Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 John, thanks for the research in your two posts! I checked my files and see that I have the Washington Inaugural chart set for a time before 1:00 p.m. Have you done any research for the time period between 1:15 and 1:25? I'm printing out both your posts for my USA files. Thanks again! Therese At 06:00 PM 12/4/04 +0000, you wrote: >WASHINGTON’S FIRST PRESIDENTIAL INAUGURATIONApril 30, 1789 > >Place: Federal Hall, Wall Street, New York City, State of New York > >Time Moment: 1:15/1:25 pm (Best historical estimate; to be rectified) EXCERPTS: The following citations tell the essentials of the Story:1789: THE WASHINGTON INAUGURATION with Program of Ceremonies. Papers by Mrs. Martha J. Lamb >(White and Allen: N.Y., 1889) Pages: 19 > >(From the “Magazine of American History” of December, 1888, February 1889, March 1889): (...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 HAs anyone else looked at W's Inaugural chart? Pretty fascinating stuff. c Therese Hamilton [eastwest] Sunday, December 05, 2004 7:56 PM Re: GW: Presidential Inauguration; 1:15/1:25pm, April 30, 1789 John, thanks for the research in your two posts! I checked my files and see that I have the Washington Inaugural chart set for a time before 1:00 p.m. Have you done any research for the time period between 1:15 and 1:25? I'm printing out both your posts for my USA files. Thanks again! Therese At 06:00 PM 12/4/04 +0000, you wrote: >WASHINGTONS FIRST PRESIDENTIAL INAUGURATIONApril 30, 1789 > >Place: Federal Hall, Wall Street, New York City, State of New York > >Time Moment: 1:15/1:25 pm (Best historical estimate; to be rectified) EXCERPTS: The following citations tell the essentials of the Story:1789: THE WASHINGTON INAUGURATION with Program of Ceremonies. Papers by Mrs. Martha J. Lamb >(White and Allen: N.Y., 1889) Pages: 19 > >(From the Magazine of American History of December, 1888, February 1889, March 1889): (...) " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Hi Therese, Cynthia and Group As you may recall Ed Kohout, Ron Gaunt and I exchanged messages on this event some weeks ago. At that time I was working from memory of books read. Ed Kohout later asked me to quote them. The result is the findings under discussion here. (Thanks for the prompt, Ed) The works cited are from scholars and journalists familiar with the primary sources. But here's the challenge: About 1:00/1:05 pm Washington steped down from his carriage ands walked north some 300 yards on Broad Street to Federal Hall on the corner of Wall and Nassau, streets throughout the area chock-a-block thronged by a wellwishing public. The City overflowed that day with visitors..all inns, taverns booked up..people sleeping at the wharfs, in the meadows, all over southern Manhattan. Working his way through all that must have taken Washington some 5 to 10 minutes....another 5 minutes to go thru the formalties in the Senate Chamber before moving to the balcony where the Oath was sworn, the chamber where the Senators and Reprsentatives (Joint Session) had been kept waiting for " an hour and 10 minutes " (12:00 noon plus 70 minutes = 1:10 pm).... Any horoscopic rectification between 1:10 and 1:30pm is perfectly historically defensible. That's what I wish to convey to the group. In my next posting I will cite from various sources and tell the story that Washington's biographers have barely touched on: That the program that day was designed to administer the Oath of Office ....promptly @ 12:00 NOON ......(Not 1:00 pm as I previously misunderstood before studying the question). Unquestionably, that morning the President of the Senate and the Chairman of the Inauguration Committee screwed-up big-time, as they kept the Great Man, General Washington, waiting for at least an hour. Between 11:00 and 12:00 noon the scene in the Senate approached the bizarre with all the makings of a bar room brawl in the making, short of punches, as Senators at moments were screaming at each other over the protocol ( " etiquette " ) of how to address the President-Elect on his arrival at their chambers:..Should it be: . " Your Highness " .. " Your Excellency " ... " Your grace " ... " Sir " .... " Mr " .....etc...... Clearly, any suggestion of monarchy was political dynamite on that era and on that occasion. The President of the Senate, John Adams, was really tested that particular late morning, as well. The Reception Committee was expected at Washington's residence between 11:00 and 11:30 am. They arrived at close to 12:30 pm.The Chairman of the Senate Inauguration Committee was the Virginian, Richard Henry Lee. One should remember that Lee along with the Masachusetts' Adams, John and Samuel, were in the phalanx of the movement for Independency in 1776 (Lee introduced the Resolution on Independency on June 7th, 1776; then seconded by John Adams). How Adams and Lee allowed the Masonically arranged 12:00 noon Oath Taking to be spoiled by delay is another story...... Regards, John Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: John, thanks for the research in your two posts! I checked my files and see that I have the Washington Inaugural chart set for a time before 1:00 p.m. Have you done any research for the time period between 1:15 and 1:25? I'm printing out both your posts for my USA files. Thanks again! Therese At 06:00 PM 12/4/04 +0000, you wrote: >WASHINGTON’S FIRST PRESIDENTIAL INAUGURATIONApril 30, 1789 > >Place: Federal Hall, Wall Street, New York City, State of New York > >Time Moment: 1:15/1:25 pm (Best historical estimate; to be rectified) EXCERPTS: The following citations tell the essentials of the Story:1789: THE WASHINGTON INAUGURATION with Program of Ceremonies. Papers by Mrs. Martha J. Lamb >(White and Allen: N.Y., 1889) Pages: 19 > >(From the “Magazine of American History” of December, 1888, February 1889, March 1889): (...) " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 At 03:13 AM 12/6/04 +0000, John wrote: > >Hi Therese, Cynthia and Group > >>As you may recall Ed Kohout, Ron Gaunt and I exchanged messages on this event some weeks ago. This must be a forum or list I haven't joined. >>In my next posting I will cite from various sources and tell the story that Washington's biographers have barely touched on... Looking forward to this. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Hello all, I can understand the intellectual excitement of tracking down the exact moment of Washington's swearing-in for the historical record but astrologically I have always preferred the " masonically arranged 12 noon Oath Taking. " I see in checking back through the posts that Ron Gaunt would also have no other. It produces excellently for 9/11 and Pearl Harbor and could have been used alone to predict Bush's victory. Of course I said the same thing about Bush's SSR and even his transits for the day. Any of them alone. Dark*Star ________________________________ John TWB wrote: > In my next posting I will cite from various sources and tell the story that Washington's biographers have barely touched on: That the program that day was designed to administer the Oath of Office ....promptly @ 12:00 NOON > > How Adams and Lee allowed the Masonically arranged 12:00 noon Oath Taking to be spoiled by delay is another story...... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Hi Group Dark*Star makes a very good point. In fact it may be just the event needed to empirically test our mundane assumptions. I re-confirm here what the record clearly shows: if all had gone according to plan the Great General Washington would have been standing on the Federal Hall balcony overlooking Wall Street @ 12:00 noon. The choice: 12:00 noon (about exactly) or 1:20 pm (roughly) .... Let the investigation proceed John Dark Star <pansophia wrote: Hello all, I can understand the intellectual excitement of tracking down the exact moment of Washington's swearing-in for the historical record but astrologically I have always preferred the " masonically arranged 12 noon Oath Taking. " I see in checking back through the posts that Ron Gaunt would also have no other. It produces excellently for 9/11 and Pearl Harbor and could have been used alone to predict Bush's victory. Of course I said the same thing about Bush's SSR and even his transits for the day. Any of them alone. Dark*Star ________________________________ John TWB wrote: > In my next posting I will cite from various sources and tell the story that Washington's biographers have barely touched on: That the program that day was designed to administer the Oath of Office ....promptly @ 12:00 NOON > > How Adams and Lee allowed the Masonically arranged 12:00 noon Oath Taking to be spoiled by delay is another story...... > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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