Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 On March 15 I asked Ken Bowser to give specific quotes from scholars to support Cyril Fagan's contention that Aldebaran marked the center of the sidereal sign of Taurus in the ancient Egyptian zodiac. So far, no response from Ken or anyone else, so here's another quote from Fagan's ASTROLOGICAL ORIGINS: The Bak or " Working Stars " (p. 77) " It would appear that the Egyptians regarded the smdt or middle point of an asterism, constellation, or mundane house as its strongest point. " I don't think there is any debate that the mansions of the Moon were used prior to the signs of the zodiac. A lunar mansion represented a star or asterism which the Moon passed through on its monthly course. There is no evidence that these mansions had boundaries; rather they were visible stars in the sky. These ancient mansion systems all began with Alcyone in the Pleiades (according to Vivian Robson) rather than with Aldebaran (Hyades). Both, however, are in the constellation and sidereal sign of Taurus. Modern western astrologers made these into 28 equal mansions with boundaries that are a bit difficult to calculate since 28 does not divide equally into 360 degrees. Apparently a few western siderealists explored these 28 mansions since I have a photocopied manuscript on these mansions by John Mazurek, who was once the Director of the San Francisco School of Sidereal astrology. In India from ancient times they went one better and made the mansions into 27 equal segments of 13 deg 20 min each. There is no record of how or why this was done. Now, it happens that these 27 equal mansions bring out some very important locations for primary stars such as Aldebaran, Antares, and Spica. Using the traditional Spica zodiac (adjusted for Krishnamurti), stars zero in on these centers and boundaries of the signs and 27 mansions: Mathematical Center of Rohini (#4): 16Ta40; ALDEBARAN: 16Ta02 Center of Chitra (and also Virgo-Libra junction) (#14): 0 Libra; SPICA: 29 59 Virgo (Lahiri) or Libra 05 (Krishnamurti) ***the only place in the zodiac where a major ecliptic star is an important mansion AND sign marker*** Center of Magha (#10) 6Le40; REGULUS: 6Le04 Boundary of mansions #17 and #18 in Scorpio: 16Sc40; ANTARES: 16Sc0 In addition: Boundary of #1 and #2: 13Ar20; HAMAL (Alpha Aries): 13Ar54 Boundary of #4 and #5: 23Ta20; RIGEL (Beta Orion): 23Ta04 Center of #7: 26Ge40; CASTOR (Alpha Gem): 26Ge09 Center of #8: 10Cn0; AL TARF (Beta Cn): 10Cn30 There are quite a few other boundary and center mansion hits, along with sign boundaries, some very near the ecliptic (dimmer but named stars) and some with more latitude (bright stars such as Markab, alpha Pegasus). Maybe these ‘hits' are only coincidence, or perhaps they suggest that we need to look at a zodiac that the cosmos may have set long ago. I know of no way to test a sidereal zodiac except by looking at the harmonic charts such as the navamsa or dwad. First we have to determine if a planet in a particular sign sub-division has a particular meaning (within a specified group such as homosexuals or a profession) and then we have to look at the patterns for this planet in the different sidereal zodiacs. There is about a nine degree navamsa difference in the Fagan-Bradley and Lahiri or Krishnamurti zodiacs. I've always been bothered by the claim that Aldebaran and Antares marked the centers of sidesreal Taurus/Scorpio, but I've never seen any support for this. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Therese, Hard to argue with these observations - Fascinating! Thanks for doing the work, and showing that different perspectives yield different realities, even when using the same template. Today's a good time to mention that Saddama invaded Kuwait just after a lunar occultation of Antares, and that the cornerstone of the UN building in New York was laid under another lunar occultation of Antares; most nuclear charts of prominence have energy on the axis of Antares/Aldebaran. My favorite example is the French detonation of the nuclear bomb named " Antares " that took place when Aldebaran was culminating. Now, what might #4, #17 and #18 have to do with all that? Love, Ed K , Therese Hamilton <eastwest@s...> wrote: > On March 15 I asked Ken Bowser to give specific quotes from scholars to > support Cyril Fagan's contention that Aldebaran marked the center of the > sidereal sign of Taurus in the ancient Egyptian zodiac. So far, no response > from Ken or anyone else, so here's another quote from Fagan's ASTROLOGICAL > ORIGINS: > > The Bak or " Working Stars " (p. 77) > > " It would appear that the Egyptians regarded the smdt or middle point of an > asterism, constellation, or mundane house as its strongest point. " > > I don't think there is any debate that the mansions of the Moon were used > prior to the signs of the zodiac. A lunar mansion represented a star or > asterism which the Moon passed through on its monthly course. There is no > evidence that these mansions had boundaries; rather they were visible stars > in the sky. These ancient mansion systems all began with Alcyone in the > Pleiades (according to Vivian Robson) rather than with Aldebaran (Hyades). > Both, however, are in the constellation and sidereal sign of Taurus. > > Modern western astrologers made these into 28 equal mansions with > boundaries that are a bit difficult to calculate since 28 does not divide > equally into 360 degrees. Apparently a few western siderealists explored > these 28 mansions since I have a photocopied manuscript on these mansions > by John Mazurek, who was once the Director of the San Francisco School of > Sidereal astrology. In India from ancient times they went one better and > made the mansions into 27 equal segments of 13 deg 20 min each. There is no > record of how or why this was done. > > Now, it happens that these 27 equal mansions bring out some very important > locations for primary stars such as Aldebaran, Antares, and Spica. Using > the traditional Spica zodiac (adjusted for Krishnamurti), stars zero in on > these centers and boundaries of the signs and 27 mansions: > > Mathematical Center of Rohini (#4): 16Ta40; ALDEBARAN: 16Ta02 > > Center of Chitra (and also Virgo-Libra junction) (#14): 0 Libra; SPICA: 29 > 59 Virgo (Lahiri) or Libra 05 (Krishnamurti) ***the only place in the > zodiac where a major ecliptic star is an important mansion AND sign marker*** > > Center of Magha (#10) 6Le40; REGULUS: 6Le04 > > Boundary of mansions #17 and #18 in Scorpio: 16Sc40; ANTARES: 16Sc0 > > In addition: > > Boundary of #1 and #2: 13Ar20; HAMAL (Alpha Aries): 13Ar54 > > Boundary of #4 and #5: 23Ta20; RIGEL (Beta Orion): 23Ta04 > > Center of #7: 26Ge40; CASTOR (Alpha Gem): 26Ge09 > > Center of #8: 10Cn0; AL TARF (Beta Cn): 10Cn30 > > There are quite a few other boundary and center mansion hits, along with > sign boundaries, some very near the ecliptic (dimmer but named stars) and > some with more latitude (bright stars such as Markab, alpha Pegasus). > > Maybe these `hits' are only coincidence, or perhaps they suggest that we > need to look at a zodiac that the cosmos may have set long ago. I know of > no way to test a sidereal zodiac except by looking at the harmonic charts > such as the navamsa or dwad. First we have to determine if a planet in a > particular sign sub-division has a particular meaning (within a specified > group such as homosexuals or a profession) and then we have to look at the > patterns for this planet in the different sidereal zodiacs. There is about > a nine degree navamsa difference in the Fagan-Bradley and Lahiri or > Krishnamurti zodiacs. > > I've always been bothered by the claim that Aldebaran and Antares marked > the centers of sidesreal Taurus/Scorpio, but I've never seen any support > for this. > > Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 And when the Columbia exploded, Mars was only 7 minutes from the zodiacal conjunction to Antares, both conjunct the MC, Ketu (Moon's south node) conjunct the MC to the west, Pluto conjunct Mars. What of the coming 48 hours? Therese At 10:38 PM 3/17/03 -0000, Ed wrote: >Today's a good time to mention that Saddama invaded Kuwait just after >a lunar occultation of Antares, and that the cornerstone of the UN >building in New York was laid under another lunar occultation of >Antares; most nuclear charts of prominence have energy on the axis of >Antares/Aldebaran. My favorite example is the French detonation of >the nuclear bomb named " Antares " that took place when Aldebaran was >culminating. Now, what might #4, #17 and #18 have to do with all >that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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