From Alfonso: Sidereal versus Tropical

[Guest guest]

Alfonso, it is impossible to read your post because it has no paragraph

breaks. I have inserted paragraph breaks and am re-sending your post to the

list. You need to explain exactly what house systems you are using for the

Tropical and Sidereal charts. Otherwise your comments have very little

meaning. For future posts, if you press the enter key twice and insert a

tab in the empty line between paragraphs (every 5 lines or so), list

members will be able to read your posts and might respond.

 

P.S. I think it is all right if someone wants to try to make a case for

Blair's chart in the Tropical zodiac. Yes, this is a sidereal board, but

having another viewpoint gives us a chance to demonstrate what works best.

 

Sincerely,

Therese

 

---------------Alfonso Osorio's Post Follows-------------------

 

If statistics were done on astrologers and the way they practice it, I am

sure the results would show that less than 5%, practice sidereal

astrology.I think I am being very generous in my estimate, because

practically all the books and articles,published in the west, that deal

with astrology, are based on the tropical zodiac.

 

I think a more approximate guess would be a 3%. In my opinion, those of us

who had dwelved into the sidereal zodiac, are characterized by having a

more analytical mind and intellect, because the moment we decided to look

for another approach, was because we already had found that the tropical

astrology offered us very little concordance between what the texts said

and how the events unfolded.

 

It would be very stupid to change the zodiac if it shows to work. Another

thing I had observed is that once the astrologer has changed from tropical

to sidereal zodiac, he has no reverse gear and never switches back to the

tropical. Why? Because probably he starts to find more connection between

the postulates and the events.

 

This is why I am mesmerized reading here postings were some few

members,instead of making up their minds, still try to congratiate

themselves with the tropicalists and dare to make statements such as " both

zodiacs work " ,or what is even worst, develop abstruse theories such as that

there are 2 persons inside a human being(?),or that there are 2

realities(?) so with one zodiac you can read the inner and with the other

the outer personality(?). Probably they refer to the twilight zone?

 

Concepts like these must make Jung and his colleages turn constantly in

their graves. Since we are members of a sidereal astrology list, I thought

we all had already accepted the sidereal zodiac as a more representative

model. It is not congruent or appropiate, to to a sidereal list

to defend the alleged virtues of the tropical zodiac. Why to do that if

there are plenty of tropical lists in the internet? It is the same as to

enter into a catholic church to adore and veneer Mahoma!

 

An example: Blair's Chart Let's analyze the chart of Tony Blair, succintly,

under the sidereal and tropical approaches, and you will find easily which

one reflects more appropiately his life. By the way, I will put under your

consideration the hindu domification, not the Fagan's way , so you can

decide which one fits more. According to Rodden, Blair was born on May 6

1953 at 6:10 am in Edinburgh, Scotland. It was daylight time.

 

TROPICAL CHART with placidus domification shows he has:

 

1)FIVE planets in his 12th house, which tropical theory delineates as the

house of self undoing and enemies, obstacles, psychomatic and emotional

difficulties,etc,etc. ( I would loved to have been born with those 5 in my

12th if that allows me to be prime minister)

 

2) The ruler of the 10th is placed in his 6th house, not a very good house.

 

3) The ruler of his ascendant is placed in his 12th( read point #1) 4)Nor

planet is exalted nor placed in a good house with the exception of the

moon. How the hell can you explain his rise and success with those

planetary placements?

 

My explanation: Because most of the astrologers had put apart reason and

logic, have no analytical mind and are characterized by the lack of

discernment and sound judgement. Unfortunately this is true.

 

SIDEREAL CHART with Hindu domification:

 

1) Mars and Jupiter in the first house. This is the house related with

character, personal appearance, the way you express yourself( in an

energetic and passionate way, with fiery planets such as jupiter and mars.)

Now the bells are ringing! You start finding more correspondence.

 

Jupiter was found by Gauquelin to be placed frequently in the ascendant of

the politicians and generally blesses the person with many fortunate events

in his life. Plus Jupiter rules his 11th house of friends, so neccessary in

politics. And last but not least, mars rules his 7th house of allies and

wars. He does not hesitate to embark in military actions when he consider

it is necessary to do it.

 

2)The ruler of his 10th house now is placed in his 5th house, very good

house by hindu standards.Ad what is better, it aspects the lord of the

ascendant.

 

3)The ruler of his ascendant is now venus , a good planet, placed in a good

house, the 11th , so convenient for charisma.And it is enhanced now,because

instead of being in aries, venus is now in piscis where it falls favorably

as it is exalted. Would you be surprised then to know that as a youngster

he was interested in theatrical productions? Of course not.

 

4)The sun, altough placed in his 12th house, is exalted in Aries, so it

indicates that he is a prototype of what astrologers call arian character.

Or do you still think, after his belicist position against Iraq, that he is

a calmed and reflexive taurean like Hitler, according to tropical zodiac?

 

5) Mars and jupiter being placed now in the same house and sign, obey to

the same lord: Venus. With the tropical chart they belong to different

signs. There are a lot of additional points I could mention, but since this

is a sidereal list, I don't think I need to convince anybody. In the case

I find that I really need to do it, than I am in the wrong list and better

should move on.

 

Sincerely yours,

Alfonso Osorio

[Guest guest]

Oh, Sorry, Alfonso. I see that you did say you were using Placidus for the

Tropical chart.

 

T.