Does anyone know the bithdata for the Boston Red Sox

[Guest guest]

Hi:

If anyone has the birthdata for the Boston Red Sox it will be interestring to

research the aspects of their turnaround and big win.

BG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill

 

This URL: basball-almanac .com is very helpful.

 

Therein we learn that the Boston Red Sox were first " named " by their owner on

December 18, 1907.

 

Good luck with your investigation

 

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/boston_pilgrims_story.shtml

 

Bill Gwyn <webwiz52 wrote:Hi:

If anyone has the birthdata for the Boston Red Sox it will be interestring to

research the aspects of their turnaround and big win.

BG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The Boston Pilgrim's played their first game on Apr 26 1901--3:30

pm---EST---American League Park---39n49 76w36 Their opponent was the Balt

Orioles who went on to become the New York Yankees. Is it any wonder their

rivalry is so intense.

 

Regards Kit

 

JOHN B <jtwbjakarta wrote:

Hi Bill

 

This URL: basball-almanac .com is very helpful.

 

Therein we learn that the Boston Red Sox were first " named " by their owner on

December 18, 1907.

 

Good luck with your investigation

 

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/boston_pilgrims_story.shtml

 

Bill Gwyn <webwiz52 wrote:Hi:

If anyone has the birthdata for the Boston Red Sox it will be interestring to

research the aspects of their turnaround and big win.

BG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The question for the mundane astrologer is whether or not a NAME CHANGE matters

and is transformative. One must recognize numerologically that the 1907 NAME

CHANGE to the Boston Red Sox " may or may not " be transformative of the character

of the team. If the change represents a new start, then 1901 is just a bygone.

If, however, it was only a name change in 1907 then Kit's contribution appears

to be the one. Whether or not a change in character took place is a matter

requiring historical investigation. And if Kit can answer this question

straight away then all the better for getting on with the study.

 

Kit Karson <skyguides wrote:

The Boston Pilgrim's played their first game on Apr 26 1901--3:30

pm---EST---American League Park---39n49 76w36 Their opponent was the Balt

Orioles who went on to become the New York Yankees. Is it any wonder their

rivalry is so intense.

 

Regards Kit

 

JOHN B wrote:

Hi Bill

 

This URL: basball-almanac .com is very helpful.

 

Therein we learn that the Boston Red Sox were first " named " by their owner on

December 18, 1907.

 

Good luck with your investigation

 

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/boston_pilgrims_story.shtml

 

Bill Gwyn wrote:Hi:

If anyone has the birthdata for the Boston Red Sox it will be interestring to

research the aspects of their turnaround and big win.

BG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi....Name changes and city locations change multiple times in the record books.

I think the SF Giants have 3 charts which I use. The ultimate test is which

chart works based on performance. Personally I like having another chart for

Boston now, because we can compare it to the NY Yankees. In addition to using

birth charts we also use the opening day game every year, along with ALCS games.

For the avid sports enthusiast I suggest contacting Jack Contreras, who use to

belong to this group. He has all the sports entries for most professional teams.

I hope this helps.

 

Kit

 

JOHN B <jtwbjakarta wrote:

The question for the mundane astrologer is whether or not a NAME CHANGE matters

and is transformative. One must recognize numerologically that the 1907 NAME

CHANGE to the Boston Red Sox " may or may not " be transformative of the character

of the team. If the change represents a new start, then 1901 is just a bygone.

If, however, it was only a name change in 1907 then Kit's contribution appears

to be the one. Whether or not a change in character took place is a matter

requiring historical investigation. And if Kit can answer this question

straight away then all the better for getting on with the study.

 

Kit Karson <skyguides wrote:

The Boston Pilgrim's played their first game on Apr 26 1901--3:30

pm---EST---American League Park---39n49 76w36 Their opponent was the Balt

Orioles who went on to become the New York Yankees. Is it any wonder their

rivalry is so intense.

 

Regards Kit

 

JOHN B wrote:

Hi Bill

 

This URL: basball-almanac .com is very helpful.

 

Therein we learn that the Boston Red Sox were first " named " by their owner on

December 18, 1907.

 

Good luck with your investigation

 

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/boston_pilgrims_story.shtml

 

Bill Gwyn wrote:Hi:

If anyone has the birthdata for the Boston Red Sox it will be interestring to

research the aspects of their turnaround and big win.

BG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi John:

Many thanks for your prompt and informative reply regarding the Red Sox - I'll

keep you posted on any research findings.

BG

 

 

JOHN B <jtwbjakarta wrote:

The question for the mundane astrologer is whether or not a NAME CHANGE matters

and is transformative. One must recognize numerologically that the 1907 NAME

CHANGE to the Boston Red Sox " may or may not " be transformative of the character

of the team. If the change represents a new start, then 1901 is just a bygone.

If, however, it was only a name change in 1907 then Kit's contribution appears

to be the one. Whether or not a change in character took place is a matter

requiring historical investigation. And if Kit can answer this question

straight away then all the better for getting on with the study.

 

Kit Karson <skyguides wrote:

The Boston Pilgrim's played their first game on Apr 26 1901--3:30

pm---EST---American League Park---39n49 76w36 Their opponent was the Balt

Orioles who went on to become the New York Yankees. Is it any wonder their

rivalry is so intense.

 

Regards Kit

 

JOHN B wrote:

Hi Bill

 

This URL: basball-almanac .com is very helpful.

 

Therein we learn that the Boston Red Sox were first " named " by their owner on

December 18, 1907.

 

Good luck with your investigation

 

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/boston_pilgrims_story.shtml

 

Bill Gwyn wrote:Hi:

If anyone has the birthdata for the Boston Red Sox it will be interestring to

research the aspects of their turnaround and big win.

BG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Kit:

Many thanks for the information - greatly appreciated.

BG

 

 

Kit Karson <skyguides wrote:

 

Hi....Name changes and city locations change multiple times in the record books.

I think the SF Giants have 3 charts which I use. The ultimate test is which

chart works based on performance. Personally I like having another chart for

Boston now, because we can compare it to the NY Yankees. In addition to using

birth charts we also use the opening day game every year, along with ALCS games.

For the avid sports enthusiast I suggest contacting Jack Contreras, who use to

belong to this group. He has all the sports entries for most professional teams.

I hope this helps.

 

Kit

 

JOHN B wrote:

The question for the mundane astrologer is whether or not a NAME CHANGE matters

and is transformative. One must recognize numerologically that the 1907 NAME

CHANGE to the Boston Red Sox " may or may not " be transformative of the character

of the team. If the change represents a new start, then 1901 is just a bygone.

If, however, it was only a name change in 1907 then Kit's contribution appears

to be the one. Whether or not a change in character took place is a matter

requiring historical investigation. And if Kit can answer this question straight

away then all the better for getting on with the study.

 

Kit Karson wrote:

The Boston Pilgrim's played their first game on Apr 26 1901--3:30

pm---EST---American League Park---39n49 76w36 Their opponent was the Balt

Orioles who went on to become the New York Yankees. Is it any wonder their

rivalry is so intense.

 

Regards Kit

 

JOHN B wrote:

Hi Bill

 

This URL: basball-almanac .com is very helpful.

 

Therein we learn that the Boston Red Sox were first " named " by their owner on

December 18, 1907.

 

Good luck with your investigation

 

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/boston_pilgrims_story.shtml

 

Bill Gwyn wrote:Hi:

If anyone has the birthdata for the Boston Red Sox it will be interestring to

research the aspects of their turnaround and big win.

BG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Kit,

 

Thanks for posting this time for the Pilgrims. I think it is very useful

and reflects this World Series win clearly.

 

On the astrology of sports list, we had similar discussions about the

Yankees correct chart. Nothing definitive there, although the Highlanders

first game on Apr 22 1903 seems the best place to start. 3.30 pm was also

mentioned as the start time. To me, first game start times are the most

logical and most workable charts for sports franchises.

 

What's a little offputting about this Boston chart is that 3 Virgo rises --

the same rising degree as the Yankees proposed chart. With the approach of

the Saturn station at 3Cancer, one is tempted to use that to explain the

Yankee collapse. And yet this same Saturn aspect may have had a hand in the

Boston win.

Chris

 

 

 

-

" Kit Karson " <skyguides

 

Friday, October 29, 2004 1:47 PM

Re: Does anyone know the bithdata for the

Boston Red Sox

 

 

 

Hi....Name changes and city locations change multiple times in the record

books. I think the SF Giants have 3 charts which I use. The ultimate test is

which chart works based on performance. Personally I like having another

chart for Boston now, because we can compare it to the NY Yankees. In

addition to using birth charts we also use the opening day game every year,

along with ALCS games. For the avid sports enthusiast I suggest contacting

Jack Contreras, who use to belong to this group. He has all the sports

entries for most professional teams. I hope this helps.

 

Kit

 

JOHN B <jtwbjakarta wrote:

The question for the mundane astrologer is whether or not a NAME CHANGE

matters and is transformative. One must recognize numerologically that the

1907 NAME CHANGE to the Boston Red Sox " may or may not " be transformative of

the character of the team. If the change represents a new start, then 1901

is just a bygone. If, however, it was only a name change in 1907 then Kit's

contribution appears to be the one. Whether or not a change in character

took place is a matter requiring historical investigation. And if Kit can

answer this question straight away then all the better for getting on with

the study.

 

Kit Karson <skyguides wrote:

The Boston Pilgrim's played their first game on Apr 26 1901--3:30

pm---EST---American League Park---39n49 76w36 Their opponent was the Balt

Orioles who went on to become the New York Yankees. Is it any wonder their

rivalry is so intense.

 

Regards Kit

 

JOHN B wrote:

Hi Bill

 

This URL: basball-almanac .com is very helpful.

 

Therein we learn that the Boston Red Sox were first " named " by their owner

on December 18, 1907.

 

Good luck with your investigation

 

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/boston_pilgrims_story.shtml

 

Bill Gwyn wrote:Hi:

If anyone has the birthdata for the Boston Red Sox it will be interestring

to research the aspects of their turnaround and big win.

BG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris......Never knew about Highlanders. The times I posted were from Jack

Contreras data. Always bothered me betting on either Bos/NY knowing they had

the same birth. But then you go to Prime Vertical charts and first game of

season to make a final bet.

 

Kit

 

Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote:

Hi Kit,

 

Thanks for posting this time for the Pilgrims. I think it is very useful

and reflects this World Series win clearly.

 

On the astrology of sports list, we had similar discussions about the

Yankees correct chart. Nothing definitive there, although the Highlanders

first game on Apr 22 1903 seems the best place to start. 3.30 pm was also

mentioned as the start time. To me, first game start times are the most

logical and most workable charts for sports franchises.

 

What's a little offputting about this Boston chart is that 3 Virgo rises --

the same rising degree as the Yankees proposed chart. With the approach of

the Saturn station at 3Cancer, one is tempted to use that to explain the

Yankee collapse. And yet this same Saturn aspect may have had a hand in the

Boston win.

Chris

 

 

 

-

" Kit Karson " <skyguides

 

Friday, October 29, 2004 1:47 PM

Re: Does anyone know the bithdata for the

Boston Red Sox

 

 

 

Hi....Name changes and city locations change multiple times in the record

books. I think the SF Giants have 3 charts which I use. The ultimate test is

which chart works based on performance. Personally I like having another

chart for Boston now, because we can compare it to the NY Yankees. In

addition to using birth charts we also use the opening day game every year,

along with ALCS games. For the avid sports enthusiast I suggest contacting

Jack Contreras, who use to belong to this group. He has all the sports

entries for most professional teams. I hope this helps.

 

Kit

 

JOHN B <jtwbjakarta wrote:

The question for the mundane astrologer is whether or not a NAME CHANGE

matters and is transformative. One must recognize numerologically that the

1907 NAME CHANGE to the Boston Red Sox " may or may not " be transformative of

the character of the team. If the change represents a new start, then 1901

is just a bygone. If, however, it was only a name change in 1907 then Kit's

contribution appears to be the one. Whether or not a change in character

took place is a matter requiring historical investigation. And if Kit can

answer this question straight away then all the better for getting on with

the study.

 

Kit Karson <skyguides wrote:

The Boston Pilgrim's played their first game on Apr 26 1901--3:30

pm---EST---American League Park---39n49 76w36 Their opponent was the Balt

Orioles who went on to become the New York Yankees. Is it any wonder their

rivalry is so intense.

 

Regards Kit

 

JOHN B wrote:

Hi Bill

 

This URL: basball-almanac .com is very helpful.

 

Therein we learn that the Boston Red Sox were first " named " by their owner

on December 18, 1907.

 

Good luck with your investigation

 

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/boston_pilgrims_story.shtml

 

Bill Gwyn wrote:Hi:

If anyone has the birthdata for the Boston Red Sox it will be interestring

to research the aspects of their turnaround and big win.

BG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Kit,

 

So what chart do you use for the Yankees? I don't see how they have the

same chart?

 

The Highlanders chart for the Yankees is the most obvious one -- it is the

beginning that is formally recognized now. On Apr 22 2003, they celebrated

100 years anniversary of Yankee baseball.

 

I like the fact that people are now talking about an A-Rod curse. Seems

that Seattle was nothing when he was there, then when he left, they got good

quickly and made the playoffs. Texas was terrible when he was there, and

once he left, they contended for the playoffs this year fo the first time in

ages. Now his karmic error of trying to dislodge the ball from Arroyo's

glove and then having the gall to play innocent and victimized to umpires

afterwards He is also not a plus in the clubhouse apparently.

 

Chris

 

 

Original Message -----

" Kit Karson " <skyguides

 

Friday, October 29, 2004 6:20 PM

Re: Does anyone know the bithdata for the

Boston Red Sox

 

 

 

Hi Chris......Never knew about Highlanders. The times I posted were from

Jack Contreras data. Always bothered me betting on either Bos/NY knowing

they had the same birth. But then you go to Prime Vertical charts and first

game of season to make a final bet.

 

Kit

 

Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote:

Hi Kit,

 

Thanks for posting this time for the Pilgrims. I think it is very useful

and reflects this World Series win clearly.

 

On the astrology of sports list, we had similar discussions about the

Yankees correct chart. Nothing definitive there, although the Highlanders

first game on Apr 22 1903 seems the best place to start. 3.30 pm was also

mentioned as the start time. To me, first game start times are the most

logical and most workable charts for sports franchises.

 

What's a little offputting about this Boston chart is that 3 Virgo rises --

the same rising degree as the Yankees proposed chart. With the approach of

the Saturn station at 3Cancer, one is tempted to use that to explain the

Yankee collapse. And yet this same Saturn aspect may have had a hand in the

Boston win.

Chris

 

 

 

-

" Kit Karson " <skyguides

 

Friday, October 29, 2004 1:47 PM

Re: Does anyone know the bithdata for the

Boston Red Sox

 

 

 

Hi....Name changes and city locations change multiple times in the record

books. I think the SF Giants have 3 charts which I use. The ultimate test is

which chart works based on performance. Personally I like having another

chart for Boston now, because we can compare it to the NY Yankees. In

addition to using birth charts we also use the opening day game every year,

along with ALCS games. For the avid sports enthusiast I suggest contacting

Jack Contreras, who use to belong to this group. He has all the sports

entries for most professional teams. I hope this helps.

 

Kit

 

JOHN B <jtwbjakarta wrote:

The question for the mundane astrologer is whether or not a NAME CHANGE

matters and is transformative. One must recognize numerologically that the

1907 NAME CHANGE to the Boston Red Sox " may or may not " be transformative of

the character of the team. If the change represents a new start, then 1901

is just a bygone. If, however, it was only a name change in 1907 then Kit's

contribution appears to be the one. Whether or not a change in character

took place is a matter requiring historical investigation. And if Kit can

answer this question straight away then all the better for getting on with

the study.

 

Kit Karson <skyguides wrote:

The Boston Pilgrim's played their first game on Apr 26 1901--3:30

pm---EST---American League Park---39n49 76w36 Their opponent was the Balt

Orioles who went on to become the New York Yankees. Is it any wonder their

rivalry is so intense.

 

Regards Kit

 

JOHN B wrote:

Hi Bill

 

This URL: basball-almanac .com is very helpful.

 

Therein we learn that the Boston Red Sox were first " named " by their owner

on December 18, 1907.

 

Good luck with your investigation

 

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/boston_pilgrims_story.shtml

 

Bill Gwyn wrote:Hi:

If anyone has the birthdata for the Boston Red Sox it will be interestring

to research the aspects of their turnaround and big win.

BG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

A look at Babe Ruth wouldn't hurt either: Feb 6 1895 Baltimore.

 

Dark*

____________

 

JOHN B wrote:

 

> Therein we learn that the Boston Red Sox were first " named " by their owner on

December 18, 1907.

>

[Guest guest]

DS

 

I have read that there are two birth dates for Ruth, the one you cite and

another one 1 year and 1 day earlier (or later, I can't remember now). It

goes back to his adoption and his unknown past.

 

The curse could only be beaten on a lunar eclipse! They won the Series on

the same day as that eclipse -- how appropriate is that?

 

Chris

 

 

-

" Dark Star " <pansophia

 

Friday, October 29, 2004 6:53 PM

Re: Does anyone know the bithdata for the

Boston Red Sox

 

 

>

>

> A look at Babe Ruth wouldn't hurt either: Feb 6 1895 Baltimore.

>

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> JOHN B wrote:

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owner on December 18, 1907.

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[Guest guest]

Chris....I'm not an authority on this subject. But I have bet more on baseball

than any other sport, mainly timing when my chart went good/bad. Using the data

from Jack Contreras I placed Bos/NY with the same birth start. Pilgrims/Orioles

Orioles who became the NYY. Knowing this I never felt comfortable betting

either team unless certain factors prevailed.

Who were the Highlanders and do they supercede the first Pilgrim/Balt

Oriole's game??

 

Kit

 

Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote:

Kit,

 

So what chart do you use for the Yankees? I don't see how they have the

same chart?

 

The Highlanders chart for the Yankees is the most obvious one -- it is the

beginning that is formally recognized now. On Apr 22 2003, they celebrated

100 years anniversary of Yankee baseball.

 

I like the fact that people are now talking about an A-Rod curse. Seems

that Seattle was nothing when he was there, then when he left, they got good

quickly and made the playoffs. Texas was terrible when he was there, and

once he left, they contended for the playoffs this year fo the first time in

ages. Now his karmic error of trying to dislodge the ball from Arroyo's

glove and then having the gall to play innocent and victimized to umpires

afterwards He is also not a plus in the clubhouse apparently.

 

Chris

 

 

Original Message -----

" Kit Karson " <skyguides

 

Friday, October 29, 2004 6:20 PM

Re: Does anyone know the bithdata for the

Boston Red Sox

 

 

 

Hi Chris......Never knew about Highlanders. The times I posted were from

Jack Contreras data. Always bothered me betting on either Bos/NY knowing

they had the same birth. But then you go to Prime Vertical charts and first

game of season to make a final bet.

 

Kit

 

Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote:

Hi Kit,

 

Thanks for posting this time for the Pilgrims. I think it is very useful

and reflects this World Series win clearly.

 

On the astrology of sports list, we had similar discussions about the

Yankees correct chart. Nothing definitive there, although the Highlanders

first game on Apr 22 1903 seems the best place to start. 3.30 pm was also

mentioned as the start time. To me, first game start times are the most

logical and most workable charts for sports franchises.

 

What's a little offputting about this Boston chart is that 3 Virgo rises --

the same rising degree as the Yankees proposed chart. With the approach of

the Saturn station at 3Cancer, one is tempted to use that to explain the

Yankee collapse. And yet this same Saturn aspect may have had a hand in the

Boston win.

Chris

 

 

 

-

" Kit Karson " <skyguides

 

Friday, October 29, 2004 1:47 PM

Re: Does anyone know the bithdata for the

Boston Red Sox

 

 

 

Hi....Name changes and city locations change multiple times in the record

books. I think the SF Giants have 3 charts which I use. The ultimate test is

which chart works based on performance. Personally I like having another

chart for Boston now, because we can compare it to the NY Yankees. In

addition to using birth charts we also use the opening day game every year,

along with ALCS games. For the avid sports enthusiast I suggest contacting

Jack Contreras, who use to belong to this group. He has all the sports

entries for most professional teams. I hope this helps.

 

Kit

 

JOHN B <jtwbjakarta wrote:

The question for the mundane astrologer is whether or not a NAME CHANGE

matters and is transformative. One must recognize numerologically that the

1907 NAME CHANGE to the Boston Red Sox " may or may not " be transformative of

the character of the team. If the change represents a new start, then 1901

is just a bygone. If, however, it was only a name change in 1907 then Kit's

contribution appears to be the one. Whether or not a change in character

took place is a matter requiring historical investigation. And if Kit can

answer this question straight away then all the better for getting on with

the study.

 

Kit Karson <skyguides wrote:

The Boston Pilgrim's played their first game on Apr 26 1901--3:30

pm---EST---American League Park---39n49 76w36 Their opponent was the Balt

Orioles who went on to become the New York Yankees. Is it any wonder their

rivalry is so intense.

 

Regards Kit

 

JOHN B wrote:

Hi Bill

 

This URL: basball-almanac .com is very helpful.

 

Therein we learn that the Boston Red Sox were first " named " by their owner

on December 18, 1907.

 

Good luck with your investigation

 

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/boston_pilgrims_story.shtml

 

Bill Gwyn wrote:Hi:

If anyone has the birthdata for the Boston Red Sox it will be interestring

to research the aspects of their turnaround and big win.

BG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chris,

 

Yeah, Boston could only have won the Series on the lunar eclipse.

There had to be that red moon above to accompany those red sox below.

 

Quod est Inferius est sicut quod est Superius, et quod est Superius

est sicut quod est Inferius, ad perpetranda Miracula Rei Unius...

That which is below corresponds to that which is above...etc...for the

accomplishment of the Miracle of (the) One Thing >>Winning the Series!

 

I like the 2/6/1895 because of the Mars-Uranus-Sun t-square with

Mars maybe angular...let's try the first so he can get diabetes.

 

Dark*Star

__________________

 

Christopher Kevill wrote:

 

> DS

>

> I have read that there are two birth dates for Ruth, the one you cite and

> another one 1 year and 1 day earlier (or later, I can't remember now). It

> goes back to his adoption and his unknown past.

>

> The curse could only be beaten on a lunar eclipse! They won the Series on

> the same day as that eclipse -- how appropriate is that?

>

[Guest guest]

Kit,

 

The NY Highlanders were the new 1903 franchise in the AL that were moved

from Baltimore. The name Yankees was a spontaneous nickname that was

adopted as their formal name in 1913.

 

It's anybody's guess which is the best chart here.

 

I agree however that for betting purposes one is best advised to follow the

strength in one's own chart.

 

Chris

 

-

" Kit Karson " <skyguides

 

Friday, October 29, 2004 9:33 PM

Re: Does anyone know the bithdata for the

Boston Red Sox

 

 

 

Chris....I'm not an authority on this subject. But I have bet more on

baseball than any other sport, mainly timing when my chart went good/bad.

Using the data from Jack Contreras I placed Bos/NY with the same birth

start. Pilgrims/Orioles Orioles who became the NYY. Knowing this I never

felt comfortable betting either team unless certain factors prevailed.

Who were the Highlanders and do they supercede the first Pilgrim/Balt

Oriole's game??

 

Kit

 

Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote:

Kit,

 

So what chart do you use for the Yankees? I don't see how they have the

same chart?

 

The Highlanders chart for the Yankees is the most obvious one -- it is the

beginning that is formally recognized now. On Apr 22 2003, they celebrated

100 years anniversary of Yankee baseball.

 

I like the fact that people are now talking about an A-Rod curse. Seems

that Seattle was nothing when he was there, then when he left, they got good

quickly and made the playoffs. Texas was terrible when he was there, and

once he left, they contended for the playoffs this year fo the first time in

ages. Now his karmic error of trying to dislodge the ball from Arroyo's

glove and then having the gall to play innocent and victimized to umpires

afterwards He is also not a plus in the clubhouse apparently.

 

Chris

 

 

Original Message -----

" Kit Karson " <skyguides

 

Friday, October 29, 2004 6:20 PM

Re: Does anyone know the bithdata for the

Boston Red Sox

 

 

 

Hi Chris......Never knew about Highlanders. The times I posted were from

Jack Contreras data. Always bothered me betting on either Bos/NY knowing

they had the same birth. But then you go to Prime Vertical charts and first

game of season to make a final bet.

 

Kit

 

Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote:

Hi Kit,

 

Thanks for posting this time for the Pilgrims. I think it is very useful

and reflects this World Series win clearly.

 

On the astrology of sports list, we had similar discussions about the

Yankees correct chart. Nothing definitive there, although the Highlanders

first game on Apr 22 1903 seems the best place to start. 3.30 pm was also

mentioned as the start time. To me, first game start times are the most

logical and most workable charts for sports franchises.

 

What's a little offputting about this Boston chart is that 3 Virgo rises --

the same rising degree as the Yankees proposed chart. With the approach of

the Saturn station at 3Cancer, one is tempted to use that to explain the

Yankee collapse. And yet this same Saturn aspect may have had a hand in the

Boston win.

Chris

 

 

 

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" Kit Karson " <skyguides

 

Friday, October 29, 2004 1:47 PM

Re: Does anyone know the bithdata for the

Boston Red Sox

 

 

 

Hi....Name changes and city locations change multiple times in the record

books. I think the SF Giants have 3 charts which I use. The ultimate test is

which chart works based on performance. Personally I like having another

chart for Boston now, because we can compare it to the NY Yankees. In

addition to using birth charts we also use the opening day game every year,

along with ALCS games. For the avid sports enthusiast I suggest contacting

Jack Contreras, who use to belong to this group. He has all the sports

entries for most professional teams. I hope this helps.

 

Kit

 

JOHN B <jtwbjakarta wrote:

The question for the mundane astrologer is whether or not a NAME CHANGE

matters and is transformative. One must recognize numerologically that the

1907 NAME CHANGE to the Boston Red Sox " may or may not " be transformative of

the character of the team. If the change represents a new start, then 1901

is just a bygone. If, however, it was only a name change in 1907 then Kit's

contribution appears to be the one. Whether or not a change in character

took place is a matter requiring historical investigation. And if Kit can

answer this question straight away then all the better for getting on with

the study.

 

Kit Karson <skyguides wrote:

The Boston Pilgrim's played their first game on Apr 26 1901--3:30

pm---EST---American League Park---39n49 76w36 Their opponent was the Balt

Orioles who went on to become the New York Yankees. Is it any wonder their

rivalry is so intense.

 

Regards Kit

 

JOHN B wrote:

Hi Bill

 

This URL: basball-almanac .com is very helpful.

 

Therein we learn that the Boston Red Sox were first " named " by their owner

on December 18, 1907.

 

Good luck with your investigation

 

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/boston_pilgrims_story.shtml

 

Bill Gwyn wrote:Hi:

If anyone has the birthdata for the Boston Red Sox it will be interestring

to research the aspects of their turnaround and big win.

BG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

DS

 

I agree the 2.6.95 chart has a lot going for it. Esp in synastry with the

Red Sox chart and the curse. Ruth's Jupiter is conj Sox Neptune (his

success is in their dreams/nightmares). Ruth's Saturn opposes the Sox Sun

(he frustrates their self confidence and is the source of loss)

 

Chris

 

 

-

" Dark Star " <pansophia

 

Friday, October 29, 2004 10:14 PM

Re: Does anyone know the bithdata for the

Boston Red Sox

 

 

>

>

> Chris,

>

> Yeah, Boston could only have won the Series on the lunar eclipse.

> There had to be that red moon above to accompany those red sox below.

>

> Quod est Inferius est sicut quod est Superius, et quod est Superius

> est sicut quod est Inferius, ad perpetranda Miracula Rei Unius...

> That which is below corresponds to that which is above...etc...for the

> accomplishment of the Miracle of (the) One Thing >>Winning the Series!

>

> I like the 2/6/1895 because of the Mars-Uranus-Sun t-square with

> Mars maybe angular...let's try the first so he can get diabetes.

>

> Dark*Star

> __________________

>

> Christopher Kevill wrote:

>

> > DS

> >

> > I have read that there are two birth dates for Ruth, the one you cite

and

> > another one 1 year and 1 day earlier (or later, I can't remember now).

It

> > goes back to his adoption and his unknown past.

> >

> > The curse could only be beaten on a lunar eclipse! They won the Series

on

> > the same day as that eclipse -- how appropriate is that?

> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " -----

>

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[Guest guest]

Yea... and Boston(Kerry) won in Busch(Bush) Stadium...

 

Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote:

DS

 

I agree the 2.6.95 chart has a lot going for it. Esp in synastry with the

Red Sox chart and the curse. Ruth's Jupiter is conj Sox Neptune (his

success is in their dreams/nightmares). Ruth's Saturn opposes the Sox Sun

(he frustrates their self confidence and is the source of loss)

 

Chris

 

 

-

" Dark Star "

 

To:

Friday, October 29, 2004 10:14 PM

Re: Does anyone know the bithdata for the

Boston Red Sox

 

 

>

>

> Chris,

>

> Yeah, Boston could only have won the Series on the lunar eclipse.

> There had to be that red moon above to accompany those red sox below.

>

> Quod est Inferius est sicut quod est Superius, et quod est Superius

> est sicut quod est Inferius, ad perpetranda Miracula Rei Unius...

> That which is below corresponds to that which is above...etc...for the

> accomplishment of the Miracle of (the) One Thing >>Winning the Series!

>

> I like the 2/6/1895 because of the Mars-Uranus-Sun t-square with

> Mars maybe angular...let's try the first so he can get diabetes.

>

> Dark*Star

> __________________

>

> Christopher Kevill wrote:

>

> > DS

> >

> > I have read that there are two birth dates for Ruth, the one you cite

and

> > another one 1 year and 1 day earlier (or later, I can't remember now).

It

> > goes back to his adoption and his unknown past.

> >

> > The curse could only be beaten on a lunar eclipse! They won the Series

on

> > the same day as that eclipse -- how appropriate is that?

> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " -----

>

> Post message:

> Subscribe: -

> Un: -

> List owner: -owner

>

> Shortcut URL to this page:

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>