Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Hello All. I now have three charts to examine as basis charts for measuring the US Senate Filibusters against. I will have to now test each of the three charts by running PSSRs to see which applies. I'll offer some preliminary comments for now. In each of the following cases, I have printed a bi-wheel chart with the basis/natal chart in the center (and whose angles are the MC and ASC as printed) with the US Senate Filibuster Challenge chart positions (May 23, 2005 @ 8:00 pm) printed against those angles. FIRST; the G. Washington Inauguration and first joint session of Congress (and full Senate attending) using April 20, 1789 @ 1:20 pm in NYC, NY. This TROPICAL chart has an MC of 1-14 Gemini and an ASC of 5-33 Virgo. The S.Node is at the MC @ 29-37 Taurus. What is immediately striking is the Challenge (May 23, 2005) ASC angle at the IC of the Inauguration/First Meeting chart at 29-41 Scorpio. Of course there is an interval of 216 years and no precession applied yet. The Challenge Moon is also near the IC at 5-00 Sag and also near the nodal axis. SECOND; the US Senate Convening chart (March 4, 1789 @ 12:01 pm) had the Challenge Chart MC at the IC and Challenge Chart Mars transiting the Convening Chart SUN -- Mars at 16 Pisces, Sun at 14 Pisces. Again, these are Tropical charts and no precession has yet been applied to the 216 year interval. THIRD; the US Senate First Quorum chart (April 6, 1789 @12:01 pm, NYC, NY) has the Challenge nodal axis on the MC-IC (N.Node at 20-45 Aries near the Quorum MC of 16-59 Aries). The Quorum chart is distinct in that its Uranus is at the ASC (0-45 Leo for Uranus and 1- 30 Leo for the Quorum ASC). So, these are the three charts which I will test, applying the precession factor to the prior & following Solar Returns, and then the PSSR angular displacement charts to see which may best (if at all) illustrate the " filibuster " events of the Senate. To again summarize my approach in this exercise, my use of the PSSR charts is to ignore the signs (using them only as a measurement/placement reference), use only the angles, and use primarily the planets at/near the angles, and use the conjunction-opposition-square- paransquare aspects. I make use of the interpretation of angles at angles as well as planets at angles. I'm not sure that many other " siderealists " do this. I hope this study proves worthwhile and of interest to the list. Again, thank you to those who have so kindly offered comments and information. Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Hi Dave, I just wish to re-state and clarify a few points to help you along the way: (01) The first " season " of Congress (House & Senate) was from March 4, 1789 until September 30, 1789. (02) House and Senate met in their respective chambers each working day of the " season " at an 11:00 am start time. So I re-iterate here: They met at 11:00 am on March 4, as well; not at 12:01 pm (03) First " quorum " was achieved on April 06, 1789 at 11:00 am; not at 12:01 pm (04) First " joint session " of the Congress, to count the Electoral College votes, was held on this first quorum day, on April 06, 1789, at 1:30 pm, two hours and thirty minutes into the working day. (05) The " second joint session " of Congress was convened on Inauguration day, April 30, just a few minutes before 12:00 pm. However, the Senate " filibuster " was already well under way, having started virtually at the sound of John Adams' call-to-order gavel, at 11:30 am on that historic day. (06) The Hague chart for Washington's Inauguration is recitified for 1:20 pm. However, in this Sidereal group, Chris Kevill and Therese, worked out an alternative time of 1:12 pm. Either time moment is completely justified by what the historical records for that day tell us. John Dave <dadsnook wrote: Hello All. I now have three charts to examine as basis charts for measuring the US Senate Filibusters against. I will have to now test each of the three charts by running PSSRs to see which applies. I'll offer some preliminary comments for now. In each of the following cases, I have printed a bi-wheel chart with the basis/natal chart in the center (and whose angles are the MC and ASC as printed) with the US Senate Filibuster Challenge chart positions (May 23, 2005 @ 8:00 pm) printed against those angles. FIRST; the G. Washington Inauguration and first joint session of Congress (and full Senate attending) using April 20, 1789 @ 1:20 pm in NYC, NY. This TROPICAL chart has an MC of 1-14 Gemini and an ASC of 5-33 Virgo. The S.Node is at the MC @ 29-37 Taurus. What is immediately striking is the Challenge (May 23, 2005) ASC angle at the IC of the Inauguration/First Meeting chart at 29-41 Scorpio. Of course there is an interval of 216 years and no precession applied yet. The Challenge Moon is also near the IC at 5-00 Sag and also near the nodal axis. SECOND; the US Senate Convening chart (March 4, 1789 @ 12:01 pm) had the Challenge Chart MC at the IC and Challenge Chart Mars transiting the Convening Chart SUN -- Mars at 16 Pisces, Sun at 14 Pisces. Again, these are Tropical charts and no precession has yet been applied to the 216 year interval. THIRD; the US Senate First Quorum chart (April 6, 1789 @12:01 pm, NYC, NY) has the Challenge nodal axis on the MC-IC (N.Node at 20-45 Aries near the Quorum MC of 16-59 Aries). The Quorum chart is distinct in that its Uranus is at the ASC (0-45 Leo for Uranus and 1- 30 Leo for the Quorum ASC). So, these are the three charts which I will test, applying the precession factor to the prior & following Solar Returns, and then the PSSR angular displacement charts to see which may best (if at all) illustrate the " filibuster " events of the Senate. To again summarize my approach in this exercise, my use of the PSSR charts is to ignore the signs (using them only as a measurement/placement reference), use only the angles, and use primarily the planets at/near the angles, and use the conjunction-opposition-square- paransquare aspects. I make use of the interpretation of angles at angles as well as planets at angles. I'm not sure that many other " siderealists " do this. I hope this study proves worthwhile and of interest to the list. Again, thank you to those who have so kindly offered comments and information. Dave. " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 John, thank you again for the time clarification. My initial sense is to focus on the Quorum chart for April 6, 1789 -- now at 11:00 am. I'll also relocate it to DC for testing later filibuster events as well as the recent crises and then precess the SRs. We'll see what we get. Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Hi Dave. Sounds fine. There's very good historical justification for treating April 6, 1789 @ 11:00 am as the birth chart of the united States Congress (House & Senate). The September 13, 1788 resolves of Congress under the first constitution, the Articles of Confederation, scheduled the opening of the First Federal Congress for Wednesday, March 4, 1789. This scheduling assumed a quorum and, as well, the counting of the Electoral College votes by a joint session of Congress on that date. As a result of delays of over a month in the arrival of newly elected members of Congress, proceedings under the new Constitution only commenced on April 6th. This became the Congressional start date of record under the Constitution. John Dave <dadsnook wrote: John, thank you again for the time clarification. My initial sense is to focus on the Quorum chart for April 6, 1789 -- now at 11:00 am. I'll also relocate it to DC for testing later filibuster events as well as the recent crises and then precess the SRs. We'll see what we get. Dave. " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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