India's birth charts/In further Reply to Therese

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Hi Therese

 

Sorry about the previous message being an incomplete reply. A household matter

distracted me.

 

Based on what I have maintained in my previous reply about the birthcharts of

the Indian State and the Indian Government: now a very brief statement on when

one, the STATE, or the other, the GOVERNMENT, is analytically, mundane

astrologically, appropriate to an event.

 

The way forward suggests a " parallax " methodological view. Meaning in practice:

Both charts ought to be consulted, whether or not they tell the same or similar

story. In the modern era over most of the world the State is democratic in

organization and in theory is supposed to represent the political interests of

the population at large. A constitution is ostensibly designed to serve these

interests in defining the limits of the Government, the Government being the

agency of the State. Major events impacting a nation shall undoubtedly impact

both the State and Government charts, but not necessarily to the same degree or

extent and not necessarily in the same direction.

 

For example, the event of the WTC of Sept 11, 2001: One should reasonably look

at the birthchart of the USA, ie, the American State, for evidences of the

severity of the adverse impact on the nation; yet the birthchart of the

Government of the USA may well show no such adversity given that the role of the

federal government in the nation at large has been enhanced, not impaired, in

numerous respects by that event; however perverse it may appear at first glance.

Even further, the Government's birthchart may well evidence outright benefit

from such an adversity: witness expanded government spending; growth in

employment dependant on government spending; expanded military overseas in

pursuit of the malefactors; with the domestic national security governmental

apparatus expanding at a galloping rate, and so on. At a first glance an

astrologer ought to take seriously that this event may register on the

Government's birthchart as a golden opportunity, as much as it may register as a

debacle on the State's birth chart.

 

Of course, I get ahead of myself with the foregoing line of reasoning in regard

to my operating assumption, that there are in fact two birth charts for the

American nation, as there are for India, Pakistan, Indonesia and numerous other

post-Enlightenment new nations. I don't expect many astrologers to readily

accept what would be my contention in a related conversation about the Charts

for the American nation: that the U.S. State (as " limited " pre-constitutional

union of 13 states) was born on July 2, 1776 and that the U.S. Government was

born on March 1, 1781. Based on the detail of history, political science and

constitutional law I can readily argue my case, and I do believe the facts shall

bear me out. But that topic ought to be left to another conversation, as I've

already mentioned.

 

By the way, the finest mind in the history of American academia, specializing in

political science and constitutional law, was John W. Burgess, who founded the

Department of Political Science at Columbia University. In 1933 his book THE

FOUNDATIONS OF POLITICAL SCIENCE (reprinted in 1992 by Transactions Books)

devoted most of the text to explaining in distinguishing the conceptual

realities of NATION, STATE and GOVERNMENT. Based on lines of thought in his

analysis, there probably is a third birthchart yet to be discovered, one for the

American nation itself, born before the Revolutionary War started, based not on

poltical or governmental dimensions, but those of ethnology and linguistics. Yet

be that as it may, Burgess' book is indispensible to mundane astrology if it is

ever to be a fully developed science in its own right. Competent astrological

technique is necessary but insufficient to the mundane mission.

 

In closing, an analogy: When one refers to the relationships of parents to their

child, one is naturally mindful of when one is talking about the child, and when

about the parents. So too with the State and the Government.

 

John

 

Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote:

Thanks, John. could you give a definition of what each of these birth chart

means? I mean the difference between when a state chart would be used and

when the government chart would be considered?

 

Therese

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At 12:16 PM 1/27/05 +0000, John wrote:

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>The nation of India has (#1) a birth chart for the nation state and (#2) a

birth chart for the national government:

>

>#1: STATE:

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>August 15, 1947 @ 12:00 am -5:30 INT ... New Delhi

>

>#2: GOVERNMENT:

>

>January 26, 1950 @ 10:15 am -5:30 INT ... New Delhi

 

 

 

 

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