35 sala Lal Kitab Dasha system : Concluding Part

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Respected Gurudev;

The analysis is amazing as nobody can comment it on it better than me because it is my horoscope.

may be tewa's timing needs some darusti because i underwent 95% results as per the predictions in

in my 38th year and still undergoing or as to say the predicted results started before stipulated time and are still under process.

 

# results as predicted for dasha of mars

 

1.i had to go through period of grief, opposition from ladies( constant, unexpected and unexplained), problems from the state, except desh deshanatar bhraman of which i see every likelihood in the 39th year may be even conclude in change of place.

2. opposition from opponets was fierce but now somewhat subdued.

3. danger from fire and the weapon- escaped narrowly.

 

# results of antardasha of venus as predicted are strartling.

 

1.. immediate wealth - yes the process started last year and with your blessings may be fructified this year may be soon.

2. will beget a son - yes a son was born on 28-09-2008.

3. will get white clothes and a white horse- yes purchased white luxury car.

3. will get land and property - in process, in a way fructifying.

4. might lead to wound around the pelvic region- yes a gripping and untolerable pain statred in the lower portion of the spinal cord very true pelvic area for 3 months, got rid of it by doing an upaya for appeasing jupiter.

5. shatru bhay - yes continued.

 

can't write more for now! as it has food for thought much more than i have the capacity to digest.

heartfelt regards and respect

kulbir

 

 

 

On 1/29/09, < wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Carried over from message # 3344

Dear Members,

 

Now let me explain how this 35 year dasha chakra can be used.

 

Let us take an example:

 

Born on : February 15, 1971

Time : 8:50 am

Place : Chandigarh [ 76E53 ; 30N44 ]

 

Moon is at 24Vi33 [ in Kanya rasi at 24d33]

 

In order to get the Dasha yet to elapse we look at the excel sheet given in the folder for articles on LK Grammar.

 

For moon at 24d20 the balance of Mars dasha left is 8days, 6 months, 5 years and at 24d40 the balance shown is 24 days, 4 months, 5 years.

Therefore the balance of Mars dasha left at 24d33 will be : 9 days, 5 months, 5 years.

 

This means that at the time of birth the native had yet to go through 9 days, 5 months and 5 years of the Mars dasha.

 

While working out the dasha for the native one thing has to be remembered that for each year 5 days have to be deducted so that the English date coincides with the dasha date.

 

15 �� " 2 �� " 1971

9 - 5 - 5 Mars dasha

-28

- - - - - - - -

26 �� " 6 - 1976

0 - 0 - 2 Mercury dasha

-10

_ _ _ _ _

16 �� " 6 �� " 1978

0 - 0 - 6 Saturn dasha

-30

_ _ _ _ _

16 �� " 5 - 1984

0 - 0 - 6 Rahu dasha

-30

_ _ _ _ _

16 �� " 4 - 1990

0 - 0 - 3 Ketu dasha

- 15

_ _ _ _ _

1 - 4 - 1993

0 - 0 - 6 Jupiter dasha

-30

_ _ _ _ _

1 - 3 - 1999

0 - 0 - 2 Sun dasha

-10

_ _ _ _ _ _

21 - 2 - 2001

0 - 0 - 1 Moon dasha

-5

_ _ _ _ _ _

16 - 2 - 2002

0 - 0 - 3 Venus mahadasha

-15

_ _ _ _ _

1 - 2 - 2005

0 - 0 - 6 Mars dasha

-30

_ _ _ _ _ _

1 - 1 - 2011

 

It means that the native is currently going through the dasha of Mars which will last till January 1, 2011.

 

Now let us work out the antardasha within the dasha of Mars.

 

1 - 2 - 2005

0 - 0 - 2 antardasha of mars

-10

__ _ _ _ _

21 - 1 �� " 2007

0 - 0 - 2 antardasha of Saturn

-10

_ _ _ _ _

11 - 1 - 2009

0 - 0 - 2 antardasha of Venus

-10

_ _ _ _ _ _

1 - 1 - 2011

 

Therefore currently the native is going through the antardasha of Venus within the dasha of Mars which will end on January 1 , 2011.

 

In the Janma Kundali Mars is the 9th [bhagya] lord and also the lord of the 2nd [ dhan ] and is placed in the 9th house [ bhagya sthan] along with Jupiter where as the Venus is the lord of the 3rd house [ paraakram] and the 8th [ Mrityu ] and is placed in the 10th house.

 

Since the Lal Kitab 35 year dasha cycle should be used for the Lal Kitab varsh phal chart, let us see how are the native’s Mars and Venus placed during his 39th year Varsh phal chart starting February 15, 2009.

 

During the native’s 39th year varsh phal chart the Mars is placed in the 6th house in the rasi of the sun and the venus is placed in the 3rd house in its own rasi.

 

For the dasha of the Mars placed in the 6th house the old Sanskrit classic says :

 

Shashthag bhaum dashayam dadyati shokam striya virodham cha

Rajyachyutirvipakshadeshad deshanteram yati

 

If the Mars is placed in the 6th house in a bad rasi then the native might have to go through grief, opposition from the ladies, problem from the state, may have to go for long journeys [ desh-deshantar bhraman]. [ neutral result, explained later]

 

 

Since the Mars is placed in a friendly sign, the native may not have to experience what has been said in totality, but still he might face opposition from his opponents.

 

For Mars placed in the rasi of the sun the classic says :

 

Sinh ashrit kshamatanayasya pake nunam bhavennayakta bahunam

Kanta sutadheshcha viyog tapo bhadha bhavechshatrahutashjataa

 

Mars placed in the Sinh rasi will give him a leadership of many people but he might face opposition from the ladies, might come to grief because of the wife and the son leaving him. He can have danger from fire and the weapon. [ neutral result; explained later]

 

Now let us see what the classic says for the Antar dasha of Venus in the dasha of Mars. Venus is placed 10th [ Kendra ] to the Mars.

 

For this antardasha of venus within the dasha of Mars the old Sanskrit classic says :

 

Dayeshatkedralabhaste trikone dhan ge-api va

Tatkalah shriyamapnoti putralabham mahatsukham

Swaprabhoshcha mahatsoukhyam shwetvatrashwa labhkratam

Maharaj prasaden grambhoobhyadi labhkritam

 

If the venus is placed either in Kendra, or labh sthan, or at dhan sthan from the dasha lord then the native will get immediate wealth [shriyamapnoti] ; will beget a son; will get sukh [ comfort] ; will get comfort from the immediate superior; will get white clothes and a white horse; will get authority through the pleasure of the state ; will get land and property. [ neutral result; explained later]

 

The results of dasha in the classics are always given in the context of planets being as they are or what is known as ‘sam’ [neutral] position. Neutral result means that it is given without considering other influences, like aspects etc, on the planet. The reading gets modified after considering other influences on the planet. The astrologer will have to use his own vivek [ discretion ] to find a balance between the results given by the Sanskrit classic based on studying the influences on the planets.

 

Since the Venus is placed in the 3rd house [ parakram] in its swarasi [own rasi] and does not have any malefic aspect, it will definitely give him courage and determination; since the venus is also the lord of the 8th house he should be careful while lending money to his dear ones; should be careful about his expenditure otherwise might get into debt.

 

Where as Mars in the company of Jupiter and in the rasi of its friend Sun should give him positive results. Since the Mars is under the aspect of Saturn it might lead to some kind of a wound around the pelvic region. By and large the Dasha results will be positive except that he might face some opposition especially from the ladies. Mars being his Bhagyesh and Dhanesh placed in the 6th house should get him a very good income through courts [6th house] at the same time he may have to spend a lot because of his enemies. Although he will get victory over his enemies still he has to be careful because has ‘ shatru bhaya’ ; fear from enemies.

 

I have found that at times, not always though, the Varsh Phal of Lal Kitab analyzed along with the 35 year dasha chakra gives a better understanding of the horoscope then one would otherwise get through traditional tools.

 

Bhooshan Priya

 

 

 

 

 

, " " < wrote:

>> > Dear Members,> > > > 35 year dasha chakra> > > > [ 35 year Dasha chakra should be used for the Varsh Phal chart where as> the traditional Vinshottari dasha should be used for the Janma Kundali ]

> > > > > > Lal Kitab suggests a 35 year dasha cycle. The sequence of the planets> and the dasha years in the dasha cycle are:> > > > Jupiter 6 yrs,

> > sun 2 yrs,> > moon 1 yr,> > venus 3 yrs,> > mars 6 yrs,> > mercury 2 yrs,> > Saturn 6 years,> > rahu 6 yrs> > & ketu 3 yrs.

> > > > [ arun sanhita 1952 ed; page 10].> > > > In order to remember the sequence, just remember the sequence in which> the planets have been placed and described in the all the books of Lal

> Kitab.> > > > Within the dasha of a planet there are three antardashas of equal> duration. For example the antar dasha sequence within the Jupiter dasha> is ketu, Jupiter and sun. Each planet will have a period of two

> years.Therefore the first segment will be Jupiter / ketu,> > the second Jupiter / Jupiter ; and the third Jupiter / sun .> > > > [ see page 8. Arun Sanhita 1952 ed ]>

> > > Unfortunately, the book carries just a small paragraph on this 35 year> dasha chakra. It is too sketchy. It neither explains how to calculate> the dasha nor its phal [ results ].>

> At least I have not come across any evidence, from the written material> that we have, that Pt. Roopchand ji used this dasha himself.> > > > Since there are no instructions as to how the dasha cycle will be

> calculated, Lal Kitab scholars have come up with various alternatives> as to how it should be calculated.> > > > [ A ] One of the LK scholar in his recently published book has suggested

> that the dasha should be calculated on the basis of Janma samay ka grah> [ planet of the time of birth ].> > > > The fallacy of this argument is that all those born during dark nights

> or Krishna Paksha and on cloudy days will start their dasha with Saturn.> Hence more than half of the horoscopes will have Saturn as their> starting dasha. That does not sound reasonable nor probable.

> > > > [ B ] The other alternative suggested is that the dasha should be> calculated on the basis of the planet of the day [ janma din ka grah ].> > > > If that being so, then no body would ever start the dasha with either

> Rahu or ketu. Both these planets have not been assigned any day to them.> That again would not be probable.> > > > [ C ] An alternative procedure to draw up the 35 year dasha cycle

> system has been proposed known as the ‘grah ka daura’> solution.> > > > The premises of the solution are that:> > > > [a] which ever grah reaches the 1st house first will be taken as the

> operating planet from that year onwards for the 35 year dasha cycle.> > > > in case there are more than one grah reaching the throne [ 1st house> ] then the grah starting the dasha will be decided according to the

> sequence of planets laid down for the 35 year dasha cycle. For example> if both venus and the Saturn reach the first house then it is the venus> which will be taken as the operating planet because the venus has a

> precedence over Saturn in the sequence.> > > > [c] If a planet reaches the 1st house in the 3rd year then the initial> two years of the native will be supposed to be under the dasha of the

> planet preceding that reached planet in the sequence.> > > > Now let us take up an example horoscope and see what happens :> > > > Horoscope :> >

> > Fourth house : Saturn, rahu> > Fifth house : moon, mercury, venus> > Sixth house : sun , mars, jupiter> > Tenth house : ketu> > > > [ a common vedic astrology partial kal amrit / kal sarp horoscope]

> > > > Saturn and rahu will be the first planets to reach the 1st house in the> 4th year. Since the Saturn has precedence over rahu in the 35 year> dasha cycle, therefore it will be the Saturn which will be assumed to

> operate from the 4th year till the 9th year. Then Rahu will take over> for 6 years till the 15th year and then Ketu and so on.> > > > So far so good; no problem.> >

> > Now let us work out the operating planets from birth till the 4th year> before the Saturn takes over.> > The preceding planet to the Saturn in the 35 year dasha cycle is> mercury. Now let us see whether mercury will be operative or not. If you

> notice mercury is a dormant planet ‘soya hua grah’. Now> how can mercury be an operating planet if he himself is not awakened?> > Let us move to the next one preceding the mercury and that one is Mars.

> Unfortunately mars too is dormant. You will notice that we will have to> move down all the way to Ketu because all the planets in between are> dormant.> > Therefore ketu will be the operating planet for the 1st, 2nd and the 3rd

> year of the native.> > > > Thus the 35 year cycle of the native based on ‘grah ka> daura’ solution will look like this :> > > > Ketu : 1 to 3>

> Saturn : 4 to 9> > Rahu : 10 to 15> > Ketu : 16 to 18> > Jupiter : 19 to 24> > > > And so on….> > > > Did you notice the anomaly?

> > > > When we say that it is a 35 year cycle, it implies that a planet will> repeat itself only after the cycle of 35 years is complete. In the above> cycle for the native Ketu repeats itself much before the cycle is

> completed. Secondly the sequence had to be altered, instead of mercury> preceding the Saturn, it is the ketu operating before Saturn.> > > > Therefore the grah ka daura solution can be used only if you are

> prepared to accept that :> > > > [ a ] a planet can become operative in the 35year dasha cycle even> though it is dormant or soya hua for all other purposes in the horoscope> and has yet to awaken.

> > > > [ b ] That the sanctity of the term cycle [ chakra ] has no meaning or> is not relevant as far as the 35 year dasha is concerned and a planet> can become operative even if the cycle is not complete. Remember the Lal

> Kitab talks about quite a few cycles in various other contexts.> > > > Hence all the three suggested methods are ruled out as not being logical> or probable.> > >

> Then what could be the other logical solution?> > > > The concept of a short duration dasha system is not new. The traditional> vedic astrology already uses a 36 year dasha system known as Yogini

> dasha system. It is very popular in Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh,> and the Garhwal hills of Uttaranchal area.> > Most of the horoscopes cast by the Pundits from these areas will> invariably have this Yogini dasha elaborated and plotted in the

> horoscope. Since the Lal Kitab also> > originates from the same geographical region , it is but natural that> the Lal Kitab paddhati also has a similar short duration dasha system.> >

> > Therefore the 35 year dasha chakra is not an innovative suggestion> coming out of the blue. It is a part of a well established astrology> tradition of short duration dasha> > systems. The 35 year dasha chakra of the Lal Kitab is, therefore,

> addressed to the pundits and the readers who were already familiar with> another equally popular short> > duration dasha system namely the Yogini dasha.> > > > That being the case, pt. Roopchand ji took it for granted that the

> pundits and other readers of the Lal Kitab would already be familiar> with the method of calculation and also the dasha phal [ result of the> dasha]. Since all astrologers calculated the dashas manually they all

> knew how to go about it because in the earlier times every student of> astrology had to do a rigorous course on the Jyotish ganit [ arithmetic> of astrology ]. He, therefore,> > did not elaborate the procedure to calculate the dasha. He did not talk

> about the dasha phal either. He did not have to elaborate on the dasha> results because a huge amount of literature on the dasha phal is already> available in old Sanskrit classics.> >

> > I have been using the 35year dasha chakra to study the Varsh Phal chart.> I have intentionally chosen to use this 35 year dasha chakra for the> Varsh Phal chart> > only; because both the varsh phal chart and the 35 year dasha chakra

> system are exclusively Lal Kitab concepts and hence compatible with each> other. While analyzing> > the Janma Kundali I use the traditional Vedic astrology Vinshottari> dasha system because these two are compatible; both of the traditional

> vedic origin.> > > > Therefore in order to calculate the 35 year dasha chakra , I use the> same method which is used for calculating the Yogini or the Vinsottari> dasha systems. I calculate the 35 year dasha chakra based on the

> movement of the moon, or what is known in the traditional Vedic> astrology as nakshtreeya [ of nakshatra ]. Those who are familiar with> the Jyotish ganit [ arithmetic of astrology ] and know how to manually

> calculate the Yogini dasha or> > the Vinshottari dasha , can work out the 35 year dasha chakra of the Lal> Kitab within no time.> > > > Those familiar with NC Lahiri’s ephemeris would know how to look

> up the starting point of the Vinshottari dasha from the table. Similarly> a table can be made for the 35 year dasha chakra of the Lal Kitab. It> took me a couple of hours to prepare a table for the 35 year dasha

> chakra of the Lal Kitab. Once you have the table it takes just a couple> of seconds to get the starting point of the dasha.> > > > The starting point of the Lal Kitab 35 year dasha cycle can be worked

> out very easily with the help of the excel sheet in the folder> containing articles on LK grammar.> > > > I am reproducing below a part of the table of the Lal Kitab 35 year> dasha chakra from the excel sheet given in the folder for articles on

> LK grammar:> > > > > > The balance of the Jupiter dasha will be according to the following> table if the Moon is in Aries, Leo and Sagittarius at the following> degrees.

> > > > > > > > Degrees of Balance of Jupiter> > The moon Dasha left [bhogyansh]> > > > Deg �� " min day/ month/year

> > 0 �� " 0 0 �� " 0 �� " 6> > 0 �� " 20 6 �� " 10 - 5> > 0 �� " 40 12 �� " 8 �� " 5> > 1 �� " 0 18 �� " 6 �� " 5

> > 1 �� " 20 24 �� " 4 �� " 5> > 1 �� " 40 0 �� " 3 �� " 5> > 2 �� " 0 6 �� " 1 �� " 5> > 2 �� " 20 12 �� " 11 �� " 4

> > 2 �� " 40 18 �� " 9 �� " 4> > 3 �� " 0 24 �� " 7 �� " 4> > 3 �� " 20 0 �� " 6 �� " 4> > 3 �� " 40 6 �� " 4 �� " 4

> > 4 �� " 0 12 �� " 2 �� " 4> > 4 �� " 20 18 �� " 0 �� " 4> > 4 �� " 40 24 �� " 10 �� " 3> > 5 �� " 0 0 �� " 9 �� " 3

> > 5 �� " 20 6 �� " 7 �� " 3> > 5 �� " 40 12 �� " 5 �� " 3> > 6 �� " 0 18 �� " 3 �� " 3> > 6 �� " 20 24 �� " 1 �� " 3

> > 6 �� " 40 0 �� " 0 �� " 3> > 7 �� " 0 6 �� " 10 �� " 2> > 7 �� " 20 12 �� " 8 �� " 2> > 7 �� " 40 18 �� " 6 �� " 2

> > 8 �� " 0 24 �� " 4 �� " 2> > 8 �� " 20 0 �� " 3 �� " 2> > 8 �� " 40 6 �� " 1 �� " 2> > 9 �� " 0 12 �� " 11 �� " 1

> > 9 �� " 20 18 �� " 9 �� " 1> > 9 �� " 40 24 �� " 7 �� " 1> > 10- 0 0 �� " 6 �� " 1> > 10 �� " 20 6 �� " 4 �� " 1

> > 10 �� " 40 12 �� " 2 �� " 1> > 11 �� " 0 18 �� " 0 �� " 1> > 11 �� " 20 24 �� " 10 �� " 0> > 11 �� " 40 0 �� " 9 �� " 0

> > 12 �� " 0 6 �� " 7 �� " 0> > 12 �� " 20 12 �� " 5 �� " 0> > 12 �� " 40 18 �� " 3 �� " 0> > 13 �� " 0 24 �� " 1 �� " 0

> > 13 �� " 20 0 �� " 0 - 0> > > > > > Since I go by the traditional method I have used the lunar year of 360> days. In olden time the dasha were calculated and mentioned in the

> horoscope in terms of Hindi month and Tithi and Samvat year. If you have> a look at sixty or seventy year old horoscopes, you will notice that> they do not even mention the English dates; the date of birth is

> mentioned according to Hindu calendar and the time of birth in ghati and> pal.> > > > In order to bring the Lunar year on par with the solar year a correction> of 5 days per year has to be carried out while calculating the dasha to

> bring it on par with the English dates. Once this correction is carried> out the dasha becomes compatible with the English dates.> > > > In the table , if you notice , the balance of Jupiter’s dasha

> period at 0d-0m is 6 years and at 13d20’ it is zero.> 13d20’ is the value of a nakshatra.> > > > > > For example if the moon is at 8 degrees and 40’ in Leo then the

> balance of the Jupiter dasha yet to follow will be 6 days, 1 month and 2> years [ bhogyansh �� " hissa jo bhogana baqi hai] . In other words> at the time of birth the native has already exhausted 24 days, 10

> months and 3 years in his mother’s womb [ bhuktansh �� " > hissa jo bhoga ja chuka hai ]> > > > Of this bhogyansh 6 days and 1 month will be the Jupiter antardasha > within the Jupiter dasha followed by the whole period of 2 years of the

> Sun’s antardasha within the Jupiter dasha.> > > > Bhooshan Priya> > > > Next : Dasha explained through an example as to how it is worked out and> the result read

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