Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Dear Astrologers, May the Blessings of Heaven rest upon you. May you all have a Happy New Year! (Pardon the cross-posting.) Earlier this month, I saw that Senator Clinton had hired a pretty big gun to run some of her political affairs and that this woman, I have forgotten her name, is more a national than senatorial in her scope of operations. This, among other things, has stirred up the notion in my noggin that Sen. Clinton is actually going to bid to become the Democratic candidate for President in 2008. I watch with amusement this red state-blue state dust cloud; but as astrologers, we know that the Cycles of Time dictate the course of events that unfold before us. For me, it is difficult to get to excited about this as one can see in the Heavens at least the general direction of these Tides. Evenso, I am fascinated by the swell of emotion over this next election. I see it as a very polarizing nexus in American life and politics. So, I have begun a project to determine if Senator Clinton will run and if so, if she will win. I had not previously minded the Clintons and thus had no data on them. I have made a websearch and have compiled a mess of conflicting data. So, in order to get things right, I will have to rectify Senator Clinton's radical chart. So, I am asking if any have good, reliable dates for events in Senator Clinton's life that they can send to me either publicly or privately. Likewise, I have conflicting data for Chelsea Clinton birthday and time. I never checked on the former Prez, but I seem to think that his data is OK. I have found the following data off the web: Born: 10-26-1946 (less likely) -- Born: 10-26-1947 http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/ClintonHillaryPRT.htm http://www1.astrospeak.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?artid=25344 http://www.grun.is/artic/hill/ -- Date of Birth- 23rd October, 1947 http://www.findyourfate.com/astrology/celebrity/Hillary.htm -- She joined the Yale Law Collage in the year 1969 and graduated in the year 1973. Their first and only girl child was born on 2-27-1980 -- She announced her candidacy in New York at 4:07 PM EST, 2/06/2000, in Purchase, NY. and was, on Nov. 7, 2000, elected Senator from New York. -- Bill and Hillary married on 10/11/1975 -- Hugh Rodham, Hillary's father, died on April 7, 1993 -- 11/3/1992 bill c elected pres. 11/7/2000 hillary elected Sen. (Venus Cycle????) -- Clinton, Chelsea - Natal Chart Feb 27 1980, 11:45 PM, CST +6:00 Little Rock Arkansas 34N44 47 092W17 22 -- Clinton, Chelsea - Natal Chart Feb 26 1980, 11:24 PM, CST +6:00 Little Rock Arkansas 34N44 47 092W17 22 As one can see, this is pretty thin. I am struck on how elusive this family is. Thank you in advance. With Kindest Regards, Ken .'. ----*-- B R T " Know therefore, that if thy Radix be kind; " ... thy Election cannot be cruel. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 >So, I have begun a project to determine if Senator Clinton will run and if so, if she will win. I had not previously minded the Clintons and thus had no data on them.< Ken, I have no other events but the time 8pm+/- on October 26, 1947, Chicago seems to fit. This will be Gemini ascendent Using the dasa system the present Venus dasa is quite good for career etc. She will be in Sun (debilitated) dasa in 2008. Su in 8th from Moon. This may not be as good for career elevation but not beyond the realms of possibility. Regards Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Thanks Ron. I don't know much about Vedic being more Classically oriented. While the Nativities of the Generals in this upcoming Battle will be more important than in this last one, but even so, these personal Nativities will be second place to those of the " two factions " , i.e., the GOP versus the Dems. I will look into the Vedic later. I find the 8:00pm time to be hightly suspect. I have been working with what I have and I think the 1946 date is completely wrong and I have moved the birth time a bit, having as a best time so far of about 8:10pm. I would prefer to have around ten dates to get a good rectification, but alas, most of us are too pedestrian to have ten significant dates. Senator Clinton, whatever one thinks of her, is of a stature to approach that number. I was and am so astounded by the lack of firm data on the family. As I wrote earlier, the family *is* elusive. I find in this kind of work that most of us ask the wrong questions when posing who will win the Presidential election. Even after sifting through the obvious bias (pro-Kerry) among astrologers who nearly always " predicted " that Kerry would win, the wrong question was " asked. " I agreed with most that Bush's radix chart, while equal to that of Kerry's was the more afflicted of the two. Kerry had " better hits " than Bush to the USA charts, albeit not by much. If Kerry and Bush duked it out in a boxing ring, Kerry would have been a clear winner. But the " war " , i.e., the election was between the GOP and the DNC, not two guys in high dollar suits. No one gets to the Candidacy for President without a kingly chart. So the question better asked is which party will prevail? And does Senator Clinton have a kingly chart? In this last case, the GOP was the " besieged " defenders and the DNC was the " sieging " army. In 2008, I am asking myself whether this will be the same or, since term limits end Mr. Bush's Presidency, will this be as two armies on a common field? For 2004, the DNC was (and still is), astrologically speaking, very weak contrasted with the GOP, which was and is very strong. This will be changing in roughly 2007. Senator Clinton can have a " difficult " chart or time cycles at the time and the DNC can still win in 2008. If that is the case, then the future President Clinton would have a bad time in office. Tentatively, I am thinking that this last scenario will be so, but I am shooting from the hip right now and my opinion now is but an idle notion in my noggin. Senator Clinton has, in the 1947 Radix, significant constellations, but Astrology is not all aspects and fluff. That is why I am keen to rectify the chart. Thanks for replying, Ron. And to all, I apologize if this thread is not appropriate for Sidereal Astrology. Ron Day wrote: > >So, I have begun a project to determine if Senator Clinton will run and >if so, if she will win. I had not previously minded the Clintons and thus >had no data on them.< > > >Ken, > >I have no other events but the time 8pm+/- on October 26, 1947, >Chicago seems to fit. This will be Gemini ascendent > >Using the dasa system the present Venus dasa is quite good for career etc. >She will be in Sun (debilitated) dasa in 2008. Su in 8th from Moon. This >may not be as good for career elevation but not beyond the realms of >possibility. > > >Regards >Ron > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Dear Ken and all Does anyone have Barak Obama's birth data? I ask only because I saw his speech and " knew " he would be president one day. Later, my pragmatic sweetie said the same thing when he hear him speak. I don't get that " feeling " about Hillary, but I sure could be wrong. c Ron Day [ron] Wednesday, December 29, 2004 2:30 AM sidereal_Astrology Re: Senator Clinton Timeline >So, I have begun a project to determine if Senator Clinton will run and if so, if she will win. I had not previously minded the Clintons and thus had no data on them.< Ken, I have no other events but the time 8pm+/- on October 26, 1947, Chicago seems to fit. This will be Gemini ascendent Using the dasa system the present Venus dasa is quite good for career etc. She will be in Sun (debilitated) dasa in 2008. Su in 8th from Moon. This may not be as good for career elevation but not beyond the realms of possibility. Regards Ron " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Tell your Barak to avoid 2008. Arnold is going for broke. D*S ________________________________ cynthianovak wrote: > Dear Ken and all > > Does anyone have Barak Obama's birth data? I ask only because I saw his > speech and " knew " he would be president one day. Later, my pragmatic > sweetie said the same thing when he hear him speak. > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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