Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 From Chris Kevill in response to the prediction Kerry/Edwards prediction: " So Kerry wins, then Kerry dies between Nov and Jan and Edwards takes over? That's pretty far out alright... " Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 If Kerry is elected and then dies in December... A new election would take place. Edwards would not become President-elect. Kerry is not the President until he takes the oath in January hence Edwards would be able to succeed him..... Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: From Chris Kevill in response to the prediction Kerry/Edwards prediction: " So Kerry wins, then Kerry dies between Nov and Jan and Edwards takes over? That's pretty far out alright... " Chris " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Hello, Edward can't be President in January because Mars of transit is in opposition with his Mars natal, despite the Jupiter come back in his Saturn natal... Patrice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 At 01:15 AM 10/17/04 -0700, Juan wrote: > >If Kerry is elected and then dies in December... Kenneth Bowser suggested there might be a question of illness. I'm not sure if he mentioned death. It's obvious however, that John Edwards appears to have powerful charts in 2005. >>A new election would take place. Edwards would not become President-elect. Kerry is not the President until he takes the oath in January hence Edwards would be able to succeed him..... Thanks for this note. I didn't know that. Possibly Kerry can be inaugurated but not hold on afterward. There's always a way out. No one has seen any birth records either for Kerry or Edwards. We're going on supposition for birth times, and that's what everyone's prediction is based on. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: There's always a way out. No one has seen any birth records either for Kerry or Edwards. We're going on supposition for birth times, and that's what everyone's prediction is based on. Therese If this is the case..... How can anyone hang their hat on the conviction that Kerry will win the Election? I puroused your website(nice set-up) and looked over the charts you are using for Kerry and Edwards.... gotta tell you.... As a siderealist who utilizes the Fagan/Stahl/Firebrace/Allen/Blackwell school of calculation I am looking at very different " pictures/charts " ..... I will put together a few charts and offer my perspective. Who knows how we may look at different " pictures " and come up with the same conclusion. Both of us at one time thought the scales balanced favorably for Dubya.... Perspectives change, reading symbolism as an artful language is an extension of these mathematics and the differences are as close as a horse race. Dubya's lunar return prior to the election cast for Washington D.C. shows Pluto at the MC. How does that manifest? hmmmm If Kerry's natal data is correct(Dec 11, 1943 and corrected to Washington @ 9:10 am ewt) at appox 10:15 PM EDT on the evening of October 2nd with the Moon rising, Kerry will appear to be elected. By 10:30 PM when Saturn rises(Dubya's Natal Saturn as well) the end of Dubya's run as the only court designated President will manifest itself. View Kerry's Lunar return prior to election cast for Washington and then Progress the angles to election day. We'll see.... Juan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 " ELECTION DAY " is DECEMBER 13, 2004..... For the confused, please refer to Al Gore in November 2000 (THE WINNER) and the same Al Gore in December 2000 (THE LOSER). JOHN Juan Oliver <jivio wrote: Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: There's always a way out. No one has seen any birth records either for Kerry or Edwards. We're going on supposition for birth times, and that's what everyone's prediction is based on. Therese If this is the case..... How can anyone hang their hat on the conviction that Kerry will win the Election? I puroused your website(nice set-up) and looked over the charts you are using for Kerry and Edwards.... gotta tell you.... As a siderealist who utilizes the Fagan/Stahl/Firebrace/Allen/Blackwell school of calculation I am looking at very different " pictures/charts " ..... I will put together a few charts and offer my perspective. Who knows how we may look at different " pictures " and come up with the same conclusion. Both of us at one time thought the scales balanced favorably for Dubya.... Perspectives change, reading symbolism as an artful language is an extension of these mathematics and the differences are as close as a horse race. Dubya's lunar return prior to the election cast for Washington D.C. shows Pluto at the MC. How does that manifest? hmmmm If Kerry's natal data is correct(Dec 11, 1943 and corrected to Washington @ 9:10 am ewt) at appox 10:15 PM EDT on the evening of October 2nd with the Moon rising, Kerry will appear to be elected. By 10:30 PM when Saturn rises(Dubya's Natal Saturn as well) the end of Dubya's run as the only court designated President will manifest itself. View Kerry's Lunar return prior to election cast for Washington and then Progress the angles to election day. We'll see.... Juan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Maybe in the UK... In the USA, Election Day is Nov. 2nd. 2004... What does this mean? " For the confused, please refer to Al Gore in November 2000 (THE WINNER) and the same Al Gore in December 2000 (THE LOSERone " refer " to Al Gore " Juan JOHN B <jtwbjakarta wrote: " ELECTION DAY " is DECEMBER 13, 2004..... For the confused, please refer to Al Gore in November 2000 (THE WINNER) and the same Al Gore in December 2000 (THE LOSER). JOHN Juan Oliver wrote: Therese Hamilton wrote: There's always a way out. No one has seen any birth records either for Kerry or Edwards. We're going on supposition for birth times, and that's what everyone's prediction is based on. Therese If this is the case..... How can anyone hang their hat on the conviction that Kerry will win the Election? I puroused your website(nice set-up) and looked over the charts you are using for Kerry and Edwards.... gotta tell you.... As a siderealist who utilizes the Fagan/Stahl/Firebrace/Allen/Blackwell school of calculation I am looking at very different " pictures/charts " ..... I will put together a few charts and offer my perspective. Who knows how we may look at different " pictures " and come up with the same conclusion. Both of us at one time thought the scales balanced favorably for Dubya.... Perspectives change, reading symbolism as an artful language is an extension of these mathematics and the differences are as close as a horse race. Dubya's lunar return prior to the election cast for Washington D.C. shows Pluto at the MC. How does that manifest? hmmmm If Kerry's natal data is correct(Dec 11, 1943 and corrected to Washington @ 9:10 am ewt) at appox 10:15 PM EDT on the evening of October 2nd with the Moon rising, Kerry will appear to be elected. By 10:30 PM when Saturn rises(Dubya's Natal Saturn as well) the end of Dubya's run as the only court designated President will manifest itself. View Kerry's Lunar return prior to election cast for Washington and then Progress the angles to election day. We'll see.... Juan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 REPEAT AFTER ME CLASS ... THIS IS " USA " " CIVICS 101 " ...... On November 2, 2004 is scheduled the General Election for various candidacies for the Legislative and Executive branches of the Federal Government. Unlike the Legislative elections, which are DIRECT, the Executive elections (President & Vice President) are INDIRECT, ....because.... the people vote for their ELECTORS, electors who in turn during the following month convene in 51 separate locations (awkwardly referred to as the ELECTORAL COLLEGE), there to vote directly for the candidates. The outcome mathematics of this process can be tricky as history has witnessed a few times over the past 216 years: where a candidate may gain the largest percentage of popular votes in November, yet that candidate still may not gain the largest percentage of electoral college votes in December. MOST RECENT EXAMPLE: The Year 2000 elections: Al Gore WON in NOVEMBER; LOST in DECEMBER. Yes, Yes... It gets even more complicated in the event that there is no majority winner in December ..... However, be that as it may, for the purposes of predicting this year's election's outcome, ONLY DECEMBER MATTERS, since the U.S. electoral process is decidedly most unlike a game of horseshoes. IN OTHER WORDS (TO BELABOR THE POINT). IF AN ASTROLOGER CHOOSES TO FORECAST THE OUTCOME OF THIS YEAR'S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: Forget November 2, 2004 ...... IT'S ALL ABOUT ..... " " " " " DECEMBER 13, 2004 " " " " " " AND TO THERESE, BERT, ED AND OTHER GIFTED ASTROLOGERS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS GROUP AND DON " T FIT THE PROFILE OF THE FOLLOWING QUOTATION, MY APOLOGIES FOR THE RUDENESS OF THE QUOTATION NOW APPENDED: (Wm J. Tucker, FORECASTING WORLD EVENTS: A Textbook Of Mundane Astrology, Revealing The Scientific Principles Behind The Astrological Process Of Realistically And Accurately Forecasting Coming Political Events In The World, pub. 1960, page 15) " Any scientist who takes the trouble to examine the tenets of what has hitherto passed as Mundane Astrology, must surely come to the conclusion that astrologers are very simple-minded persons. Persons of uncritical mentality who habitually accept unchallenged the most outrageous of statements " I'm JOHN B., born November 9, 1947, 01:44 am, Carle Place, New York: THE NEW YORK WHICH IS IN THE " " " " " USA " " " " " " Juan Oliver <jivio wrote: Maybe in the UK... In the USA, Election Day is Nov. 2nd. 2004... What does this mean? " For the confused, please refer to Al Gore in November 2000 (THE WINNER) and the same Al Gore in December 2000 (THE LOSERone " refer " to Al Gore " Juan JOHN B <jtwbjakarta wrote: " ELECTION DAY " is DECEMBER 13, 2004..... For the confused, please refer to Al Gore in November 2000 (THE WINNER) and the same Al Gore in December 2000 (THE LOSER). JOHN Juan Oliver wrote: Therese Hamilton wrote: There's always a way out. No one has seen any birth records either for Kerry or Edwards. We're going on supposition for birth times, and that's what everyone's prediction is based on. Therese If this is the case..... How can anyone hang their hat on the conviction that Kerry will win the Election? I puroused your website(nice set-up) and looked over the charts you are using for Kerry and Edwards.... gotta tell you.... As a siderealist who utilizes the Fagan/Stahl/Firebrace/Allen/Blackwell school of calculation I am looking at very different " pictures/charts " ..... I will put together a few charts and offer my perspective. Who knows how we may look at different " pictures " and come up with the same conclusion. Both of us at one time thought the scales balanced favorably for Dubya.... Perspectives change, reading symbolism as an artful language is an extension of these mathematics and the differences are as close as a horse race. Dubya's lunar return prior to the election cast for Washington D.C. shows Pluto at the MC. How does that manifest? hmmmm If Kerry's natal data is correct(Dec 11, 1943 and corrected to Washington @ 9:10 am ewt) at appox 10:15 PM EDT on the evening of October 2nd with the Moon rising, Kerry will appear to be elected. By 10:30 PM when Saturn rises(Dubya's Natal Saturn as well) the end of Dubya's run as the only court designated President will manifest itself. View Kerry's Lunar return prior to election cast for Washington and then Progress the angles to election day. We'll see.... Juan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 dude.... you believe what you want...and justify how you want... Reality is simple... The election will occur on Nov. 2nd... and this day provides the 1st real opportunity to determine the winner of the Presidential Election. There is validity in casting a chart for the day that the electoial college convenes for its vote... and yes those who vote do so independently. There is also validity to cast a chart for Inagural. All dates should be looked at so that a genuine(research) effort is conducted. to determine the " Prediction " of who will be President. As for your Pluto/Mars Square Chiron/Sun, I surely recognize the compliment you bring to my life. Regards, Juan PS: Looking at the Lunar Returns for the candidates provides sufficient evidence that this election is a horse race.... Who are the winners in this election? JOHN B <jtwbjakarta wrote: REPEAT AFTER ME CLASS ... THIS IS " USA " " CIVICS 101 " ...... On November 2, 2004 is scheduled the General Election for various candidacies for the Legislative and Executive branches of the Federal Government. Unlike the Legislative elections, which are DIRECT, the Executive elections (President & Vice President) are INDIRECT, ....because.... the people vote for their ELECTORS, electors who in turn during the following month convene in 51 separate locations (awkwardly referred to as the ELECTORAL COLLEGE), there to vote directly for the candidates. The outcome mathematics of this process can be tricky as history has witnessed a few times over the past 216 years: where a candidate may gain the largest percentage of popular votes in November, yet that candidate still may not gain the largest percentage of electoral college votes in December. MOST RECENT EXAMPLE: The Year 2000 elections: Al Gore WON in NOVEMBER; LOST in DECEMBER. Yes, Yes... It gets even more complicated in the event that there is no majority winner in December ..... However, be that as it may, for the purposes of predicting this year's election's outcome, ONLY DECEMBER MATTERS, since the U.S. electoral process is decidedly most unlike a game of horseshoes. IN OTHER WORDS (TO BELABOR THE POINT). IF AN ASTROLOGER CHOOSES TO FORECAST THE OUTCOME OF THIS YEAR'S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: Forget November 2, 2004 ...... IT'S ALL ABOUT ..... " " " " " DECEMBER 13, 2004 " " " " " " AND TO THERESE, BERT, ED AND OTHER GIFTED ASTROLOGERS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS GROUP AND DON " T FIT THE PROFILE OF THE FOLLOWING QUOTATION, MY APOLOGIES FOR THE RUDENESS OF THE QUOTATION NOW APPENDED: (Wm J. Tucker, FORECASTING WORLD EVENTS: A Textbook Of Mundane Astrology, Revealing The Scientific Principles Behind The Astrological Process Of Realistically And Accurately Forecasting Coming Political Events In The World, pub. 1960, page 15) " Any scientist who takes the trouble to examine the tenets of what has hitherto passed as Mundane Astrology, must surely come to the conclusion that astrologers are very simple-minded persons. Persons of uncritical mentality who habitually accept unchallenged the most outrageous of statements " I'm JOHN B., born November 9, 1947, 01:44 am, Carle Place, New York: THE NEW YORK WHICH IS IN THE " " " " " USA " " " " " " Juan Oliver wrote: Maybe in the UK... In the USA, Election Day is Nov. 2nd. 2004... What does this mean? " For the confused, please refer to Al Gore in November 2000 (THE WINNER) and the same Al Gore in December 2000 (THE LOSERone " refer " to Al Gore " Juan JOHN B wrote: " ELECTION DAY " is DECEMBER 13, 2004..... For the confused, please refer to Al Gore in November 2000 (THE WINNER) and the same Al Gore in December 2000 (THE LOSER). JOHN Juan Oliver wrote: Therese Hamilton wrote: There's always a way out. No one has seen any birth records either for Kerry or Edwards. We're going on supposition for birth times, and that's what everyone's prediction is based on. Therese If this is the case..... How can anyone hang their hat on the conviction that Kerry will win the Election? I puroused your website(nice set-up) and looked over the charts you are using for Kerry and Edwards.... gotta tell you.... As a siderealist who utilizes the Fagan/Stahl/Firebrace/Allen/Blackwell school of calculation I am looking at very different " pictures/charts " ..... I will put together a few charts and offer my perspective. Who knows how we may look at different " pictures " and come up with the same conclusion. Both of us at one time thought the scales balanced favorably for Dubya.... Perspectives change, reading symbolism as an artful language is an extension of these mathematics and the differences are as close as a horse race. Dubya's lunar return prior to the election cast for Washington D.C. shows Pluto at the MC. How does that manifest? hmmmm If Kerry's natal data is correct(Dec 11, 1943 and corrected to Washington @ 9:10 am ewt) at appox 10:15 PM EDT on the evening of October 2nd with the Moon rising, Kerry will appear to be elected. By 10:30 PM when Saturn rises(Dubya's Natal Saturn as well) the end of Dubya's run as the only court designated President will manifest itself. View Kerry's Lunar return prior to election cast for Washington and then Progress the angles to election day. We'll see.... Juan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Thanks Juan ... I forwarded your comment to Al Gore .... Cheers Juan Oliver <jivio wrote:dude.... you believe what you want...and justify how you want... Reality is simple... The election will occur on Nov. 2nd... and this day provides the 1st real opportunity to determine the winner of the Presidential Election. There is validity in casting a chart for the day that the electoial college convenes for its vote... and yes those who vote do so independently. There is also validity to cast a chart for Inagural. All dates should be looked at so that a genuine(research) effort is conducted. to determine the " Prediction " of who will be President. As for your Pluto/Mars Square Chiron/Sun, I surely recognize the compliment you bring to my life. Regards, Juan PS: Looking at the Lunar Returns for the candidates provides sufficient evidence that this election is a horse race.... Who are the winners in this election? JOHN B <jtwbjakarta wrote: REPEAT AFTER ME CLASS ... THIS IS " USA " " CIVICS 101 " ...... On November 2, 2004 is scheduled the General Election for various candidacies for the Legislative and Executive branches of the Federal Government. Unlike the Legislative elections, which are DIRECT, the Executive elections (President & Vice President) are INDIRECT, ....because.... the people vote for their ELECTORS, electors who in turn during the following month convene in 51 separate locations (awkwardly referred to as the ELECTORAL COLLEGE), there to vote directly for the candidates. The outcome mathematics of this process can be tricky as history has witnessed a few times over the past 216 years: where a candidate may gain the largest percentage of popular votes in November, yet that candidate still may not gain the largest percentage of electoral college votes in December. MOST RECENT EXAMPLE: The Year 2000 elections: Al Gore WON in NOVEMBER; LOST in DECEMBER. Yes, Yes... It gets even more complicated in the event that there is no majority winner in December ..... However, be that as it may, for the purposes of predicting this year's election's outcome, ONLY DECEMBER MATTERS, since the U.S. electoral process is decidedly most unlike a game of horseshoes. IN OTHER WORDS (TO BELABOR THE POINT). IF AN ASTROLOGER CHOOSES TO FORECAST THE OUTCOME OF THIS YEAR'S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: Forget November 2, 2004 ...... IT'S ALL ABOUT ..... " " " " " DECEMBER 13, 2004 " " " " " " AND TO THERESE, BERT, ED AND OTHER GIFTED ASTROLOGERS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS GROUP AND DON " T FIT THE PROFILE OF THE FOLLOWING QUOTATION, MY APOLOGIES FOR THE RUDENESS OF THE QUOTATION NOW APPENDED: (Wm J. Tucker, FORECASTING WORLD EVENTS: A Textbook Of Mundane Astrology, Revealing The Scientific Principles Behind The Astrological Process Of Realistically And Accurately Forecasting Coming Political Events In The World, pub. 1960, page 15) " Any scientist who takes the trouble to examine the tenets of what has hitherto passed as Mundane Astrology, must surely come to the conclusion that astrologers are very simple-minded persons. Persons of uncritical mentality who habitually accept unchallenged the most outrageous of statements " I'm JOHN B., born November 9, 1947, 01:44 am, Carle Place, New York: THE NEW YORK WHICH IS IN THE " " " " " USA " " " " " " Juan Oliver wrote: Maybe in the UK... In the USA, Election Day is Nov. 2nd. 2004... What does this mean? " For the confused, please refer to Al Gore in November 2000 (THE WINNER) and the same Al Gore in December 2000 (THE LOSERone " refer " to Al Gore " Juan JOHN B wrote: " ELECTION DAY " is DECEMBER 13, 2004..... For the confused, please refer to Al Gore in November 2000 (THE WINNER) and the same Al Gore in December 2000 (THE LOSER). JOHN Juan Oliver wrote: Therese Hamilton wrote: There's always a way out. No one has seen any birth records either for Kerry or Edwards. We're going on supposition for birth times, and that's what everyone's prediction is based on. Therese If this is the case..... How can anyone hang their hat on the conviction that Kerry will win the Election? I puroused your website(nice set-up) and looked over the charts you are using for Kerry and Edwards.... gotta tell you.... As a siderealist who utilizes the Fagan/Stahl/Firebrace/Allen/Blackwell school of calculation I am looking at very different " pictures/charts " ..... I will put together a few charts and offer my perspective. Who knows how we may look at different " pictures " and come up with the same conclusion. Both of us at one time thought the scales balanced favorably for Dubya.... Perspectives change, reading symbolism as an artful language is an extension of these mathematics and the differences are as close as a horse race. Dubya's lunar return prior to the election cast for Washington D.C. shows Pluto at the MC. How does that manifest? hmmmm If Kerry's natal data is correct(Dec 11, 1943 and corrected to Washington @ 9:10 am ewt) at appox 10:15 PM EDT on the evening of October 2nd with the Moon rising, Kerry will appear to be elected. By 10:30 PM when Saturn rises(Dubya's Natal Saturn as well) the end of Dubya's run as the only court designated President will manifest itself. View Kerry's Lunar return prior to election cast for Washington and then Progress the angles to election day. We'll see.... Juan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 John, - " JOHN B " <jtwbjakarta Monday, October 18, 2004 6:26 AM Re: Election 2004 from Chris K. > > REPEAT AFTER ME CLASS ... THIS IS " USA " " CIVICS 101 " ...... > > On November 2, 2004 is scheduled the General Election for various candidacies for the Legislative and Executive branches of the Federal Government. Unlike the Legislative elections, which are DIRECT, the Executive elections (President & Vice President) are INDIRECT, .....because.... the people vote for their ELECTORS, electors who in turn during the following month convene in 51 separate locations (awkwardly referred to as the ELECTORAL COLLEGE), there to vote directly for the candidates. The outcome mathematics of this process can be tricky as history has witnessed a few times over the past 216 years: where a candidate may gain the largest percentage of popular votes in November, yet that candidate still may not gain the largest percentage of electoral college votes in December. MOST RECENT EXAMPLE: The Year 2000 elections: Al Gore WON in NOVEMBER; LOST in DECEMBER. > > Yes, Yes... It gets even more complicated in the event that there is no majority winner in December ..... However, be that as it may, for the purposes of predicting this year's election's outcome, ONLY DECEMBER MATTERS, since the U.S. electoral process is decidedly most unlike a game of horseshoes. > > IN OTHER WORDS (TO BELABOR THE POINT). IF AN ASTROLOGER CHOOSES TO FORECAST THE OUTCOME OF THIS YEAR'S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: Forget November 2, 2004 ...... IT'S ALL ABOUT ..... " " " " " DECEMBER 13, 2004 " " " " " " OK, but only in a formal sense. Even in the midst of the turbulence of the 2000 election, the question of electors was never really considered. There was talk of it, mind you, with open speculation on " faithless electors " and so forth. But it was all pretty much a formality. And so if we have a disputed result this time, which I think we will, the idea that the electors can be swayed or not follow the dictates of their states voters seems very unlikely to me. And it's not only Nov 2 that astrologers ought to pay attention to, but also the fixed date of the inauguration on Jan 20. Both dates should have some special action to them. > > AND TO THERESE, BERT, ED AND OTHER GIFTED ASTROLOGERS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS GROUP AND DON " T FIT THE PROFILE OF THE FOLLOWING QUOTATION, MY APOLOGIES FOR THE RUDENESS OF THE QUOTATION NOW APPENDED: > > (Wm J. Tucker, FORECASTING WORLD EVENTS: A Textbook Of Mundane Astrology, Revealing The Scientific Principles Behind The Astrological Process Of Realistically And Accurately Forecasting Coming Political Events In The World, pub. 1960, page 15) > > " Any scientist who takes the trouble to examine the tenets of what has hitherto passed as Mundane Astrology, must surely come to the conclusion that astrologers are very simple-minded persons. Persons of uncritical mentality who habitually accept unchallenged the most outrageous of statements " > I like this quote a lot. This goes for 99% of astrologers in fact. I don't know Tucker. What are the highlights of his approach? > I'm JOHN B., born November 9, 1947, 01:44 am, Carle Place, New York: THE NEW YORK WHICH IS IN THE " " " " " USA " " " " " " thanks for your contributions, Chris > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release 7/2/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 No charge johnny...... JOHN B <jtwbjakarta wrote: Thanks Juan ... I forwarded your comment to Al Gore .... Cheers Juan Oliver wrote:dude.... you believe what you want...and justify how you want... Reality is simple... The election will occur on Nov. 2nd... and this day provides the 1st real opportunity to determine the winner of the Presidential Election. There is validity in casting a chart for the day that the electoial college convenes for its vote... and yes those who vote do so independently. There is also validity to cast a chart for Inagural. All dates should be looked at so that a genuine(research) effort is conducted. to determine the " Prediction " of who will be President. As for your Pluto/Mars Square Chiron/Sun, I surely recognize the compliment you bring to my life. Regards, Juan PS: Looking at the Lunar Returns for the candidates provides sufficient evidence that this election is a horse race.... Who are the winners in this election? JOHN B wrote: REPEAT AFTER ME CLASS ... THIS IS " USA " " CIVICS 101 " ...... On November 2, 2004 is scheduled the General Election for various candidacies for the Legislative and Executive branches of the Federal Government. Unlike the Legislative elections, which are DIRECT, the Executive elections (President & Vice President) are INDIRECT, ....because.... the people vote for their ELECTORS, electors who in turn during the following month convene in 51 separate locations (awkwardly referred to as the ELECTORAL COLLEGE), there to vote directly for the candidates. The outcome mathematics of this process can be tricky as history has witnessed a few times over the past 216 years: where a candidate may gain the largest percentage of popular votes in November, yet that candidate still may not gain the largest percentage of electoral college votes in December. MOST RECENT EXAMPLE: The Year 2000 elections: Al Gore WON in NOVEMBER; LOST in DECEMBER. Yes, Yes... It gets even more complicated in the event that there is no majority winner in December ..... However, be that as it may, for the purposes of predicting this year's election's outcome, ONLY DECEMBER MATTERS, since the U.S. electoral process is decidedly most unlike a game of horseshoes. IN OTHER WORDS (TO BELABOR THE POINT). IF AN ASTROLOGER CHOOSES TO FORECAST THE OUTCOME OF THIS YEAR'S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: Forget November 2, 2004 ...... IT'S ALL ABOUT ..... " " " " " DECEMBER 13, 2004 " " " " " " AND TO THERESE, BERT, ED AND OTHER GIFTED ASTROLOGERS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS GROUP AND DON " T FIT THE PROFILE OF THE FOLLOWING QUOTATION, MY APOLOGIES FOR THE RUDENESS OF THE QUOTATION NOW APPENDED: (Wm J. Tucker, FORECASTING WORLD EVENTS: A Textbook Of Mundane Astrology, Revealing The Scientific Principles Behind The Astrological Process Of Realistically And Accurately Forecasting Coming Political Events In The World, pub. 1960, page 15) " Any scientist who takes the trouble to examine the tenets of what has hitherto passed as Mundane Astrology, must surely come to the conclusion that astrologers are very simple-minded persons. Persons of uncritical mentality who habitually accept unchallenged the most outrageous of statements " I'm JOHN B., born November 9, 1947, 01:44 am, Carle Place, New York: THE NEW YORK WHICH IS IN THE " " " " " USA " " " " " " Juan Oliver wrote: Maybe in the UK... In the USA, Election Day is Nov. 2nd. 2004... What does this mean? " For the confused, please refer to Al Gore in November 2000 (THE WINNER) and the same Al Gore in December 2000 (THE LOSERone " refer " to Al Gore " Juan JOHN B wrote: " ELECTION DAY " is DECEMBER 13, 2004..... For the confused, please refer to Al Gore in November 2000 (THE WINNER) and the same Al Gore in December 2000 (THE LOSER). JOHN Juan Oliver wrote: Therese Hamilton wrote: There's always a way out. No one has seen any birth records either for Kerry or Edwards. We're going on supposition for birth times, and that's what everyone's prediction is based on. Therese If this is the case..... How can anyone hang their hat on the conviction that Kerry will win the Election? I puroused your website(nice set-up) and looked over the charts you are using for Kerry and Edwards.... gotta tell you.... As a siderealist who utilizes the Fagan/Stahl/Firebrace/Allen/Blackwell school of calculation I am looking at very different " pictures/charts " ..... I will put together a few charts and offer my perspective. Who knows how we may look at different " pictures " and come up with the same conclusion. Both of us at one time thought the scales balanced favorably for Dubya.... Perspectives change, reading symbolism as an artful language is an extension of these mathematics and the differences are as close as a horse race. Dubya's lunar return prior to the election cast for Washington D.C. shows Pluto at the MC. How does that manifest? hmmmm If Kerry's natal data is correct(Dec 11, 1943 and corrected to Washington @ 9:10 am ewt) at appox 10:15 PM EDT on the evening of October 2nd with the Moon rising, Kerry will appear to be elected. By 10:30 PM when Saturn rises(Dubya's Natal Saturn as well) the end of Dubya's run as the only court designated President will manifest itself. View Kerry's Lunar return prior to election cast for Washington and then Progress the angles to election day. We'll see.... Juan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 hello john, PLUTO-MERCURY PROMPTED BY THE INNERS OFTEN EXPRESSES WITH CAPITAL LETTERS...which isn't a bad thing as long as you're not planning to start a religion around it. Dark*Star --------------- JOHN B wrote: > REPEAT AFTER ME CLASS ... THIS IS " USA " " CIVICS 101 " ...... > > December. MOST RECENT EXAMPLE: The Year 2000 elections: Al Gore WON in NOVEMBER; LOST in DECEMBER. > > this year's election's outcome, ONLY DECEMBER MATTERS, since the U.S. electoral process is decidedly most unlike a game of horseshoes. > > IN OTHER WORDS (TO BELABOR THE POINT). IF AN ASTROLOGER CHOOSES TO FORECAST THE OUTCOME OF THIS YEAR'S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: Forget November 2, 2004 ...... IT'S ALL ABOUT ..... " " " " " DECEMBER 13, 2004 " " " " " " > > AND TO THERESE, BERT, ED AND OTHER GIFTED ASTROLOGERS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS GROUP AND DON " T FIT THE PROFILE OF THE FOLLOWING QUOTATION, MY APOLOGIES FOR THE RUDENESS OF THE QUOTATION NOW APPENDED: > > (Wm J. Tucker, FORECASTING WORLD EVENTS: A Textbook Of Mundane Astrology, Revealing The Scientific Principles Behind The Astrological Process Of Realistically And Accurately Forecasting Coming Political Events In The World, pub. 1960, page 15) > > > I'm JOHN B., born November 9, 1947, 01:44 am, Carle Place, New York: THE NEW YORK WHICH IS IN THE " " " " " USA " " " " " " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 StArT a ReLiGiOn ??? ThErE's An IdEa ?????? Dark Star <pansophia wrote: hello john, PLUTO-MERCURY PROMPTED BY THE INNERS OFTEN EXPRESSES WITH CAPITAL LETTERS...which isn't a bad thing as long as you're not planning to start a religion around it. Dark*Star --------------- JOHN B wrote: > REPEAT AFTER ME CLASS ... THIS IS " USA " " CIVICS 101 " ...... > > December. MOST RECENT EXAMPLE: The Year 2000 elections: Al Gore WON in NOVEMBER; LOST in DECEMBER. > > this year's election's outcome, ONLY DECEMBER MATTERS, since the U.S. electoral process is decidedly most unlike a game of horseshoes. > > IN OTHER WORDS (TO BELABOR THE POINT). IF AN ASTROLOGER CHOOSES TO FORECAST THE OUTCOME OF THIS YEAR'S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: Forget November 2, 2004 ...... IT'S ALL ABOUT ..... " " " " " DECEMBER 13, 2004 " " " " " " > > AND TO THERESE, BERT, ED AND OTHER GIFTED ASTROLOGERS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS GROUP AND DON " T FIT THE PROFILE OF THE FOLLOWING QUOTATION, MY APOLOGIES FOR THE RUDENESS OF THE QUOTATION NOW APPENDED: > > (Wm J. Tucker, FORECASTING WORLD EVENTS: A Textbook Of Mundane Astrology, Revealing The Scientific Principles Behind The Astrological Process Of Realistically And Accurately Forecasting Coming Political Events In The World, pub. 1960, page 15) > > > I'm JOHN B., born November 9, 1947, 01:44 am, Carle Place, New York: THE NEW YORK WHICH IS IN THE " " " " " USA " " " " " " > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Glad you have a sense of humor. Many of the heavy siderealists CAN " T. It would be undignified. Reticence breeds respect. One would think the Uranus they have to have to balance the Saturn would crack up once in a while though. Dark*Star JOHN B wrote: > StArT a ReLiGiOn ??? ThErE's An IdEa ?????? > > Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > hello john, > > PLUTO-MERCURY PROMPTED BY THE INNERS OFTEN > EXPRESSES WITH CAPITAL LETTERS...which isn't a bad > thing as long as you're not planning to start a religion around it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 My dear friend Dark*Star ...... Great Comment ...By the way, I really love Sidereal Astrology ...So much so that I even keep waiting for Ophiuchus to be admitted to the Zodiac Belt Club .... Then we'd have a real basis for getting at the Cosmic Science of it all....... Best wishes, JOHN B Dark Star <pansophia wrote: Glad you have a sense of humor. Many of the heavy siderealists CAN " T. It would be undignified. Reticence breeds respect. One would think the Uranus they have to have to balance the Saturn would crack up once in a while though. Dark*Star JOHN B wrote: > StArT a ReLiGiOn ??? ThErE's An IdEa ?????? > > Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > hello john, > > PLUTO-MERCURY PROMPTED BY THE INNERS OFTEN > EXPRESSES WITH CAPITAL LETTERS...which isn't a bad > thing as long as you're not planning to start a religion around it. > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 At 11:26 AM 10/18/04 +0100, John B. wrote: > >REPEAT AFTER ME CLASS ... THIS IS " USA " " CIVICS 101 " ...... Points well made, John. I've set up return charts from the election through the inauguration. The tone of these charts for individuals does seem to change after the election, but I admit to not having enough time to thoroughly study everything for this year. >AND TO THERESE, BERT, ED AND OTHER GIFTED ASTROLOGERS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS GROUP AND DON " T FIT THE PROFILE OF THE FOLLOWING QUOTATION, MY APOLOGIES FOR THE RUDENESS OF THE QUOTATION NOW APPENDED:... Well...uh...thanks for the exception. I do feel that astrology has to return to the realm of Mercury with a little help from Uranus intuition. Neptune's gotta go. >(Wm J. Tucker, FORECASTING WORLD EVENTS: A Textbook Of Mundane Astrology, Revealing The Scientific Principles Behind The Astrological Process Of Realistically And Accurately Forecasting Coming Political Events In The World, pub. 1960, page 15) > > " Any scientist who takes the trouble to examine the tenets of what has hitherto passed as Mundane Astrology, must surely come to the conclusion that astrologers are very simple-minded persons. Persons of uncritical mentality who habitually accept unchallenged the most outrageous of statements " This quotation refers to mundane prediction, which is for me a fairly new study. But the thought can apply to the majority of today's astrologers...who are mostly in the upper age range. Will Mercury gain its former importance when the astrological wand passes to a younger generation of more careful thinkers? I have a blank in my astrological education about Tucker. His books must not have been easily available. I'll have to see if I can find them. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 At 05:26 AM 10/19/04 +0100, John B wrote: > >My dear friend Dark*Star ...... Great Comment ...By the way, I really love Sidereal Astrology ...So much so that I even keep waiting for Ophiuchus to be admitted to the Zodiac Belt Club John, It's there right now within the span of the sign of Scorpio. Anyone with planets conjunct the stars of Ophiuchus will see the influence of the constellation. Any sign is only as good as its planetary dispositor, but the stars of Ophiuchus tell the real story of that section of Scorpio. It's a major misconception to still be calling the sidereal signs 'constellations.' The constellations are the constellations, NOT signs of the zodiac. It's sad that the sidereal signs are stable against the sky, but sidereal astrologers haven't made use of their great potential: the fixed stars and constellations in delineating the degrees and areas of the sky. Of what use then are signs? Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Thanks for the comment, Therese; a good point made ........... JOHN B Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote:At 05:26 AM 10/19/04 +0100, John B wrote: > >My dear friend Dark*Star ...... Great Comment ...By the way, I really love Sidereal Astrology ...So much so that I even keep waiting for Ophiuchus to be admitted to the Zodiac Belt Club John, It's there right now within the span of the sign of Scorpio. Anyone with planets conjunct the stars of Ophiuchus will see the influence of the constellation. Any sign is only as good as its planetary dispositor, but the stars of Ophiuchus tell the real story of that section of Scorpio. It's a major misconception to still be calling the sidereal signs 'constellations.' The constellations are the constellations, NOT signs of the zodiac. It's sad that the sidereal signs are stable against the sky, but sidereal astrologers haven't made use of their great potential: the fixed stars and constellations in delineating the degrees and areas of the sky. Of what use then are signs? Therese " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Therese... I get what you're saying here....' It's a major misconception to still be calling the sidereal signs 'constellations.' The constellations are the constellations, NOT signs of the zodiac. However.... I don't understand the following... Can you explain it differently? It's sad that the sidereal signs are stable against the sky, but sidereal astrologers haven't made use of their great potential: the fixed stars and constellations in delineating the degrees and areas of the sky. Of what use then are signs? Therese Thanks.. Juan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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