[PoliticalAstrology] Possible charts for the Buddha

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Jim Shawvan wrote:

 

>Aloha --

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>I am sending this message in the hope that I will get some good

>feedback from the people on this list.

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>Tradition has it that Siddhartha Gautama, later known as the Buddha

>Sakyamuni, was born on a Full Moon in the western month of May, with

>the Sun in tropical Taurus and the Moon in tropical Scorpio. There is

>universal agreement on the location -- he was born in Lumbini Park,

>Kapilavastu, Nepal. There is also a fainter tradition claiming that

>he was born at noon. The year is in question, however -- there are at

>least two different ways of relating the dates of his life to the

>Western calendar.

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>The web site of C. M. Tan states that the Buddha was born in 623 BC.

>Tan agrees that he was born on the day of the Full Moon in May, but

>gives no time. That date works out to May 15 OS (Old Style, Julian).

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>A more commonly accepted year is 563 BC. According to the program

>from the 2004 Hanamatsuri Festival at Vista Buddhist Temple, Vista,

>California, the Buddha was born on April 8, 563 BC, in Kapilavastu, no

>time given. The problem with this date is that it does not give a

>Full Moon, nor does it give the Sun in Taurus! If we assume April 8

>OS, we have an Aries Sun and a Leo Moon, whereas if we use April 8 NS,

>Solar Fire converts it to April 14 OS, giving an Aries Sun and a

>Scorpio Moon. Clearly, whoever wrote the program notes was not an

>expert on the calendar, and was simply repeating something

>uncritically, without investigation. These dates virtually have to be

>wrong.

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>However, if we try to think of the calendar as Asians do, why not the

>15th day of the 4th lunar month? That would automatically give us a

>Full Moon, since the Moon is always full on the 15th day of each Asian

>lunar month.

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>Then the question becomes which lunar calendar we are talking about,

>i.e., when did the FIRST lunar month begin? Here I'm taking a bit of

>a leap, but it may be justified -- only time will tell if this leads

>to anything productive. The Chinese calendar, I am told, has its New

>Year on the first New Moon after the Sun enters tropical Aquarius, in

>effect. Let's try assuming that our source was referring to this type

>of lunar calendar without understanding its relationship to the

>western calendar -- a typical layman's mistake. Solar Fire can easily

>find the first New Moon in tropical Aquarius in 563 BC, and the

>subsequent New and Full Moons, as it can for any year.

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>It turns out that the 15th day of the 4th lunar month, counting in

>this way, was May 11, 563 BC, Old Style. Solar Fire finds that the

>Full Moon was exact on that date at 12:15:37 pm LMT (-5:33:04) at

>Kapilavastu, virtually giving a noon chart, which agrees with

>tradition in that respect.

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>For those who want to play with this, and may not have the ACS Atlas,

>Kapilavastu is at 27N28 83E16.

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>The tropical chart for the moment of this Full Moon has its ASC in the

>22nd degree of Leo and its Sun near the MC -- not a bad match for a

>person who spent the first 29 years of his life as a pampered prince,

>and then, after his Enlightenment, led a group of thousands of

>followers from age 35 until his death at age 80. In terms of his

>effect on the public, Buddha Sakyamuni was the nearest thing to a rock

>star that had ever been seen in the region of ancient India where he

>taught (now Bihar). Some local rulers are said to have issued decrees

>forbidding their farmers and townspeople from running away and joining

>his order!

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>The planets' placements by houses and signs look plausible to me as

>well. I'd love to get reactions or other suggested charts, from

>whoever is interested.

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>Metta,

>Jim Shawvan

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> According to B.V. Raman's Notable Horoscopes p25, Sri Gortam Buddha was born

14 April 623 BC at about Midday at

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27 N 08' 83 E 05'. He based this on some of the traditional scriptures,

as well as events in Gortama's life. Frankly neither his reasoning nor

his resorting to scripture are convening.

 

Bert Fannin

 

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