Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Dear Members, The next New Moon in Pisces occurs on April 8, 2005. Indian astrologers use this New Moon as an indicator for the year. The upcoming New Moon is more unusual in that it also occurs at a Solar Eclipse. Another feature of the New Moon that is quite rare is that the exaltation or near exaltation degree of Venus (27 Pisces) will also be caught up in the eclipse. Researching back to 0001 AD, there is no eclipse wherein Venus comes this close to its exaltation degree. There are several where Venus is at 29 Pisces and minutes in Fagan, but these would all carry over to 0 Aries if Krishnamurti or Lahiri were used. The two that come the closest occur in 527 and 535 AD. What does it mean? Not exactly sure, but since Venus represents 'exalted' persons in the arts or perhaps spiritually, one might expect to see interesting events around this theme. Because Venus is involved in the eclipse, then one might expect great persons to be similarly eclipsed. One way might be by their 'departure' from the earthly plane. Pope John II died in 535 and there is some evidence that this was a pivotal year by way of ushering in the ensuing Dark Ages. http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/535ad.htm I'll be watching for upcoming events..... Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 NEW DARK AGES from April 8, 2005 ?? I'll buy that.......... Steven Stuckey <shastrakara wrote: Dear Members, The next New Moon in Pisces occurs on April 8, 2005. Indian astrologers use this New Moon as an indicator for the year. The upcoming New Moon is more unusual in that it also occurs at a Solar Eclipse. Another feature of the New Moon that is quite rare is that the exaltation or near exaltation degree of Venus (27 Pisces) will also be caught up in the eclipse. Researching back to 0001 AD, there is no eclipse wherein Venus comes this close to its exaltation degree. There are several where Venus is at 29 Pisces and minutes in Fagan, but these would all carry over to 0 Aries if Krishnamurti or Lahiri were used. The two that come the closest occur in 527 and 535 AD. What does it mean? Not exactly sure, but since Venus represents 'exalted' persons in the arts or perhaps spiritually, one might expect to see interesting events around this theme. Because Venus is involved in the eclipse, then one might expect great persons to be similarly eclipsed. One way might be by their 'departure' from the earthly plane. Pope John II died in 535 and there is some evidence that this was a pivotal year by way of ushering in the ensuing Dark Ages. http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/535ad.htm I'll be watching for upcoming events..... Best, Steve " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 >> The next New Moon in Pisces occurs on April 8, 2005. Indian >> astrologers use this New Moon as an indicator for the year. Why do the Indians use the New Moon in Pisces? Why not Capricorn or Aries? or any of the signs? Bert Fannin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Bert Fannin wrote > > Why do the Indians use the New Moon in Pisces? Why not Capricorn > or > Aries? or any of the signs? Hi Bert, Good question--and one I found myself asking a number of Indian astrologers over several years with no really good answer forthcoming. As far as I know, there is no mention of this chart in any Indian classical text (at least I've never seen it or had anyone knowledgeable in these texts point it out). I had the simple realization one day that this chart must be a throwback to the First Nissan Moon and is usually the closest New Moon to the vernal equinox. Since there is no mention anywhere of a New Moon in Aries or Taurus, it seems obvious this idea arose during the time the equinox was occurring in Pisces. It doesn't always happen that the New Moon closest to the equinox occurs in Pisces, as is the case with this one. The closest one occurs on March 10, 2005 in Aquarius. I would think that understanding the origins of this chart would be important for its survival. Will Indians still be calculating the New Moon in Pisces when the equinox occurs in Aquarius? I may have to reincarnate just to find out..... Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 >I would think that understanding the origins of this chart would be important for its survival. Will Indians still be calculating the New Moon in Pisces when the equinox occurs in Aquarius< Steve, Some facts I have gathered on the basis of the Pisces new moon---- 1. The current Age of Kali started on February 18,3102 B.C. when all the planets were in the same house. This was Chaitra Shukla Pratipada. ie the new moon in Pisces(March-April) 2. One day of Brahma encompasses units of time called yugas and is called kalpa 3.The begining of each Kalpa falls on the new moon day of the month of Chaitra 4. Brahma begins a new round of existence at the start of the Kalpa. 5. The day king Vikramaditya became the sovereign emperor of India after delivering it from the rule of Shakas was the new moon day of the month of Chaitra. Regards Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Hi Ron and List, Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I had often wondered where this Pisces Moon chart came from but didn't really know. Ultimately, it doesn't matter a whole lot to me why the chart is used -- what matters is whether it works or not. I've seen clear evidence it working time and again. Members unfamiliar with it may want to check some major historical events. For example, check out the Pisces new Moon for London, England for 1939. Mars exactly squares Sun-Moon -- more or less what one would expect for war. Or the Pisces New Moon for Washington DC 1968. 8H Mars exactly quincunxes the Asc and sextiles the MC. What says chaos and violence better than an 8th house Mars? Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to All, Chris --- Ron Day <ron wrote: > >I would think that understanding the origins of this chart would be > important for its survival. Will Indians still be calculating the New > Moon > in Pisces when the equinox occurs in Aquarius< > > > Steve, > > Some facts I have gathered on the basis of the Pisces new moon---- > > 1. The current Age of Kali started on February 18,3102 B.C. when all the > > planets were in the same house. This was Chaitra Shukla Pratipada. ie > the > new moon in Pisces(March-April) > > 2. One day of Brahma encompasses units of time called yugas and is > called kalpa > > 3.The begining of each Kalpa falls on the new moon day of the month of > Chaitra > > 4. Brahma begins a new round of existence at the start of the Kalpa. > > 5. The day king Vikramaditya became the sovereign emperor of India after > delivering it from the rule of Shakas was the new moon day of the > month > of Chaitra. > > > > Regards > Ron > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 > > > --- Ron Day wrote: > > > > Some facts I have gathered on the basis of the Pisces new moon---- > > > > 1. The current Age of Kali started on February 18,3102 B.C. when all > the > > > > planets were in the same house. This was Chaitra Shukla Pratipada. > ie > > the > > new moon in Pisces(March-April) > > > > 2. One day of Brahma encompasses units of time called yugas and is > > called kalpa > > > > 3.The begining of each Kalpa falls on the new moon day of the month > of > > Chaitra > > > > 4. Brahma begins a new round of existence at the start of the Kalpa. > > > > > 5. The day king Vikramaditya became the sovereign emperor of India > after > > delivering it from the rule of Shakas was the new moon day of the > > month > > of Chaitra. > > > > Hi Ron, Thanks for this info. Chaitra is the first month of the Hindu calendar and starts on March 22nd (in Gregorian). So it appears that at some point the beginning of the year was linked to the vernal equinox. The idea of a kalpa (a very, very long period of time) also beginning at the New Moon day of the same month is the most interesting. I wonder how far back this idea goes? Is there a textual reference for this that you can give? Cyril Fagan felt that the date for the beginning of the Kali Yuga was set during the time of the Indian astronomer Aryabhata and was based on an erroneous theory of the oscillation of the equinoxes (borrowed from the Greeks). The zero date of March 21, 499 AD was set by Aryabhata with the idea that the vernal point moved 27 degrees either side of this point. Moving back in time from year 499 at a rate of 54 " of arc per year, would bring the vernal point to 27 degrees in 1302 BC and back to 0 again in 3102 BC. Based on this idea, I've never accepted this date as the beginning of Kali Yuga. What is interesting though, as you state, was that even this date was wedded to the New Moon in Chaitra. This certainly warrants more investigation--I'll start doing some more digging and see if there's something I can add to this. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 >The idea of a kalpa (a very, very long period of time) also beginning at the New Moon day of the same month is the most interesting. I wonder how far back this idea goes? Is there a textual reference for this that you can give?< Steve, Still looking for this. The chart for Feb 18 ,3102 BC. date can be seen with solar fire The planets are mostly grouped together and it is close to a new moon in Pisces. Regards Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 At 05:55 AM 12/22/04 -0800, Chris wrote: > >Ultimately, it doesn't matter a whole lot to me why the chart is used -- >what matters is whether it [the Pisces New Moon chart] works or not. I've seen clear evidence it working time and again. Members unfamiliar with it may want to check some major historical events... Chris, what does the 2004 Pisces New Moon chart say about the election and the future of our country? War and loss of life should be reflected in this year's chart. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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