Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Therese wrote: Thinking about the Taurus-Virgo-Capricorn trigon, which I tend to call the Mercury trigon (because Mercury is at home and exalted in Virgo), this wouldn't be a particularly creative set of signs. Rather they might tend to science and/or mathematics because I believe their innate functioning is of the mind--neither emotional nor intuitive--but similar to the Tropical air signs. Sari: BV Raman makes interesting notes about sidereal elements in his book " How to Judge a Horoscope vol. I " in the chapter discussing about the fifth house. He says that one should study the fifth house and it's sign when considering about the emotional nature of a person. Then he goes on by analysing the fifth house signs by element (which when using whole sign houses in Vedic style are of course always the same than the Ascendant elements). Unlike anything in west, he connects Fire loosely with intellect, Earth with emotion, Air with action and Water is the balance between the three. He writes about Earth: " If the Bhutatwa Rasis or earthy signs (Taurus, Capricorn and Virgo) are in the 5th house, the person will possess a retentive memory, imagination and deep feeling. He has an attraction for hidden things. He is difficult to deal with as he is elusive, trifle, impish, stubborn and somewhat peevish. (...) The earthy element makes the person take a mystical view of physical life. This element is intuitional and psychic. Another fundamental quality is retrospection and exquisite sensibility often elevated to a mystical belief in an inner life within the forms and objects of nature. " One example chart about earthly emphasis comes to mind and it belongs to the last Czarinna of Russia, Alexandra, the wife of the last Czar Nicholas. Alexandra (6th June 1872 3.45 LMT -0.34.39 Darmstadt, Germany 49N53 08E40) had all the vedic planets except Jupiter and Saturn in sidereal Taurus and her Ascendant was also there. Alexandra was a deeply religious and mystically inclined woman who turned the head of her weak husband wherever she liked, or rather where Rasputin liked. Alexandra was completely under spell of Rasputin whom she thought was a saint, an ascetic and a holy man, when actually Rasputin, though deeply religious himself in his own, a bit unorthodox way, was peasant with a simple backround, a drinker and womanizer and a very complicated person and considered as a heretic by most of the church fathers. Rasputin removed his opponents and enjoyed enormous influence in the court with help of Czarinna, who had an unshakeable faith in him and his supernatural powers despite all the people who tried to warn her. The story is told in Edvard Radzinski's book about Rasputin. The picture of Alexandra fits to Raman's description of earth fine. According to my own observations there is certain romantic sentimentality or romantic attachment (this sound a bit negative, but I cannot find a better expression) in sidereal earth. Best, Sari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 If multiple postings of this reply or other messages are going into mailboxes, I apologize. My messages haven't been appearing and I've sent them more than once. Multiple messages will be deleted from the site itself. , " Sari M. " <gerdapp@w...> wrote: >BV Raman makes interesting notes about sidereal elements in his book " How to >Judge a Horoscope vol. I " in the chapter discussing about the fifth house...(etc.) Sari, B.V. Raman wrote that book a l--o--n--g time ago, 1941!! I doubt very much he would agree with much of what he wrote in that book if he had revised it in the years before his death. As I said in a previous post, I don't believe the trigons should be related to the elements. Traditionally in India only the planets are related to the elements. However, the quote from B.V. Raman's book is interesting from the historical perspective. Thanks for posting it. >One example chart about earthly emphasis comes to mind and it belongs to the >last Czarinna of Russia, Alexandra, the wife of the last Czar Nicholas. >Alexandra (6th June 1872 3.45 LMT -0.34.39 Darmstadt, Germany 49N53 08E40) >had all the vedic planets except Jupiter and Saturn in sidereal Taurus and >her Ascendant was also there. > >Alexandra was a deeply religious and mystically inclined woman who turned >the head of her weak husband wherever she liked, or rather where Rasputin >liked. Alexandra was completely under spell of Rasputin whom she thought was >a saint, an ascetic and a holy man... The fact that Alexandra came under the influence of Rasputin is more likely due to Rahu on the ascendant closely conjunct the Sun and Moon. Her devotion to Rasputin was due to the fact that she believed he could help her son who had hemophelia. Other circumstances of Alexandra's life reflect her many planets in a Venus ruled sign: She was well schooled and learned history, literature and geography. She also kept meticulous accounts of finances when she became Tzarina. (This can all be related to Taurus as a mental sign of learning.) She had an excellent memory (Moon exalted in Taurus) and exellent handwriting. She liked music and enjoyed needlepoint. Victoria also had four daughters before her son was born. This may be the result of so many planets in a female sign. It may be true that anyone with the nodes prominent can be in danger of coming under occult influences either from drugs, alcohol or a powerful individual. >The picture of Alexandra fits to Raman's description of earth fine. >According to my own observations there is certain romantic sentimentality or >romantic attachment...(in 'earth' signs) I am not sure of this. You would have to give some more examples. The Moon is generally considered to be the romantic and sentimental, and Alexandra had it near her ascendant. Of course the Moon would express strongly in Taurus, and that would contribute to the Moon's emotional nature. But the Moon may not express that way in Virgo and Capricorn. Do you have the birth data for Rasputin? Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Therese wrote: Do you have the birth data for Rasputin? Sari: Not better than whan you can find in AstroDatabank (classified as DD). Best, Sari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 HI Sari, Thanks for Alexandra's data. Noel Tyl says Rasputin has 1258 sets of birth data so there's no loss in trying 8:56 am LMT which puts his Saturn-MC exactly opposite her Sun New Moon with his ASC-Mercury exactly trining them. Rasputin had endowments both heavenly and earthly. One of them in a glass bottle in a Russian museum can be found on the internet. Have a look at this chart. The Romanov's, " our friend " , Grigory...holy, venal, magician, prophet...seems to have brought her life to a sort of fulfillment. Russian aristocracy seemed to cry out at that time for such a correction necessarily unstable and transitory that would have to usher in a monolith and make the whole thing new. Dark*Star ________________________________ " Sari M. " wrote: > One example chart about earthly emphasis comes to mind and it belongs to the > last Czarinna of Russia, Alexandra, the wife of the last Czar Nicholas. > Alexandra (6th June 1872 3.45 LMT -0.34.39 Darmstadt, Germany 49N53 08E40) > Alexandra was a deeply religious and mystically inclined woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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