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Therese wrote:

 

Thinking about the Taurus-Virgo-Capricorn trigon, which I tend to call the

Mercury trigon (because Mercury is at home and exalted in Virgo), this

wouldn't be a particularly creative set of signs. Rather they might tend to

science and/or mathematics because I believe their innate functioning is of

the mind--neither emotional nor intuitive--but similar to the Tropical air

signs.

 

Sari:

 

BV Raman makes interesting notes about sidereal elements in his book " How to

Judge a Horoscope vol. I " in the chapter discussing about the fifth house.

He says that one should study the fifth house and it's sign when considering

about the emotional nature of a person. Then he goes on by analysing the

fifth house signs by element (which when using whole sign houses in Vedic

style are of course always the same than the Ascendant elements). Unlike

anything in west, he connects Fire loosely with intellect, Earth with

emotion, Air with action and Water is the balance between the three.

 

He writes about Earth:

" If the Bhutatwa Rasis or earthy signs (Taurus, Capricorn and Virgo) are in

the 5th house, the person will possess a retentive memory, imagination and

deep feeling. He has an attraction for hidden things. He is difficult to

deal with as he is elusive, trifle, impish, stubborn and somewhat peevish.

(...) The earthy element makes the person take a mystical view of physical

life. This element is intuitional and psychic. Another fundamental quality

is retrospection and exquisite sensibility often elevated to a mystical

belief in an inner life within the forms and objects of nature. "

 

One example chart about earthly emphasis comes to mind and it belongs to the

last Czarinna of Russia, Alexandra, the wife of the last Czar Nicholas.

Alexandra (6th June 1872 3.45 LMT -0.34.39 Darmstadt, Germany 49N53 08E40)

had all the vedic planets except Jupiter and Saturn in sidereal Taurus and

her Ascendant was also there.

 

Alexandra was a deeply religious and mystically inclined woman who turned

the head of her weak husband wherever she liked, or rather where Rasputin

liked. Alexandra was completely under spell of Rasputin whom she thought was

a saint, an ascetic and a holy man, when actually Rasputin, though deeply

religious himself in his own, a bit unorthodox way, was peasant with a

simple backround, a drinker and womanizer and a very complicated person and

considered as a heretic by most of the church fathers. Rasputin removed his

opponents and enjoyed enormous influence in the court with help of Czarinna,

who had an unshakeable faith in him and his supernatural powers despite all

the people who tried to warn her. The story is told in Edvard Radzinski's

book about Rasputin.

 

The picture of Alexandra fits to Raman's description of earth fine.

According to my own observations there is certain romantic sentimentality or

romantic attachment (this sound a bit negative, but I cannot find a better

expression) in sidereal earth.

 

Best, Sari

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, " Sari M. " <gerdapp@w...>

wrote:

 

>BV Raman makes interesting notes about sidereal elements in his

book " How to

>Judge a Horoscope vol. I " in the chapter discussing about the fifth

house...(etc.)

 

Sari,

 

B.V. Raman wrote that book a l--o--n--g time ago, 1941!! I doubt very

much he would agree with much of what he wrote in that book if he had

revised it in the years before his death. As I said in a previous

post, I don't believe the trigons should be related to the elements.

Traditionally in India only the planets are related to the elements.

 

However, the quote from B.V. Raman's book is interesting from the

historical perspective. Thanks for posting it.

 

>One example chart about earthly emphasis comes to mind and it

belongs to the

>last Czarinna of Russia, Alexandra, the wife of the last Czar

Nicholas.

>Alexandra (6th June 1872 3.45 LMT -0.34.39 Darmstadt, Germany 49N53

08E40)

>had all the vedic planets except Jupiter and Saturn in sidereal

Taurus and

>her Ascendant was also there.

>

>Alexandra was a deeply religious and mystically inclined woman who

turned

>the head of her weak husband wherever she liked, or rather where

Rasputin

>liked. Alexandra was completely under spell of Rasputin whom she

thought was

>a saint, an ascetic and a holy man...

 

The fact that Alexandra came under the influence of Rasputin is more

likely due to Rahu on the ascendant closely conjunct the Sun and

Moon. Her devotion to Rasputin was due to the fact that she believed

he could help her son who had hemophelia.

 

Other circumstances of Alexandra's life reflect her many planets in a

Venus ruled sign: She was well schooled and learned history,

literature and geography. She also kept meticulous accounts of

finances when she became Tzarina. (This can all be related to Taurus

as a mental sign of learning.) She had an excellent memory (Moon

exalted in Taurus) and exellent handwriting. She liked music and

enjoyed needlepoint. Victoria also had four daughters before her son

was born. This may be the result of so many planets in a female sign.

 

It may be true that anyone with the nodes prominent can be in danger

of coming under occult influences either from drugs, alcohol or a

powerful individual.

 

>The picture of Alexandra fits to Raman's description of earth fine.

>According to my own observations there is certain romantic

sentimentality or

>romantic attachment...(in 'earth' signs)

 

I am not sure of this. You would have to give some more examples. The

Moon is generally considered to be the romantic and sentimental, and

Alexandra had it near her ascendant. Of course the Moon would

express strongly in Taurus, and that would contribute to the Moon's

emotional nature. But the Moon may not express that way in Virgo and

Capricorn.

 

Do you have the birth data for Rasputin?

 

Therese

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HI Sari,

 

Thanks for Alexandra's data. Noel Tyl says Rasputin has 1258 sets of birth data

so there's no loss in trying 8:56 am LMT which puts his Saturn-MC exactly

opposite her Sun New Moon with his ASC-Mercury exactly trining them. Rasputin

had

endowments both heavenly and earthly. One of them in a glass bottle in a Russian

museum can be found on the internet. Have a look at this chart. The Romanov's,

" our friend " , Grigory...holy, venal, magician, prophet...seems to have brought

her life to a sort of fulfillment. Russian aristocracy seemed to cry out at that

time for such a correction necessarily unstable and transitory that would have

to

usher in a monolith and make the whole thing new.

 

Dark*Star

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" Sari M. " wrote:

 

> One example chart about earthly emphasis comes to mind and it belongs to the

> last Czarinna of Russia, Alexandra, the wife of the last Czar Nicholas.

> Alexandra (6th June 1872 3.45 LMT -0.34.39 Darmstadt, Germany 49N53 08E40)

> Alexandra was a deeply religious and mystically inclined woman

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