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This is a general message for everyone. I hope you all realize that

I'm only trying to help the cause of astrology.

 

I think the main problem with astrology today is the age of

astrologers, most of whom are older than 50, and many of us are over

60 or 70. Education has changed drastically in those years since we

left school, and this means that standards have also changed a great

deal.

 

If we don't have grandchildren in school, we won't be aware of the

huge changes that have taken place over the years in education. Today

it's almost impossible to find a creative well paying job without a

higher degree. Even B.A. or B.S. degrees seem to present very little

in the way of opportunity. If we're old enough to be living on a

pension or social security, we may have no idea what's going on 'out

there.'

 

These days second graders are learning their way around possessive

pronouns (it's our's, their's etc.). By second and third grade they

are learning pre-algebraic concepts, formulas and equations. They're

learning the basics of geometry. In third grade they're learning how

to distinguish between physical and chemical changes in matter. Does

anyone here remember learning that in elementary school? I don't. We

might have been learning the difference between elephants and insects.

 

The bottom line is that today young children are being taught to

think and reason in order to prepare them for careers in higher

mathematics and science. Our world is changing. Those of us who began

our astrology by using log tables to calculate charts now see our

horoscopes in an instant on the computer screen. Modern technology

came from very bright creative minds (and perhaps not a little from

past-life Atlantean recall).

 

Maybe our tech pioneers didn't have the best education, but today in

order to find employment in the tech fields, you need the education

society says you need. Few can match the mental genius of pioneers in

any field.

 

Our children are already way ahead of us. And few young people have

an interest in a subject that has seen no discipline or scientific

method or mutual cooperation among practitioners. The least we can do

is to remain humble and flexible and open to the thought that, " Life,

it's been a-changin', and maybe my attitude toward astrology needs to

change too. "

 

Otherwise, aren't we simply a Uranian version of the rednecks that

still populate the small towns of America? " Me and my family been

doin' it this way my whole life, and I don't see no reason to change. "

 

Therese

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Interesting post Therese that raises a lot of issues.

 

I don't know why young people aren't that keen to become astrologers. Some

invariably will since astrology has a transcendent appeal. But probably not as

many will take up the baton and run with it. I don't know that it is because of

the lack of a scientific discipline. There are a lot of societal forces at work

here that one needs to acknowledge. And the whole thing is probably cyclical

anyway, right? ;-)

 

Some observers insist that new age type beliefs are not linked to the 60s

hippies/boomer cohort and is here to stay. Some of its basic tenets have

permeated the culture sufficiently to guarantee its viability in the years to

come after the boomers have left the planet. I'm less sure about that, but

certainly a lot of the beliefs have been normalized throughout the culture --

environmental awareness, and holistic, alternative healing are a couple of

things one could mention. Young people are definitely open to this and other

types of non-scientific feel good, generically spiritual endeavours.

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

therese92003 <eastwest wrote: This is a general message for

everyone. I hope you all realize that

I'm only trying to help the cause of astrology.

 

I think the main problem with astrology today is the age of

astrologers, most of whom are older than 50, and many of us are over

60 or 70. Education has changed drastically in those years since we

left school, and this means that standards have also changed a great

deal.

 

If we don't have grandchildren in school, we won't be aware of the

huge changes that have taken place over the years in education. Today

it's almost impossible to find a creative well paying job without a

higher degree. Even B.A. or B.S. degrees seem to present very little

in the way of opportunity. If we're old enough to be living on a

pension or social security, we may have no idea what's going on 'out

there.'

 

These days second graders are learning their way around possessive

pronouns (it's our's, their's etc.). By second and third grade they

are learning pre-algebraic concepts, formulas and equations. They're

learning the basics of geometry. In third grade they're learning how

to distinguish between physical and chemical changes in matter. Does

anyone here remember learning that in elementary school? I don't. We

might have been learning the difference between elephants and insects.

 

The bottom line is that today young children are being taught to

think and reason in order to prepare them for careers in higher

mathematics and science. Our world is changing. Those of us who began

our astrology by using log tables to calculate charts now see our

horoscopes in an instant on the computer screen. Modern technology

came from very bright creative minds (and perhaps not a little from

past-life Atlantean recall).

 

Maybe our tech pioneers didn't have the best education, but today in

order to find employment in the tech fields, you need the education

society says you need. Few can match the mental genius of pioneers in

any field.

 

Our children are already way ahead of us. And few young people have

an interest in a subject that has seen no discipline or scientific

method or mutual cooperation among practitioners. The least we can do

is to remain humble and flexible and open to the thought that, " Life,

it's been a-changin', and maybe my attitude toward astrology needs to

change too. "

 

Otherwise, aren't we simply a Uranian version of the rednecks that

still populate the small towns of America? " Me and my family been

doin' it this way my whole life, and I don't see no reason to change. "

 

Therese

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm currently doing an on-line discussion and teaching project on a

popular Internet site that has an astrology sub-forum. There are some

20 or 30 participants who have posted their astrological data and who

participate in the list activities. We are exploring the planets and

how to work with them; the Moon in phase relationship to the Sun, how

to interpret Venus relative to the Sun, a lot of things that are not

commonly found in books. The group is really capivated by these

various explorations but, as a general rule, they have some common

issues to deal with.

 

While they come from a variety of career backgrounds and age groups,

they most seem to have great difficulty grasping what I had always

seen as " simple concepts. " For example, understanding what an opening

square is versus a closing square, how to calculate the degree of

distance one planet is ahead of another planet, simple things of this

nature.

 

Another group expouses a 13-sign zodiac and can quote all kinds of

mythology and ideas but cannot explain how many degrees each of the

" new and revised " signs will have when divided among 360 degrees and

how the subject of degrees or rulerships or aspects will be defined

within this improved zodiac, nor does this person truly understand the

difference between signs, tropical and sidereal zodiacs or

constellation star-patterns and/or houses -- it is all mixed up for

this person. And there are a number of " followers " that just love

this mumbo jumbo or " astro-babble " even though nobody can deliniate a

chart or offer helpful advice.

 

What I'm trying to bottom-line here is that there are a number of

people with various areas of deep knowledge but who also do not want

to take the time, make the effort, and truly get their mind around the

subject of astrology before they start pontificating about it.

 

While we who are older, I'm 69 years of age, have had to learn logs

and lots of various methodologies that seem to have faded from serious

astrology over the decades, we do know the basics behind computer

generated charts and data. It seems that few want to take the time to

learn the basics these days. I'm not sure who is going to do the

research in another 20 years. Is it our " age " that tells us that the

new breed is shallow, careless, not very detailed in their work, etc.

 

Like others we all know, I can initially glance at a chart and talk

about it in depth all at the same moment. None/few of the new age

astrological students seem to know the difference between a sign and a

house -- indeed, they treat them the same. I sincerely hope to find a

single good student -- no luck so far. Dave

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At 06:44 PM 3/9/06 -0800, Chris wrote:

>>Interesting post Therese that raises a lot of issues.

>>

>>I don't know why young people aren't that keen to become

astrologers. Some invariably will since astrology has a transcendent

appeal. But probably not as many will take up the baton and run with

it. I don't know that it is because of the lack of a scientific

discipline...

 

You know, Chris, the new physics is very close to the ancient

spiritual teachings of India. Science is approaching spirituality. It

may be that astrology fits in there somewhere, a wedding of science,

nature and spirit. But that's going to be very far cry from today's

astrology which still emphasizes the philosophy and world outlook of

Rudhyar and Liz Greene.

 

A while ago on the YoungAstro forum someone pointed out that it was

often difficult to make sense of Liz Greene's writings and the way

she put words together.

 

>> There are a lot of societal forces at work here that one needs to

acknowledge. And the whole thing is probably cyclical anyway,

right? ;-)

 

If you put it that way....

 

>>Young people are definitely open to this and other types of non-

scientific feel good, generically spiritual endeavours.

 

I believe the final answer will be a union of the best in science and

the uniqueness of spiritual experience. It's like Sri Yukteswar says

in Autobiography of a Yogi: Astrology is too vast a subject to be

understood except by men of great wisdom. I certainly don't have

that 'great wisdom,' and I don't know anyone who does. But there's

always hope for the future!

 

But I do think we're missing the boat and making the development of

astrology much more difficult by refusing to work together in mutual

cooperation. As it stands now astrologers exist as individual islands

in the astrological universe. Living on our own little islands plus

being out of step with society isn't going to get us very far, and I

don't think it's going to help astrology progress either.

 

Therese

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