Mars/Venus, Cyril Fagan on Zodiac Signs

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At 01:01 AM 1/7/05 -0800, Dark*Star wrote:

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>The astrologers grab out of mythology what they want and shove the

>rest back on the shelf. The Chiron people totally ignore that Chiron

>was so super masculine that the gods killed every one of his children

>for punishment. They just see everybody including boot blacks and

>ribbon clerks as walking wounded healers.

 

D*S,

 

I won't disagree with you on that one.

 

>I don't know how return charts can be read if Venus means peace

>and also by the way, not peace. In mundane Mars means war and

>Venus peace.

 

I have no argument with you there. The planets represent universal

concepts. For example in India the basic meanings of Venus are the same,

though there is no relationship there to western mythology. As I mentioned

briefly in my earlier post, the planets aren't the signs. What I was

complaining about re: Cyril Fagan is that he transferred pure Venusian

meanings to Libra when Libra is actually a combination of two

constellations (perhaps more than two, taking into consideration

constellations further from the ecliptic), plus some of the mythology of

Venus and Saturn.

 

So I'd say that the pure expression of a planet doesn't necessarily have a

relationship to western mythology. But I believe that the signs can in part

be related to western myth. The astrology of sign traits evolved here in

the west. I've explained this in part on my web site. (Aries, Taurus and

Gemini so far)

http://users.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm

 

You're welcome to debate any of my conclusions-in-process. Nothing is set

in stone.

 

>Let's look at the Great War. The declaration of which is shown in

>the Cancer Ingress of July 16, 1914 (I used Washington). Mars is

>in the 8th. and having attained higher degree stands above her in

>excellent Leo with an exact trine from Moon close to the IC.

>Venus also in Leo with little going for her and must submit.

 

A good analysis. I didn't mean to say that the planet Venus had anything to

do with war. Libra, Taurus, Venus. Each one is different.

 

>>The Armistice is shown Oct. 18, 1918 in the Libra Ingress...Mercury (your

mediator) in Libra is brokering the peace.

 

Yes, Mercury and the Sun are in the sign Libra, and their dispositor is

Venus in Virgo, ruled by Mercury, the go-between. Also the Sun and Mercury

are in the constellation of Virgo, not Libra. (Why we have to distinguish

between signs and constellations.) Libra as a sign can be said to represent

'a coming together.' However, it isn't necessarily peaceful. Two different

concepts. One is psychological, the other an action.

 

So, in constellational terms, Virgo is the dominent influence. (I don't

have the time for the ingress or armistice--I checked the planets for the day.

 

Therese