re: this mystery chart, there are some powerful configuations even without an exact birth time that give hints about the nature of the person--most especially Moon in Vishaka with the nodes, and ascendant lord Mars square this configuration. But knowing the navamsa ascendant would verify the chart for me. My personal belief is that it's nearly impossible to pull out the few symbolic traits from the many that are possible for each planet at this stage of our astrological knowledge--except for psychics or intuitives. We know from this chart that the 9th, 6th, 12th and 7th receive heavy emphasis. The question is, " Exactly how will this emphasis manifest? " For the rounded time of birth, the nodes are extremely important in the chart. Therese " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Thank you, Chris. That chart looked familiar to me, and I would have caught it in ADB--just haven't had time to look, and I'm busy until evening. , Christopher Kevill <ckevill wrote: > > I seem to have punted this one. This chart can be found in ADB -- yikes! For some reason, I had thought the person was more obscure and wouldn't have made the cut. > > Sorry, but I don't think this is a good candidate for our consideration. My mistake. > > I'll dig out a chart of a real person, ie non celebrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 At 10:30 AM 3/18/06 -0800, Chris wrote: >Well, it seems that the chart data I gave out is in ADB so that takes some of the fun of the whole process. The data belongs to German social philospher Jurgen Habermas. But you knew that already... > >I think I may abandon celebrities entirely and post a chart of one of the little people. Chris, that's probably a good idea. That was an obscure chart though. I don't think anyone would have guessed that the person was a German social philosopher. I'm not even sure how to describe what a social philsopher is. It was fairly obvious that the man was a teacher (Mercury in 7th in Taurus). I can only say that because I've seen that position in other charts of professional teachers. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 By social philosopher, I was trying to include Habermas's specific contributions to social theory and sociology. But he's an incomprehensible as most regular philosophers. therese hamilton <eastwest wrote: At 10:30 AM 3/18/06 -0800, Chris wrote: >Well, it seems that the chart data I gave out is in ADB so that takes some of the fun of the whole process. The data belongs to German social philospher Jurgen Habermas. But you knew that already... > >I think I may abandon celebrities entirely and post a chart of one of the little people. Chris, that's probably a good idea. That was an obscure chart though. I don't think anyone would have guessed that the person was a German social philosopher. I'm not even sure how to describe what a social philsopher is. It was fairly obvious that the man was a teacher (Mercury in 7th in Taurus). I can only say that because I've seen that position in other charts of professional teachers. Therese " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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