Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 I am looking for sites that have interpretations of sidereal sign and house placements. I already have a sidereal chart but not the meanings and significance of these placements and I would like to research this. I have been able to find tropical interpretation listings throughout the internet but no such luck for sidereal placements. Anyone here know of any sites? Thanks so much murti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Murti, Astrologia longa, vita breve... You can use the tropical interpretations for sidereal placements with every confidence. Dark*Star _________________________________ murti333 wrote: > I am looking for sites that have interpretations of sidereal sign and > house placements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 , Dark Star <pansophia@e...> wrote: > > Murti, > > Astrologia longa, vita breve... > You can use the tropical interpretations for sidereal placements with every > confidence. > > Dark*Star > _________________________________ > > murti333 wrote: > > > I am looking for sites that have interpretations of sidereal sign and > > house placements. Okay, thank you. I was told in another site by a tropical astrologer that this was impossible because of the differences between the two methods? Devi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Devi, > , Dark Star <pansophia@e...> wrote: > > > > Murti, > > > > Astrologia longa, vita breve... > > You can use the tropical interpretations for sidereal placements with every > > confidence. > > > > Dark*Star > > _________________________________ > > > > murti333 wrote: > > > > > I am looking for sites that have interpretations of sidereal sign and > > > house placements. > > Okay, thank you. I was told in another site by a tropical astrologer that this was impossible > because of the differences between the two methods? That's not totally false. You will see few differences between Hindu and Western astrology (for instance in planetary symbolysm) but the signs keep the same definitions. They are define by their triplicity, quadruplicity, ruler and exalted planet. To some extent also by the planet that debilitated in them. Also, hindu astrologer usually give the qualities of signs by refering to their rulers, which is probably safer in sidereal astrology, if we understand the qualities signs as seasonal (cardinal, fixed, ocommon). So, if we have the in Aries, it is like having a Moon-Mars conjunction... -- Best regards, François CARRIERE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Hello Therese, In my experience, the tropical delineations apply tropically only towards the end of the tropical sign, ie, sidereally in the tropical sign too. I have found that tropical delineations apply to the sidereal signs much better. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 At 10:26 PM 3/5/05 -0800, Dark*Star wrote: > >You can use the tropical interpretations for sidereal placements with every >confidence. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This makes no sense whatsoever as the same area of the sky cannot have two conflicting meanings. Anyone who wants to study sidereal astrology has to realize that the interpretation of signs has never been adequately explored. All we have are the opinions of individual astrologers, sometimes supported by a little research with horoscopes. What most sidereal astrologers will agree on, however, is that sidereal *dispositors* of planets will give more accurate interpretations. But many astrologers of the Fagan school don't use dispositors. They have been used in India, however, for centuries, and Jyotish astrologers swear by them. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 At 12:51 PM 3/6/05 EST, Sandy wrote: > >In my experience, the tropical delineations apply tropically only towards >the end of the tropical sign, ie, sidereally in the tropical sign too. I have >found that tropical delineations apply to the sidereal signs much better. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Sandy, Can you give us some examples from real life--people who you know or famous people that we all know? On another forum that I visit sometimes, a woman (Sue) with her Sun near the end of Tropical Leo and at three degrees of sidereal Leo wrote: " Now, I have never, ever identified with the [Tropoical] Leo Sun personality description...After reading 'Virgo justifies its existence by how effective it is in getting along in the world and making the best of it. The emphasis on total individuality is gone...The Virgo type needs little social recognition for the quality of its workmanship; its sense of acheivement is based on knowing it has done the job well...(Hand, Horoscope Symbols, p. 222) " Tropical Virgo/Sidereal Leos are sometimes seen as quiet and shy, but in reality, this sign finds its satisfaction and reward within itself and in its work. Like the Sun, this sign simply does the work it feels drawn to do. As Robert Hand says, " Its sense of acheivement is based on knowing it has done the job well... " (Lost Zodiac site) (Sue continues): " I thought this is a much closer description for my outward personality than it would be if I had been in the earlier decans that move into the Leo/Cancer sidereal placements. " ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The early sidereal fathers sometimes wrote about how today's Tropical sign observations fit the underlying sidereal sign better. But after these men died, there hasn't been much work done on the signs. The most comprehensive book on how the signs have changed over the years is siderealist Rupert Gleadow's YOUR CHARACTER IN THE ZODIAC. He points out, for example, that sidereal Cancer is the consummate politician. Not so in the Tropical zodiac where Cancer is said to be the sign of home and the mother. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Therese, Perhaps you have an inner planet of low degrees that doesn't change between sidereal and tropical? Are you giving one delineation to one and another to the other? The first 30 degrees of your personal Draconic chart are Arien in nature as the first 30 degrees of Aleister Crowley's Golden Dawn zodiac starting with Regulus are Arien in nature. An immutable concept. Dark*Star ________________________________ Therese Hamilton wrote: > At 10:26 PM 3/5/05 -0800, Dark*Star wrote: > > > >You can use the tropical interpretations for sidereal placements with every > >confidence. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > This makes no sense whatsoever as the same area of the sky cannot have two > conflicting meanings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Sandy, Therese and DS, We all have our hardened allegiances on this question. I don't know how resolvable the whole question is, either by recourse to dispositors, planets near the end or beginning of signs, or whatnot. Signs are well down the list of astrological influences, it becomes possible to see anything one wants with them. Only a large scale stat. study might somehow shed some light on the question and even then, I might be reluctant to accept the findings. In the end, our biases are formed from early experiences with the zodiacs, possibly with our own charts. Am I a tropical Cancer Moon or a sidereal Gemini Moon? Gemini makes more sense to me, but there are enough functional equivalents in my own chart for extra Gemini/Mercury energy that the question cannot be answered definitively. In my search for the best zodiac for me, I found that rulerships were the most persuasive in pushing me to the sidereal side of things. cheers, Chris --- SandyMoonstar wrote: > > Hello Therese, > > In my experience, the tropical delineations apply tropically only > towards > the end of the tropical sign, ie, sidereally in the tropical sign too. > I have > found that tropical delineations apply to the sidereal signs much > better. > > Sandy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 > That's not totally false. You will see few differences between Hindu and > Western astrology (for instance in planetary symbolysm) but the signs keep > the same definitions. They are define by their triplicity, quadruplicity, > ruler and exalted planet. To some extent also by the planet that debilitated > in them. > > Also, hindu astrologer usually give the qualities of signs by refering to > their rulers, which is probably safer in sidereal astrology, if we > understand the qualities signs as seasonal (cardinal, fixed, ocommon). So, > if we have the in Aries, it is like having a Moon-Mars conjunction... > > -- > Best regards, > François CARRIERE okay, so for me born july 26 1977 in los angeles CA. I would look to the rulers of cancer and scorpio which would be the moon and mars? I know this would not be the end of it, but is it a good place to start? murti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 > That's not totally false. You will see few differences between Hindu and > Western astrology (for instance in planetary symbolysm) but the signs keep > the same definitions. They are define by their triplicity, quadruplicity, > ruler and exalted planet. To some extent also by the planet that debilitated > in them. > > Also, hindu astrologer usually give the qualities of signs by refering to > their rulers, which is probably safer in sidereal astrology, if we > understand the qualities signs as seasonal (cardinal, fixed, ocommon). So, > if we have the in Aries, it is like having a Moon-Mars conjunction... > > -- > Best regards, > François CARRIERE okay, so for me born july 26 1977 in los angeles CA. I would look to the rulers of cancer and scorpio which would be the moon and mars? I know this would not be the end of it, but is it a good place to start? murti born at 7:15am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 At 05:39 PM 3/6/05 -0800, Dark*Star wrote: > >Therese, > >Perhaps you have an inner planet of low degrees that doesn't change between >sidereal and tropical? Are you giving one delineation to one and another to the >other? D*S, My Venus is in both Tropical and Sidereal Virgo, elevated and square the ascendant by 9 minutes. I would expect it to behave like Tropical Libra in the Tropical system. That is to say, sidereal Virgo whose lord is Mercury. All my artistic effort goes into writing (Mercury), but my family says I'm 'the embodiment of change.' This would be Tropical Libra which is really sidereal Virgo whose lord is mutable Mercury. How's that for confusion! Tropical Libra/sidereal Virgo tends to see all sides to all questions, which is why I'm lousy at prediction. > The first 30 degrees of your personal Draconic chart are Arien in nature as the >first 30 degrees of Aleister Crowley's Golden Dawn zodiac starting with Regulus >are Arien in nature. An immutable concept. I'm not sure how this relates to the two zodiacs, and the Draconic zodiac is rather a mystery to me--I've never worked with it. I don't much care for Crowley, so wouldn't put faith in what he says. (Just my personal take.) Have you read Decker and Dummett's A HISTORY OF THE OCCULT TAROT? There's an interesting description of the evolution of ideas within the occult fraternities in there, including the Golden Dawn. It seems that nothing is as esoteric and mysterious as we're led to believe. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Therese, Thanks I'll check it out --ready for something like this just now. ________________________________ Therese Hamilton wrote: > Have you read Decker and Dummett's A HISTORY OF THE OCCULT TAROT? There's > an interesting description of the evolution of ideas within the occult > fraternities in there, including the Golden Dawn. It seems that nothing is > as esoteric and mysterious as we're led to believe. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 > " murti333 " <murti333 >> That's not totally false. You will see few differences between Hindu and Western astrology (for instance in planetary symbolysm) but the signs keep the same definitions. They are define by their triplicity, quadruplicity, ruler and exalted planet. To some extent also by the planet that debilitated in them. >> Also, hindu astrologer usually give the qualities of signs by refering to their rulers, which is probably safer in sidereal astrology, if we uunderstand the qualities signs as seasonal (cardinal, fixed, ocommon). So, if we have the in Aries, it is like having a Moon-Mars conjunction... > okay, so for me born july 26 1977 in los angeles CA. I would look to the rulers of cancer and scorpio which would be the moon and mars? I know this would not be the end of it, but is it a good place to start? Yes. If you are born around midnight. you will also look at angular planets, such as Pluto and Neptune, which will describe you as well. -- Regards, François CARRIERE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 , " Francois CARRIERE " <jyeshta@g...> wrote: > > " murti333 " <murti333> > >> > > okay, so for me born july 26 1977 in los angeles CA USA. I would look to the > rulers of cancer and scorpio which would be the moon and mars? I know this > would not be the end of it, but is it a good place to start? > > Yes. If you are born around midnight. you will also look at angular planets, > such as Pluto and Neptune, which will describe you as well. > > -- > Regards, > François CARRIERE Thanks Francois : ) I wanted to add that I was born at 7:15 AM not midnight but my sidereal chart still gave me the positions of sun in cancer and moon in scorpio thus the rulers moon and mars?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Hello, " murti333 " <murti333 >> > okay, so for me born july 26 1977 in los angeles CA USA. I would look to the rulers of cancer and scorpio which would be the moon and mars? I know this would not be the end of it, but is it a good place to start? >> Yes. If you are born around midnight. you will also look at angular planets, such as Pluto and Neptune, which will describe you as well. > I wanted to add that I was born at 7:15 AM not midnight but my sidereal chart still gave me the positions of sun in cancer and moon in scorpio thus the rulers moon and mars?? Right. Then the Moon rules both your Ascendant and Sun. Mars (and Pluto, to some extent) rule the Moon. It is interesting to note that the Moon receives aspect from both of its rulers, Mars (opposition) and Pluto (sextile). Problems from the social area and support from the surroundings, for example, may happen from time to time... I like this Neptune, ruler of IX, for astrology ;-) -- Regards, François Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 , " Francois CARRIERE " <jyeshta@g...> wrote: > > Hello, > > " murti333 " <murti333> > > >> > okay, so for me born july 26 1977 in los angeles CA USA. I would look > to the rulers of cancer and scorpio which would be the moon and mars? I know > this would not be the end of it, but is it a good place to start? > > >> Yes. If you are born around midnight. you will also look at angular > planets, such as Pluto and Neptune, which will describe you as well. > > > I wanted to add that I was born at 7:15 AM not midnight but my sidereal > chart still gave me the positions of sun in cancer and moon in scorpio thus > the rulers moon and mars?? > > Right. Then the Moon rules both your Ascendant and Sun. Mars (and Pluto, to > some extent) rule the Moon. It is interesting to note that the Moon receives > aspect from both of its rulers, Mars (opposition) and Pluto (sextile). > Problems from the social area and support from the surroundings, for > example, may happen from time to time... > > I like this Neptune, ruler of IX, for astrology ;-) > > -- > Regards, François Yes, you are so right. I am more of an introvert. I seem to have a good amount of water signs. : ) Thanks again for all your help. Blessings murti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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