Filibuster charts -- a first look

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I created a chart for the US Senate which met for the first time in

New York City on March 4, 1789. I used a time of 12:01 PM as many

meetings were set for noon when the city clocks struck. Using this

date/time, the following is noted:

 

1) The MC is 11-42 Pisces, the ASC is at 4-33 Cancer.

2) Sun & Saturn are at the MC; Sun at 14-36 and Saturn at 13-39.

This pair squares Moon at 11-28 Gemini in the 12th. Saturn is often

seen at/near the MC in politicians charts and successful election

charts.

3) Venus, Mars and Pluto are all in Aquarius in the 9th.

 

Using the event of last evening where a Senate conflict over the use

of the filibuster, and a time of 8:00 pm to represent the meeting of

the 14 moderate Senators, this Washington DC chart had these

features:

4) The May 23, 2005 MC was essentially reversed and at the founding

chart's IC. The current Sun position was on the founding nodal axis

at the south node, the Moon opposite at the North Node while Mars

was transiting the founding Sun position at 16 Pisces (showing the

challenge and struggle over the past few days).

 

I haven't yet had the time to run all/some of the filibuster dates

and events against Solar Returns and PSSR's -- I'd like to see if

anyone had different data or suggestions about the basis chart for

the US Senate. However, the chart I used did seem to have

appropriate symbology and the current transits do support that chart

to a reasonable degree. This might be an interesting exercise. Dave.

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, " Dave " <dadsnook@c...>

wrote:

> I created a chart for the US Senate which met for the first time in

> New York City on March 4, 1789. I used a time of 12:01 PM as many

> meetings were set for noon when the city clocks struck. Using this

> date/time, the following is noted:

>

> 1) The MC is 11-42 Pisces, the ASC is at 4-33 Cancer.

> 2) Sun & Saturn are at the MC; Sun at 14-36 and Saturn at 13-39.

> This pair squares Moon at 11-28 Gemini in the 12th. Saturn is

often

> seen at/near the MC in politicians charts and successful election

> charts.

> 3) Venus, Mars and Pluto are all in Aquarius in the 9th.

>

> Using the event of last evening where a Senate conflict over the

use

> of the filibuster, and a time of 8:00 pm to represent the meeting

of

> the 14 moderate Senators, this Washington DC chart had these

> features:

> 4) The May 23, 2005 MC was essentially reversed and at the

founding

> chart's IC. The current Sun position was on the founding nodal

axis

> at the south node, the Moon opposite at the North Node while Mars

> was transiting the founding Sun position at 16 Pisces (showing the

> challenge and struggle over the past few days).

>

> I haven't yet had the time to run all/some of the filibuster dates

> and events against Solar Returns and PSSR's -- I'd like to see if

> anyone had different data or suggestions about the basis chart for

> the US Senate. However, the chart I used did seem to have

> appropriate symbology and the current transits do support that

chart

> to a reasonable degree. This might be an interesting exercise.

Dave.

 

 

Hi Dave,

 

First the URLs I gave for filibuster data from www.senate.gov won't

work now, except by breaking them down, going to senate.gov first and

then, " art and history " .....

 

 

At

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Senate_Eight.htm

I found the following the info below and April 6 equally relevant.

Nelle

 

 

 

1787-1800

 

March 4, 1789

The Senate Eight

 

Federal Hall, New York City

 

" On March 4, 1789, eight conscientious senators overcame difficult

late winter travel conditions to reach the nation's temporary capital

in New York City. Ê Eleven states had by then ratified the

Constitution. ÊOut of the twenty-two eligible senators, the Senate

needed twelve present to achieve a quorum.

 

" At the appointed hour for the new government to begin, the eight

senators-elect climbed the stairs of New York's old city hall. Hoping

to convince Congress to make New York the nation's permanent capital,

city leaders had recently named that building Federal Hall (pictured)

and tripled its size. ÊWhen the " Senate eight " reached their elegant

chamber on the building's top story, the Senate literally became the

" Upper House. "

 

" All eight were men of distinction in government and politics. ÊMost

had served in their state legislatures and the Continental Congress.

Six were framers of the Constitution. Ê

 

" New Hampshire's John Langdon would become the Senate's first

president pro tempore. ÊConnecticut sent William Samuel Johnson and

Oliver Ellsworth. ÊAs a senator, Johnson would continue in his other

jobÑpresident of Columbia University. ÊOliver Ellsworth was best

known for his proposal at the Constitutional Convention creating the

Senate as a body that represented the states equallyÑthe so-called

Connecticut Compromise.

 

" Pennsylvania sent William Maclay, who would keep the only detailed

record of what happened behind the Senate's closed doors during the

precedent-setting First Congress. ÊHis Pennsylvania colleague was

Robert Morris. ÊOne of the nation's wealthiest men, Morris had helped

to finance the American Revolution and signed both the Declaration of

Independence and the Constitution. ÊMorris would end his career in

debtors' prison.

 

" Without a quorum, the eight senators wrote to their missing

colleagues " earnest[ly] requesting that you will be so obliging as to

attend as soon as possible. " ÊTwo weeks passed before William

Paterson ambled over from New Jersey and Richard Bassett arrived from

Delaware. ÊThis left the Senate two members short of a quorum, as the

House of Representatives waited impatiently on the floor below.

Finally, on April 6, the necessary twelfth member arrived. ÊThe

Senate then turned to its first order of businessÑcertifying the

election of George WashingtonÑfive weeks after his presidential term

had officially begun.

 

" This delay created the first opportunity in American history for

those critical of the Senate's slower pace to charge that its manner

of doing business threatened a constitutional crisis. ÊIt would not

be the last such opportunity. "