One Last Word on Sidereal Signs

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, Terese Hamilton

<eastwest@s...> wrote:

> At 08:09 PM 12/19/02 -0000, Ed K wrote:

>

> >Er, well, we'll see about that. There are many problems with your

> >efforts here...The first is that you have presented limited data

on

> >13 people, out of the millions who have had a Moon/Mars square.

>

> Oh, you have university degrees in research and statistics?

 

Hi Terese,

 

No, I don't have degrees in research and statistics. I have never

heard of a " research degree. " My BA is in journalism and my minors

are accounting and religion. Journalism degrees of the modern kind

always involve a class on polling and statistics. Trust that I have

done my good share of research in my days.

 

As for the statistics, your sampling was faulty on a number of

counts, as I will list:

 

1) No control group (meaning that you offered no charts with other

Moon/Mars aspects to see if the same kins of people might show up);

 

2) Too few examples (what statistical group has only 13 candidates?

What college teaches that??) from a database that is selective;

 

3) The examples cited are accompanied by basically NO data on the

individual, but instead useless brief synopses of the lives that

offer us no real insights into the life;

 

4) No other astrological data to show how the Moon/Mars was

moderated by other planets (Jupiter in aspect for the subjects you

think had good lives), which would be of prime importance seeing as

you agreed with Alfonso's assessment that Planets trump signs in

delineation;

 

5) Overly simplistic criteria to begin with;

 

6) Vague and unconcrete definitions of what constitues what.

 

This list is not exhaustive, either. To see how a proper study is

done, see " Signs of Mental Illness " by Gibson.

 

 

 

 

 

I do too (in

> counseling psychology which includes research and statistics) from

the

> University of California at Berkeley and San Fransciso State

University.

> B.A. and M.A.

 

So, you had a class or two on statistics!?! You must have been

sleeping through class.

 

 

 

 

 

> There were only a handful of people for each aspect I asked for in

ADB.

 

Which disqualifies the study immediately.

 

 

 

 

> Mars in X sign in the 7th house square the Moon in 10th. The only

charts

> that I eliminated were those with a very wide Moon-Mars orb

 

Err, why?? The study is simply a " planet in signs " study, so orb is

not of concern (like the Vedic you practice).

 

 

 

 

 

.....Oh, and a

> UFO sigting.

 

LOL!! Glad you left that one out.

 

 

 

 

> >Then, you offer nothing as a control group.

>

> We are not yet at the stage of astro research where we use control

groups.

 

Incorrect. See the Gibson book.

 

 

 

 

> (Although Mars in its fall vs. Mars exalted in Capricorn control

each

> other.)

 

I don't understand this sentence at all.

 

 

 

> For reference, please go to astrodatabank.com and read Mark

> McDonough's " Every Astrologer a Researcher. " This tells us where we

> currently are re: astrological research. Mark is a professional

researcher

> and a computer programmer.

 

I wonder what he would say about your list in comparison to a

professinal statistician. I love Lois Rodden dearly, but invoking

the name of Mark McDonough to justify your study is a rather obvious

straw man.

 

 

 

 

> The proper way to argue this Mars-Moon square point, Ed, is to

present some

> biographies of your own with the same Mars in 7th square Moon in

10th in

> the appropriate signs in the Tropical zodiac.

 

 

'Twould be a waste of my valuable time, as I don't have 1200 charts

to dig through, nor the desire to prove something that doesn't make

the prima facie case for reasonableness or .

 

What is not understood here is that exaltations are based upon a

particular historical chart that has long lost its relevance.

 

 

 

> Chill out Hon, and try doing some good research of your own. You

might be

> surprised at what you'd find.

 

Such a poor assertion on your part that such " research " is not only

valid, but valuable for me! I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot

astrolabe.

 

Warmest regards,

Ed K