Misc. Comments -- Quakes, etc.

[Guest guest]

Therese, Juan, & List members,

 

 

[TH] Yes, Matthew, definitely. The only problem here is that although

I was

trained in statistics many years ago and participated in statistical

research, I now have trouble comprehending the technicalities, which I

expect is the story for most astrologers. Yes, it all sounds very

good,

but...it is only one type of research and it involves progressing

charts.

----------------

[MQ]The Jupiter data does not involve progressing any charts. It is

based on Jupiter's meridian distance, it's angular distance from the

CapLunar Ingress MC for each instance of rainfall.

--------------

 

[TH]This isn't saying that the research isn't valid or meaningful.

I'm only

saying that we still don't have the raw data, exact techniques, and

figures

to check it all out. We must accept the research on faith and trust.

 

One important point: accepting the research as valid, the pattern

would be

much the same for the Krishnamurti ayanamsa because of the

approximately

one degree difference between F-B and K. Only the Moon would show

significant differences between the two ayanamsas.

-----------

[MQ]On a Lunar Ingress, there will be about a two hour difference in

timing between the F-B ayanamsa and the K. Angles would be totally

different. Thus this batch of rainfall data would favor the F-B

ayanamsa.

-------------

 

 

[TH]I'd like to propose a more simple research experiment. Would you

have

time?? I'd like to take the Fagan-Bradley sun-into-sign ingress

charts and

compare them to the Krishnamurti sign-ingress charts for some major

earthquakes. I'd do the Krishnamurti calculations and you'd do the

Fagan-Bradley calculations. We'd both set up the ingress charts and

then

compare them to the chart of the earthquake event for significant

angular

contacts relating to the earthquake tension aspects.

 

I'd suggest we take the sun-into-sign ingress immediately preceding

the

event rather than the cardinal ingresses. This for a start, because

some

preliminary work I've done seems to point to their significance, and

the

time period between ingress charts and event would be less than 30

days.

Transits would fill in for progressions. Progressions open up a whole

new

can of worms and is a secondary technique compared to transits.

------------

[MQ]I, myself, would not bother with non-cardinal ingresses, Therese.

Been there, done that, a LONG time ago. Several years ago I also

worked on a ton of earthquake material -- boxes of hard copy, no

current computer files, sadly. (the difference between a 286 with a

20 meg hard drive and a 586 with a 20 gig.) I think I ran lunations,

solar and lunar ingresses, quotidian progressions and was not

satisfied with any result, i.e., nothing consistent, nothing that was

a definite pattern. Other earthquakes and natural disasters since

then have been puzzlers, at least from a predictive standpoint --

sometimes it will be REALLY clear, others more subtle. I have even

seen cases where a quotidian angle hit was only clear if you looked

at the midpoint in TIME, i.e., Mars rising time, Saturn culminating

time, taking the midpoint between them in TIME and having it tight to

the Local Sidereal Time (LST) of the quotidian.

 

My own experience with the F-B CapSolars over the last decade plus

has shown me that the charts are not only longitudinal, but, as the

sidereal pioneers indicated, they're also active in mundo, with

bodily positions and bodily angular crossings. Even with some of the

better astrological software around now, e.g., Solar Fire and CCRS,

nothing I know of will calculate a dynamic run of bodily quotidian

angular hits, only longitudinal. Bummer! Also will not calculate in

apparent quotidian rates for comparison study, and the old hand-

calculated method is a pain in the butt, especially when your trusty

calculators have dead batteries. I would like more facility to do

comparisons of quotidian progression rates. For several years I've

been happy with the Mean Q1 (Bija) rate both in ingresses and natal

work. I do like the logic of one complete rotation of the earth on

its axis = one complete revolution of earth around Sun, or 1 sidereal

day = 1 sidereal year. Lunar progressions are definitely on the

money.

--------------

 

[JO] Let me ask you this...

Do you consider a progressed angle(CapSolar)

conjuncting transiting Saturn to mean an earthquake

will occur?

I'm sure you believe other factors must exist for

such an occurrence. What do you think those are and

would they appear to be consistent in repeated

occurrances?

----------

[MQ]As I mentioned above, I never found anything consistent. That the

two I posted had Saturn hits is interesting, but not carved in stone.

------------

 

[JO]I'm still troubled with an earthquake which occurred a

couple of years ago in Bhuj, India where thousands

died. An early warning of impending earthquakes could

save lives and families. The CapSolar holds much

information

----------

[MQ]I'm assuming, as Therese did, that you mean what is often listed

as the Gujarat Quake January 26, 2001 @ 3:16 AM UT, epicenter

23.39N 70.23E (as a heads up, USGS coordinates are given in

degree.decimal notation, not degree.minute). F-B CapSolar set up

January 14, 2001 @ 20:32:56 UT. (I use calculations from CCRS for

Solar Ingresses, BTW) Epicenter CapSolar MC 15 Can 38 ASC 14 Lib

04 Ingress Mars 18 Lib 13, Mercury 12 Cap 23, Neptune 11 Cap 05,

Uranus 24 Cap 37, Moon 9 Vir 01. So we have Mars, Mercury, Neptune

in the foreground; Uranus not far out of it, with the ingress Moon in

partile sesqui-square. Ingress UR/NE = 17 Cap 51, so MA = UR/NE,

certainly an earthquake indicator. Using the Mean Q1 progression

rate, Quotidian MC at time of quake at epicenter 26 Can 50, ASC 23

Lib 53 square ingress Uranus, with transit Mars 24 Lib 34. Quotidian

LST = 9:35:49; tr Mars rise = 9:38:10; tr Uranus IC = 9:30 29 -- here

we go with another midpoint in time = 9:34:20. Tr Mars semi-squares

ingress Moon, even more tightly to Q1 Moon 9 Vir 27. Transit Sun-

Neptune conjunction one minute applying. One item that has been

brought to my attention with earthquakes is the old epithet of

Poseidon Earthshaker. I look at Neptune as part of the " terror and

hysteria " such an event can bring.

--------------

 

The following is from Solar Fire v 5 on Geographic vs Geocentric

latitude. Hope it helps.

 

" It is possible to calculate charts based either on geographic (also

known as geodetic) latitude or geocentric latitude.

Atlases such as the ACS International Atlas, the ACS American Atlas

and Solar Fire's own place databases, contain geographic latitudes.

Geographic latitudes are based on the measurement of the angle of the

local horizon (also known as the geodetic horizon) onto the celestial

sphere. It is assumed that all latitudes entered into Solar Fire are

geographic latitudes, and all displayed latitudes, such as in chart

details text, are geographic latitudes.

 

" However, because the earth is not perfectly spherical it is also

possible to define a latitude based on where the horizon would be if

the earth was a perfect sphere, which also corresponds to the angle

of a line from that location to the centre of the earth. This is

known as a geocentric latitude. The geocentric latitude is never more

than 12 minutes of a degree different from the geographic latitude.

 

 

" Solar Fire v5 "

------------

CapSolar 2004 January 15, 2004 15:01:43 UT calculation from CCRS.

Note that this ingress has foreground Jupiter-Pluto square. And as a

tidbit on CapSolars for DC -- Pluto has been on one end or the other

of the meridian or in close square to it on ingresses since 1947!

Election years Pluto is at the MC. Any comments?

 

Sidereally yours,

Matthew