Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 John, could you explain 'Problematically Plutonic?' I set up charts for the 13th and the 6th at 1:00 p.m., the day the electoral votes are opened. Unfortunately for Democratic hopefuls, the planets sych rather well with W's chart. I didn't see much conflict between the charts for December 13 and January 6. W has a different looking solar return chart in July, 2005, however. In both the January 6 chart and the inaugural chart Neptune is right up there at the zenith. Clouds and subterfuge continue over the U.S. electon process. There is a different astrological picture for the recount efforts in Ohio and the nation-wide demonstrations today and tomorrow. There are a few notables still out there fighting for democracy. Details are here: http://election.solarbus.org/ In other news we should be looking at the astrological picture for the legalization of gay marriage in Cananda, but also the first divorces following gay marriages earlier this year. (Details on SFgate.com) And there is the drug scandal in baseball which includes Barry Bonds. There have to be astrological pictures for these events. Therese At 03:07 PM 12/12/04 +0000, John wrote: > >Hi Group > >December 13, 2004 is the American nation's real election day, constitutionally speaking. > >Numerologically, 12 + " 13 " + 24 = " 13 " .. Day " 13 " ... Destiny " 13 " ... > >A double " 04 " happens to be problematically Plutonic, on this, a quadrennial election day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 A chart set for Washington D.C. at 12:00 noon on Dec 13, 2004 has Pluto exactly conjunct Sun @ 27 " 14' Scorpio. Numerologically the double 44, the higher octave of " 08 " is Pluto's number. This day is a double " 13 " ........ If Pluto is a significator in this chart, then which way will it cut? If good, then very good; if bad then very bad. That's what I was thinking. Please comment, Therese Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: John, could you explain 'Problematically Plutonic?' I set up charts for the 13th and the 6th at 1:00 p.m., the day the electoral votes are opened. Unfortunately for Democratic hopefuls, the planets sych rather well with W's chart. I didn't see much conflict between the charts for December 13 and January 6. W has a different looking solar return chart in July, 2005, however. In both the January 6 chart and the inaugural chart Neptune is right up there at the zenith. Clouds and subterfuge continue over the U.S. electon process. There is a different astrological picture for the recount efforts in Ohio and the nation-wide demonstrations today and tomorrow. There are a few notables still out there fighting for democracy. Details are here: http://election.solarbus.org/ In other news we should be looking at the astrological picture for the legalization of gay marriage in Cananda, but also the first divorces following gay marriages earlier this year. (Details on SFgate.com) And there is the drug scandal in baseball which includes Barry Bonds. There have to be astrological pictures for these events. Therese At 03:07 PM 12/12/04 +0000, John wrote: > >Hi Group > >December 13, 2004 is the American nation's real election day, constitutionally speaking. > >Numerologically, 12 + " 13 " + 24 = " 13 " .. Day " 13 " ... Destiny " 13 " ... > >A double " 04 " happens to be problematically Plutonic, on this, a quadrennial election day. " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 John, Where can I learn this sort of numerology ? Best wishes, Steinar John TWB [jtwbjakarta] Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:22 PM Re: Re: ELECTORAL COLLEGE Vote A chart set for Washington D.C. at 12:00 noon on Dec 13, 2004 has Pluto exactly conjunct Sun @ 27 " 14' Scorpio. Numerologically the double 44, the higher octave of " 08 " is Pluto's number. This day is a double " 13 " ........ If Pluto is a significator in this chart, then which way will it cut? If good, then very good; if bad then very bad. That's what I was thinking. Please comment, Therese Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: John, could you explain 'Problematically Plutonic?' I set up charts for the 13th and the 6th at 1:00 p.m., the day the electoral votes are opened. Unfortunately for Democratic hopefuls, the planets sych rather well with W's chart. I didn't see much conflict between the charts for December 13 and January 6. W has a different looking solar return chart in July, 2005, however. In both the January 6 chart and the inaugural chart Neptune is right up there at the zenith. Clouds and subterfuge continue over the U.S. electon process. There is a different astrological picture for the recount efforts in Ohio and the nation-wide demonstrations today and tomorrow. There are a few notables still out there fighting for democracy. Details are here: http://election.solarbus.org/ In other news we should be looking at the astrological picture for the legalization of gay marriage in Cananda, but also the first divorces following gay marriages earlier this year. (Details on SFgate.com) And there is the drug scandal in baseball which includes Barry Bonds. There have to be astrological pictures for these events. Therese At 03:07 PM 12/12/04 +0000, John wrote: > >Hi Group > >December 13, 2004 is the American nation's real election day, constitutionally speaking. > >Numerologically, 12 + " 13 " + 24 = " 13 " .. Day " 13 " ... Destiny " 13 " ... > >A double " 04 " happens to be problematically Plutonic, on this, a quadrennial election day. " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Hi Steinar, FIRST: a comment on why I first look at an astrological problem numerologically. The numbers set the general direction and character. In the case of the Electoral College proceedings of Dec 13 which begin at 12:00 noon in some states, The day number and destiny number tell me to first look for Pluto in the horoscope. SECOND: Try and find in the second hand market, NUMBERS AS SYMBOLS OF SELF-DISCOVERY by Richard Blackmore Vaughan (Phantasy Press, 1973). This is your text. Start there. Best Wishes John Steinar <steinar wrote: John, Where can I learn this sort of numerology ? Best wishes, Steinar John TWB [jtwbjakarta] Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:22 PM Re: Re: ELECTORAL COLLEGE Vote A chart set for Washington D.C. at 12:00 noon on Dec 13, 2004 has Pluto exactly conjunct Sun @ 27 " 14' Scorpio. Numerologically the double 44, the higher octave of " 08 " is Pluto's number. This day is a double " 13 " ........ If Pluto is a significator in this chart, then which way will it cut? If good, then very good; if bad then very bad. That's what I was thinking. Please comment, Therese Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: John, could you explain 'Problematically Plutonic?' I set up charts for the 13th and the 6th at 1:00 p.m., the day the electoral votes are opened. Unfortunately for Democratic hopefuls, the planets sych rather well with W's chart. I didn't see much conflict between the charts for December 13 and January 6. W has a different looking solar return chart in July, 2005, however. In both the January 6 chart and the inaugural chart Neptune is right up there at the zenith. Clouds and subterfuge continue over the U.S. electon process. There is a different astrological picture for the recount efforts in Ohio and the nation-wide demonstrations today and tomorrow. There are a few notables still out there fighting for democracy. Details are here: http://election.solarbus.org/ In other news we should be looking at the astrological picture for the legalization of gay marriage in Cananda, but also the first divorces following gay marriages earlier this year. (Details on SFgate.com) And there is the drug scandal in baseball which includes Barry Bonds. There have to be astrological pictures for these events. Therese At 03:07 PM 12/12/04 +0000, John wrote: > >Hi Group > >December 13, 2004 is the American nation's real election day, constitutionally speaking. > >Numerologically, 12 + " 13 " + 24 = " 13 " .. Day " 13 " ... Destiny " 13 " ... > >A double " 04 " happens to be problematically Plutonic, on this, a quadrennial election day. " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Thanks for the explanation, John. On the 13th votes are cast in each state, I believe. So the charts would be different across the country. But it would be the DC chart that would be the most important. I don't have much hope that the 'very bad' won't win out. Yes, I remember the Pluto-Sun conjunction. I'll have to go back and look at the chart for the 13th and the connections to the candidate charts. (I haven't had much astro time this month.) What's the source of 8 being Pluto's number?? Therese At 05:21 PM 12/12/04 +0000, John wrote: > >A chart set for Washington D.C. at 12:00 noon on Dec 13, 2004 has Pluto exactly conjunct Sun @ 27 " 14' Scorpio. > >Numerologically the double 44, the higher octave of " 08 " is Pluto's number. > >This day is a double " 13 " ........ > >If Pluto is a significator in this chart, then which way will it cut? If good, then very good; if bad then very bad. That's what I was thinking. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Hi Steinar.....Some good references for numerology are The Tarot by Paul Foster Case, Numerology and the Divine Triangle by Faith Javane/ Dusty Baker, and by far the most extensive and most expensive is a book called The Magical Language written by the BOTA. It's 800 pages of information that I have found no where else.Supposedly there were only 100 ever printed. I did see a reprint at ABE Books. Keyword ---Gematria or Numerology. Another book to read with the Magical Language is the Restorations of Masonic Geometry by HPH Bromwell. Check Sacred Science for that book. Have fun. Kit Karson Steinar <steinar wrote: John, Where can I learn this sort of numerology ? Best wishes, Steinar John TWB [jtwbjakarta] Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:22 PM Re: Re: ELECTORAL COLLEGE Vote A chart set for Washington D.C. at 12:00 noon on Dec 13, 2004 has Pluto exactly conjunct Sun @ 27 " 14' Scorpio. Numerologically the double 44, the higher octave of " 08 " is Pluto's number. This day is a double " 13 " ........ If Pluto is a significator in this chart, then which way will it cut? If good, then very good; if bad then very bad. That's what I was thinking. Please comment, Therese Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: John, could you explain 'Problematically Plutonic?' I set up charts for the 13th and the 6th at 1:00 p.m., the day the electoral votes are opened. Unfortunately for Democratic hopefuls, the planets sych rather well with W's chart. I didn't see much conflict between the charts for December 13 and January 6. W has a different looking solar return chart in July, 2005, however. In both the January 6 chart and the inaugural chart Neptune is right up there at the zenith. Clouds and subterfuge continue over the U.S. electon process. There is a different astrological picture for the recount efforts in Ohio and the nation-wide demonstrations today and tomorrow. There are a few notables still out there fighting for democracy. Details are here: http://election.solarbus.org/ In other news we should be looking at the astrological picture for the legalization of gay marriage in Cananda, but also the first divorces following gay marriages earlier this year. (Details on SFgate.com) And there is the drug scandal in baseball which includes Barry Bonds. There have to be astrological pictures for these events. Therese At 03:07 PM 12/12/04 +0000, John wrote: > >Hi Group > >December 13, 2004 is the American nation's real election day, constitutionally speaking. > >Numerologically, 12 + " 13 " + 24 = " 13 " .. Day " 13 " ... Destiny " 13 " ... > >A double " 04 " happens to be problematically Plutonic, on this, a quadrennial election day. " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Hi John and Members.....Luckily I was able to watch C-Span on Saturday for a repeat of Election/2004. Some of what you listed in your post was high lighted. After listening to 3 hours of testimony I am optimistic that we will change the election process in this country. Maybe not before Jan 6, but it will happen. What struck me the most was the simplicity of just removing voting machines in heavily Dem counties in Ohio. The other simple yet controversial was the way in which certain votes in punch card counties were thrown out as spoilage. Especially in the heavily poor/Dem counties. One such figure was 75,000 votes. And then there was the testimony of an observer in Broward County , Fla. The election was fixed there as well. The early voting machines have disappeared, and can't be tested. Lastly I tried to visit C-Span and download the transcript of Dec 8. That page is no longer available. Media blackout, again. So let's keep the pressure on. There will be hearings in Ohio and like alot of the panelists said on Dec 8, election 2004 is not over yet. I have e-mailed C-Span asking for an explanation why the Dec 8 hearings have disappeared. Love and light Kit Karson John TWB <jtwbjakarta wrote: Hi Steinar, FIRST: a comment on why I first look at an astrological problem numerologically. The numbers set the general direction and character. In the case of the Electoral College proceedings of Dec 13 which begin at 12:00 noon in some states, The day number and destiny number tell me to first look for Pluto in the horoscope. SECOND: Try and find in the second hand market, NUMBERS AS SYMBOLS OF SELF-DISCOVERY by Richard Blackmore Vaughan (Phantasy Press, 1973). This is your text. Start there. Best Wishes John Steinar <steinar wrote: John, Where can I learn this sort of numerology ? Best wishes, Steinar John TWB [jtwbjakarta] Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:22 PM Re: Re: ELECTORAL COLLEGE Vote A chart set for Washington D.C. at 12:00 noon on Dec 13, 2004 has Pluto exactly conjunct Sun @ 27 " 14' Scorpio. Numerologically the double 44, the higher octave of " 08 " is Pluto's number. This day is a double " 13 " ........ If Pluto is a significator in this chart, then which way will it cut? If good, then very good; if bad then very bad. That's what I was thinking. Please comment, Therese Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: John, could you explain 'Problematically Plutonic?' I set up charts for the 13th and the 6th at 1:00 p.m., the day the electoral votes are opened. Unfortunately for Democratic hopefuls, the planets sych rather well with W's chart. I didn't see much conflict between the charts for December 13 and January 6. W has a different looking solar return chart in July, 2005, however. In both the January 6 chart and the inaugural chart Neptune is right up there at the zenith. Clouds and subterfuge continue over the U.S. electon process. There is a different astrological picture for the recount efforts in Ohio and the nation-wide demonstrations today and tomorrow. There are a few notables still out there fighting for democracy. Details are here: http://election.solarbus.org/ In other news we should be looking at the astrological picture for the legalization of gay marriage in Cananda, but also the first divorces following gay marriages earlier this year. (Details on SFgate.com) And there is the drug scandal in baseball which includes Barry Bonds. There have to be astrological pictures for these events. Therese At 03:07 PM 12/12/04 +0000, John wrote: > >Hi Group > >December 13, 2004 is the American nation's real election day, constitutionally speaking. > >Numerologically, 12 + " 13 " + 24 = " 13 " .. Day " 13 " ... Destiny " 13 " ... > >A double " 04 " happens to be problematically Plutonic, on this, a quadrennial election day. " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Hi Therese, Sorry for the earlier run-on sentence about Pluto. The number " 08 " represents Saturn, following the Hebraic System of planetary (septenary) numbers. Authorities such as Sepharial, and the Vedicist, Harish Johari see it this way, as well. However, Pluto signifies " 44 " , the master vibration of " 08 " . Master vibration is " 44 " = 8, where " 44 " = [8 + (4 x 9)]. In synchronicity: P L U T O = 16+12+21+20+15= " 84 " ... Here " 8 + 4 " , as in the master vibration equivalence, wherein the " 8 " is challenged by the " 4 " , as in " 84 " so as in the master number of " 08 " , which is " 44 " . The view expressed here regarding Pluto's vib conforms to a basic implication of the interpretation of Pluto as the Ruler of Scorpio, not that of Mars. The essence of Pluto is power; not universality. " 08 " , not " 09 " . In the Kaballa Scorpio is signified as the number " 04 " . Those who see Mars as the Ruler of Scorpio would understandably look for a higher " 09 " vibration in Pluto. But this proves to be numerologically impossible as the number " 09 " is at once universal and is necessarily without its own master number; therefore " 99 " is the octave of " 18 " , not directly of " 09 " . INNER SEVEN: An elementary review shows that the days of the week correspond to the Inner planets and their numbers, with the Vedicists taking a further step than that of the Hebraicists and treating the lunar nodes as planets. For the Hebraic system the Sun is both " 01 " and " 04 " ; the Moon both " 02 " and " 07 " . For the Vedicists, the Sun is " 01 " and the North Node, Rahu, is " 04 " ; the Moon is " 02 " and the South Node, Ketu, is " 07 " . Both systems agree on Jupiter, " 03 " ; Mars, " 09 " ; Mercury, " 05 " ; Saturn, " 08 " ; Venus, " 06 " . The traditional systems naturally falter in designating significations for planets discovered since that of Saturn; and falter by diverging in accepted signification. The outer planets are comparatively a challenge: Neptune least controversially recognized as " 11 " . To quote Sepharial's THE SCIENCE OF NUMEROLOGY, " The planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto do not come within the ordinary septenary scale as they commence the second octave of planetary vibrations. " Complexity breeds disagreement. Best wishes, John Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote:Thanks for the explanation, John. On the 13th votes are cast in each state, I believe. So the charts would be different across the country. But it would be the DC chart that would be the most important. I don't have much hope that the 'very bad' won't win out. Yes, I remember the Pluto-Sun conjunction. I'll have to go back and look at the chart for the 13th and the connections to the candidate charts. (I haven't had much astro time this month.) What's the source of 8 being Pluto's number?? Therese At 05:21 PM 12/12/04 +0000, John wrote: > >A chart set for Washington D.C. at 12:00 noon on Dec 13, 2004 has Pluto exactly conjunct Sun @ 27 " 14' Scorpio. > >Numerologically the double 44, the higher octave of " 08 " is Pluto's number. > >This day is a double " 13 " ........ > >If Pluto is a significator in this chart, then which way will it cut? If good, then very good; if bad then very bad. That's what I was thinking. > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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