Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Thanks, John. You're ever the meticulous researcher. I confess I didn't read your first post carefully--been fighting a headache and bleary vision most of the day. I wrote a post similar to this one earlier, but it hasn't shown up. Neither have several other messages I wrote to this list. They seem to be getting lost somewhere. I should re-install my mail program. Therese At 07:11 PM 1/31/06 +0000, John wrote: > > Brian Moynahan, RASPUTIN: THE SAINT WHO SINNED [New York: Random House, 1997; London: Aurum Press Limited, 1998] > On page 16: > " Rasputin's daughter Maria [in her 1977 biography: RASPUTIN: THE MAN BEHIND THE MYTH] claimed that a fiery meteor burst across the night sky as Anna Egorovna, wife of Efim Aklovlevich Rasputin, a carter and farmer, gave birth to her second son. Maria gave her father's birth weight as seven pounds and the date as January 22, 1871 [NS]. That date corresponds to January 10 in the Julian Calendar used in prerevolutionary Russia. The same day, January 10, appears in the Register of Baptisms in Tyumen, the nearest city to his birthplace [ His village: Tobol'sk, Tyumenskaya Oblast, Siberia], with the year 1869. If this is correct --- it is the most likely --- then he was three weeks short of his forty-eighth birthday when the black automobile collected him for his last ride. [Rasputin was assassinated during the early hours of December 17, 1916 OS. Four pistol shots were heard/witnessed by a St. Petersburg policeman at 4:00 am . This act brought his end in accordance with a one month old > plan to have him assassinated on the night of the 16th. His assassins, Khvostov and Beletsky not long after met a similar fate. They were shot in the Bolshevik Terror after sharing the same condemned cell.] > > @ Tobol'sk . . . the Asc is 07Leo11 > > @ Pokrovskoje ... the Asc is 07Leo39 > > Rasputin's daughter claims the birth place is Tobol'sk. Gormick rectified for Pokrovskoje. > > There you have it. The Registry of Birth is decisive on this matter: Jan 22, 1869 NS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Hi John, You've found Rasputin's birth date for us, but is the birth hour a rectification or the time the comet crossed the sky? Have you checked events against the chart time? The time is important because for the time given--6:42 p.m., the Moon had just moved into Aquarius. Earlier in the day it would have been in Capricorn. I wouldn't try to check the birth hour myself without spending time with Rasputin's biography, something I don't have time for now. Somehow the Saturn-Ketu conjunction struck me as important, and it's squared by Mars. Where ever that configuration is in the chart, I have a suspicion it's the key to Rasputin and his life. We'd also need to see an astrological signature for patronage from those in high places. He doesn't look like a Leo ascendant to me. If astrologers had done their research and collected hundreds of charts by ascendant degree, we might have a hint. I've started a project like that, but have to few charts too make a judgement. The first thing I'd look for is a zodiac area that produces very low brows and an unkempt appearance. Saturn-Ketu might enter into that somehow. Therese At 07:11 PM 1/31/06 +0000, you wrote: > > Brian Moynahan, RASPUTIN: THE SAINT WHO SINNED [New York: Random House, 1997; London: Aurum Press Limited, 1998] > On page 16: > " Rasputin's daughter Maria [in her 1977 biography: RASPUTIN: THE MAN BEHIND THE MYTH] claimed that a fiery meteor burst across the night sky as Anna Egorovna, wife of Efim Aklovlevich Rasputin, a carter and farmer, gave birth to her second son. Maria gave her father's birth weight as seven pounds and the date as January 22, 1871 [NS]. That date corresponds to January 10 in the Julian Calendar used in prerevolutionary Russia. The same day, January 10, appears in the Register of Baptisms in Tyumen, the nearest city to his birthplace [ His village: Tobol'sk, Tyumenskaya Oblast, Siberia], with the year 1869. If this is correct --- it is the most likely --- then he was three weeks short of his forty-eighth birthday when the black automobile collected him for his last ride. [Rasputin was assassinated during the early hours of December 17, 1916 OS. Four pistol shots were heard/witnessed by a St. Petersburg policeman at 4:00 am . This act brought his end in accordance with a one month old > plan to have him assassinated on the night of the 16th. His assassins, Khvostov and Beletsky not long after met a similar fate. They were shot in the Bolshevik Terror after sharing the same condemned cell.] > > @ Tobol'sk . . . the Asc is 07Leo11 > > @ Pokrovskoje ... the Asc is 07Leo39 > > Rasputin's daughter claims the birth place is Tobol'sk. Gormick rectified for Pokrovskoje. > > There you have it. The Registry of Birth is decisive on this matter: Jan 22, 1869 NS > >At 11:31 AM 1/31/06 +0000, John wrote: >> Grigori Rasputin >>> >> Birth date: January 22, 1869 NS. Birth place: Pokrovskoje (Tyumenskaya >Oblast), Siberia, RUSSIA >>Birth time: 6:42 pm [LMT -4:27:12] >> Birth time moment 6:42 pm determination: compliments of my old friend, >student of Grant Lewi, professional astrologer, historian Ted Gormick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Hi Therese The birth hour was derived by Ted Gormick's rectification; not the record of comet's crossing. The comet story is reported in Moynahan; whether or not Ted Gormick knew about it I cannot say. My note from Ted's data [Taken down at a 1989 Tokyo, Japan meeting wth Ted] is penciled in the front page of my copy of the Colin Wilson biography (which copy I bought way way back in 1966, 2 years after it was first published, and all but forgotten until I say your post on the matter at hand.). Ted was a great one for historical research. E.g ... He traveled alot; once to the Princeton University Library in search of letters regarding the time of day on the 4th that the Committee of the Whole passed agreement on the final form of the text of the U.S. Declaration of Independence; another, to New York City in search of the time of signing of the Constitution of the New York Stock Exchange, on Monday, February 21, 1820. Ted's a real character; he' must be at least 80+ years old now (I vaguely recollect, not having heard from him for about 8 years.) Regards, John therese hamilton <eastwest wrote: Hi John, You've found Rasputin's birth date for us, but is the birth hour a rectification or the time the comet crossed the sky? Have you checked events against the chart time? The time is important because for the time given--6:42 p.m., the Moon had just moved into Aquarius. Earlier in the day it would have been in Capricorn. I wouldn't try to check the birth hour myself without spending time with Rasputin's biography, something I don't have time for now. Somehow the Saturn-Ketu conjunction struck me as important, and it's squared by Mars. Where ever that configuration is in the chart, I have a suspicion it's the key to Rasputin and his life. We'd also need to see an astrological signature for patronage from those in high places. He doesn't look like a Leo ascendant to me. If astrologers had done their research and collected hundreds of charts by ascendant degree, we might have a hint. I've started a project like that, but have to few charts too make a judgement. The first thing I'd look for is a zodiac area that produces very low brows and an unkempt appearance. Saturn-Ketu might enter into that somehow. Therese At 07:11 PM 1/31/06 +0000, you wrote: > > Brian Moynahan, RASPUTIN: THE SAINT WHO SINNED [New York: Random House, 1997; London: Aurum Press Limited, 1998] > On page 16: > " Rasputin's daughter Maria [in her 1977 biography: RASPUTIN: THE MAN BEHIND THE MYTH] claimed that a fiery meteor burst across the night sky as Anna Egorovna, wife of Efim Aklovlevich Rasputin, a carter and farmer, gave birth to her second son. Maria gave her father's birth weight as seven pounds and the date as January 22, 1871 [NS]. That date corresponds to January 10 in the Julian Calendar used in prerevolutionary Russia. The same day, January 10, appears in the Register of Baptisms in Tyumen, the nearest city to his birthplace [ His village: Tobol'sk, Tyumenskaya Oblast, Siberia], with the year 1869. If this is correct --- it is the most likely --- then he was three weeks short of his forty-eighth birthday when the black automobile collected him for his last ride. [Rasputin was assassinated during the early hours of December 17, 1916 OS. Four pistol shots were heard/witnessed by a St. Petersburg policeman at 4:00 am . This act brought his end in accordance with a one month old > plan to have him assassinated on the night of the 16th. His assassins, Khvostov and Beletsky not long after met a similar fate. They were shot in the Bolshevik Terror after sharing the same condemned cell.] > > @ Tobol'sk . . . the Asc is 07Leo11 > > @ Pokrovskoje ... the Asc is 07Leo39 > > Rasputin's daughter claims the birth place is Tobol'sk. Gormick rectified for Pokrovskoje. > > There you have it. The Registry of Birth is decisive on this matter: Jan 22, 1869 NS > >At 11:31 AM 1/31/06 +0000, John wrote: >> Grigori Rasputin >>> >> Birth date: January 22, 1869 NS. Birth place: Pokrovskoje (Tyumenskaya >Oblast), Siberia, RUSSIA >>Birth time: 6:42 pm [LMT -4:27:12] >> Birth time moment 6:42 pm determination: compliments of my old friend, >student of Grant Lewi, professional astrologer, historian Ted Gormick " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 John, I think the rectificaton is probably off for a number of reasons (astrological), but I really can't say much without checking events against the chart. Thanks for the added info in your post about Ted Gormick. I'm suspicious of all rectifications because you can take ten astrologers and ask them to rectify any chart, and they'll come up with ten different times of birth--shows how much we all have yet to learn. Your new e-mail address placed you on moderation, which might be why there have been delays in your posts appearing. I just took you off moderation. A good historian doesn't necessarily make someone skilled in rectifying the horoscopes of individuals. It's possible, but not a given. Therese At 02:48 AM 2/6/06 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Therese > > The birth hour was derived by Ted Gormick's rectification; not the record of comet's crossing. The comet story is reported in Moynahan; whether or not Ted Gormick knew about it I cannot say. > > My note from Ted's data [Taken down at a 1989 Tokyo, Japan meeting wth Ted] is penciled in the front page of my copy of the Colin Wilson biography (which copy I bought way way back in 1966, 2 years after it was first published, and all but forgotten until I say your post on the matter at hand.). Ted was a great one for historical research. E.g ... He traveled alot; once to the Princeton University Library in search of letters regarding the time of day on the 4th that the Committee of the Whole passed agreement on the final form of the text of the U.S. Declaration of Independence; another, to New York City in search of the time of signing of the Constitution of the New York Stock Exchange, on Monday, February 21, 1820. Ted's a real character; he' must be at least 80+ years old now (I vaguely recollect, not having heard from him for about 8 years.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Thanks Therese ....... and Agreed therese hamilton <eastwest wrote: John, I think the rectificaton is probably off for a number of reasons (astrological), but I really can't say much without checking events against the chart. Thanks for the added info in your post about Ted Gormick. I'm suspicious of all rectifications because you can take ten astrologers and ask them to rectify any chart, and they'll come up with ten different times of birth--shows how much we all have yet to learn. Your new e-mail address placed you on moderation, which might be why there have been delays in your posts appearing. I just took you off moderation. A good historian doesn't necessarily make someone skilled in rectifying the horoscopes of individuals. It's possible, but not a given. Therese At 02:48 AM 2/6/06 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Therese > > The birth hour was derived by Ted Gormick's rectification; not the record of comet's crossing. The comet story is reported in Moynahan; whether or not Ted Gormick knew about it I cannot say. > > My note from Ted's data [Taken down at a 1989 Tokyo, Japan meeting wth Ted] is penciled in the front page of my copy of the Colin Wilson biography (which copy I bought way way back in 1966, 2 years after it was first published, and all but forgotten until I say your post on the matter at hand.). Ted was a great one for historical research. E.g ... He traveled alot; once to the Princeton University Library in search of letters regarding the time of day on the 4th that the Committee of the Whole passed agreement on the final form of the text of the U.S. Declaration of Independence; another, to New York City in search of the time of signing of the Constitution of the New York Stock Exchange, on Monday, February 21, 1820. Ted's a real character; he' must be at least 80+ years old now (I vaguely recollect, not having heard from him for about 8 years.) " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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