Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 At 02:26 PM 7/12/04 -0500, Cynthia wrote: > I've spent way too much time on these charts lately. They look >differently from different angles. That is SO true. Too many charts. I just performed an experiment. If you look ONLY at the natal charts and the locale solar returns, and stay strictly with the western sidereal rules re: angularity, guess who comes out on top? Cheney. No doubt about it. I'm wondering if the smaller cyclic charts only confuse matters. >Pluto is tightly conjoined Kerry's Sun >and ASC on election day. 1 degree departing from his Sun. When Al Gore was eliminated by the Supreme Court, he had Pluto/Sun on his Ennead ascendant. >He has Mars >ruling the ASC and Mars Solar Arc progression on his natal Mars which was >retro at birth but has progress direct. Jupiter and Venus on Kerry's MC >plus that Pluto make a pretty compelling win on Nov 2nd. Transits, however, especially Jupiter and Venus. Will they be able to outshine the locale solar returns? I don't like it one bit that the Bush and Cheney cyclic charts suddenly brighten up later in November. >Have any of you tracked Mars transits and Kerry from the past? He's >either really impowered or really p.o'd It's difficult to track Mars transits, since they repeat every two years. What matters is where the planets are on the day of the solar return. > Notice that inauguration day had Mars and Pluto on Kerry's Sun. Could be >personal power or something darker. Or it could symbolize, as with Gore, a win that was not allowed to happen. >Cheney's chart obviously looks bad: Uranus on the 7th (assuming time is >accurate) Mars return, SAturn square Sun. Ordinarily we could expect Uranus to upset the status quo and bring down the house, but we're not living in ordinary times. Uranus could mean anything this year. >W's protective Jupiter Moon conjunction is tightly transited by Jupiter at >inaug. and his SAturn return is to the minute on election day. PErhaps he >loses the election and so saves his life??? W has Jupiter opposing the Moon at the M.C. in his solar return, though the orb is wider than it should be. Uranus is with the Moon. Yes, W's roots could stay put with that transit. I give Edwards/Kerry the popular edge, but now I'm thinking that it may not do them much good. Not with Cheney's chart. With the nodes and Uranus so prominent this year, there's a whole dark scenario we're probably not going to see. Are we still living in America? It doesn't seem so... Sigh....where are the siderealist notes on the progressed solar returns?? Surely someone has worked these out? Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Hi, Gore was already eliminated by his SSR. Saturn is on the 7th with Jupiter and Mars. This is his electorate strength. However, Neptune vitiates that by throwing a partile square to that Mars. Just that alone is the whole year. We didn't know it then but Saturn came to represent his black support in Florida that was turned away, falsified by the likes of Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush. The Stationary Mercury at 5 Libra on election day would come to fall in his solar 12th squaring solar Node in the 9th. and killed politics. The little charts along the way just show how the conclusion of the master solar revolution is realized, thus the Pluto-Sun you mention Dark*Star ---------------------- Therese Hamilton wrote: > I'm wondering if the smaller cyclic > charts only confuse matters. > > When Al Gore was eliminated by the Supreme Court, he had Pluto/Sun on his > Ennead ascendant. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 >Therese, > >Sigh....where are the siderealist notes on the progressed solar returns?? >Surely someone has worked these out?< I am not sure how the siderealists do progressed solar returns but a direction of 1*/day on the SR chart (Bush) to the 2 Nov.2004 looks interesting. Regards Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 At 05:16 PM 7/12/04 -0700, Dark*Star wrote: > >Hi, > >Gore was already eliminated by his SSR. Saturn is on the 7th with Jupiter and >Mars. This is his electorate strength. However, Neptune vitiates that by >throwing a partile square to that Mars. Just that alone is the whole year... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dark*Star, How do you work with locale and birth place returns? We can't use Gore because he was born in D.C. How about going back (now that we have Cheney's BD) and use him as an example since be was born in Nebraska. This year Cheney's DC chart has 11 Libra rising. That puts his natal Sun on the IC and natal Juipiter with Saturn on the Desc. Natal Pluto just at the zenith. Trasiting Mars under the 7th cusp, but it doesn't closely aspect any natal planets. SR Jup opp Venus is on his natal Moon. Cheney's Nebraska solar ascendant is 25 Virgo--a few minutes from Jupiter's position on inauguration day and conj W's natal Moon-Jupiter. Natal Part of Fortune 4 minutes off the solar Nebraska M.C. Natal Venus exactly on the IC conjunct SR Mercury. Double Uranus on the angles. I'm too tired to go futher into these charts. Been working all day except for computer breaks. Therese Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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