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Cynthia, if you can, it would be fun to post some of the charts--post the

data and tell us how the month turned out. I should do the same. No one in

my immediate family is living where they were born. In relation to the

election charts, Kerry's wife's chart should really tell us something

(natal vs. locale) since she was born in Africa. I was born in Pennsylvania

and now live in California.

 

Therese

 

At 08:01 PM 10/20/04 -0500, you wrote:

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>Dear Therese

>This is exactly what I'm watching. It's shaping up like the natal returns

>are stronger, but I'll keep trying. I can really see the validity in

>returns for people who are living where they were born. It's sometimes down

>right spooky.

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Dear Therese

So far I've only looked at Solar Returns, but I'd be glad to do the same

with lunars and post.

 

Hmmm, since I'm seeing things in an off and irritable light...maybe I'd

better look at my lunar return.

 

c

 

 

Therese Hamilton [eastwest]

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 9:11 PM

Return Charts

 

 

Cynthia, if you can, it would be fun to post some of the charts--post the

data and tell us how the month turned out. I should do the same. No one in

my immediate family is living where they were born. In relation to the

election charts, Kerry's wife's chart should really tell us something

(natal vs. locale) since she was born in Africa. I was born in

Pennsylvania

and now live in California.

 

Therese

 

At 08:01 PM 10/20/04 -0500, you wrote:

>

>Dear Therese

>This is exactly what I'm watching. It's shaping up like the natal

returns

>are stronger, but I'll keep trying. I can really see the validity in

>returns for people who are living where they were born. It's sometimes

down

>right spooky.

 

 

 

 

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At 05:28 PM 11/10/04 -0600, Cynthia wrote:

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>

>I was intrigued by return charts, now I'm back to holding them at bay.

>There sure looked like a bigger change for W in his SR....at least to my

>novice's eyes.

 

I also have decided that return charts are open to question, or at least

they way they are traditionally interpreted. But I'm very tired of looking

at them for the time being. No siderealist on this list has offered any

'words of wisdom' about the election returns, so I'll stay with John

Frawley's take on prediction. Beats my own!

 

Therese

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Hi Therese,

 

I'll just use the example you brought up two weeks ago:

Bush's SLR Oct. 13 (New Haven).

 

Pluto conjoins MC by one degree. I will quote Solar Fire 5 so my hand

won't have to be crossed with silver... " You will be a powerful leader in

your career and you may use your profession to feel powerful. You may

experience major upheavals in you work environment. "

How could he lose?

 

Please know that good astrologers make many predictions.

They are frequently wrong.

 

Best,

Dark*Star

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Therese Hamilton wrote:

 

> At 05:28 PM 11/10/04 -0600, Cynthia wrote:

> >

> >

> >I was intrigued by return charts, now I'm back to holding them at bay.

> >There sure looked like a bigger change for W in his SR....at least to my

> >novice's eyes.

>

> I also have decided that return charts are open to question, or at least

> they way they are traditionally interpreted. But I'm very tired of looking

> at them for the time being. No siderealist on this list has offered any

> 'words of wisdom' about the election returns, so I'll stay with John

> Frawley's take on prediction. Beats my own!

>

> Therese

>

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At 09:39 PM 11/10/04 -0800, Dark*Star wrote:

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>I'll just use the example you brought up two weeks ago:

>Bush's SLR Oct. 13 (New Haven).

>

>Pluto conjoins MC by one degree. I will quote Solar Fire 5 so my hand

>won't have to be crossed with silver... " You will be a powerful leader in

>your career and you may use your profession to feel powerful.

 

Verdict: A win (Except the conjunction to natal south node bothers me

greatly.)

 

>You may experience major upheavals in your work environment. "

 

Verdict: A loss, no? (Otherwise, where are the upheavals?)

 

>Please know that good astrologers make many predictions.

>They are frequently wrong.

 

.....then we're all students!

 

Therese

 

P.S. Solar Fire has interpretations???

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Therese Hamilton wrote:

 

>

> Verdict: A win (Except the conjunction to natal south node bothers me

> greatly.)

 

--It shouldn't...meaning here that he becomes the head of a whole mess of

people.

________________

 

>

>

> >You may experience major upheavals in your work environment. "

>

> Verdict: A loss, no? (Otherwise, where are the upheavals?)

 

--The interpretations are by Stephanie Johnson of Esoteric Technologies. She

seems like a good sort so let me just stand in...Upheavals are are just one

of the 101 possibilities for Pluto here. Pluto occurs on the MC in this chart

but in segue to his next SLR, Pluto and Mercury straddle the IC...likely the

growing storm in Ohio with vote counting.

________________

 

>

>

> >Please know that good astrologers make many predictions.

> >They are frequently wrong.

>

> ....then we're all students!

 

--In capitals: STUDENTS!

__________________

 

>

>

> Therese

>

> P.S. Solar Fire has interpretations???

 

--You're pulling my leg, right? But it feels good so click cursor twice on

any planet to bring up the interpretation window for planet in house and

sign. For aspect and orb click once an a planet and quickly on another to

bring up their connection.

_______________

 

Dark*Star

 

>

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At 11:42 PM 11/10/04 -0800, D* wrote:

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>--In capitals: STUDENTS!

 

AMEN!!

 

>> P.S. Solar Fire has interpretations???

>

>--You're pulling my leg, right? But it feels good so click cursor twice on

>any planet to bring up the interpretation window for planet in house and

>sign. For aspect and orb click once an a planet and quickly on another to

>bring up their connection.

 

Not kidding. I missed that feature. (Just tried it....cool!)

 

T.

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