Fwd: Ayanamsha - which one is correct Raman,KP,Lahiri..?

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Sreenadh <sreelid wrote: vedic astrology

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Sun, 02 Apr 2006 04:54:49 -0000

[vedic astrology] Re: Ayanamsha - which one is correct

Raman,KP,Lahiri..?

 

Dear Mukesh,

You asked:

> Can someone give a Reason as to why these Ayanamshas exist

> together and why

> Astrologers are not working to AGREE on 1 UNIVERSAL Ayanamsha..??

To answer your qn in 1 statement:

Because nobody could clarify how Signs and stellar mansions got

divided in the first place, and also because nobody could explain how

the beginning of Aries sign was calculated by the Rishis.

But this is an old story and now the situation has changed since,

Chandra Hari was able to provide the fundamental rational behind the

division of Signs and stellar mansions based on Surya Sidhanta, and

is able to provide the mathematical proof for the same, and also able

to find and fix the Ayanamsa calculation system and the Ayanamsa as

per Surya Sidhanta. (But remember it takes time for the truth to get

accepted, and the same is the case with True Ayanamsa)

What is Ayanamsa?

Ayanamsa is the distance between the Vernal Equinox and the

Beginning point of Aries.

What is 'Beginning point of Aris'?

It is the point from where Sign and Stellar divisions start. It is

also known as 'Meshadi' and 'Aswinyadi'. This point is 180 degrees

away from the fiducial star 'Moola', which was used as the reference

point for stellar divisions and Signs.

What is Vernal Equinox?

1) Looking from earth, it is the pt where sun crosses equator.

2) It is the day when day and night would be equal.

3) Or speaking scientifically, it pt at which earth while

rotating around sun, moves from one hemisphere to other.

4) Or it is the day when Uttarayana starts!!

This last statement may cause another contraversy,

so better hold it back, and don't tell to anybody.

5) .....

There could be more definitions, (some of them far better than

the ones given above) but all of them represents the same point, and

don't conflict each other. So there is no doubt about, how to

fix 'Vernal Equinox' what so ever between astrologers and scientists.

But the answer to the other question, " How the beginning point of

Aries was calculated in Ancient times? " is not answered (that also

with a sound mathematical proof based on Surya Sidhanta) by anybody

except Chandra Hari.

Nobody is agreeing on a UNIVERSAL AYANAMSA because those who

proposed different ayanamsas based on their imperfect bits of

knowledge (of ancient astronomy and the sidhantic base of astrology),

where eager to uphold the erroneous views proposed by them, and so as

their students. And today they are the majority, and true

mathematical foundation and cocepts behind the ancient sidhantic

astronomy where revealed recently only, and it takes time for

everybody to become aware of it, and to get truths accepted.

You also asked:

> Is there any Classical explanation to Ayanamsha and it's usage..??

Yes. In Brahmasidhata we can see the sloka:

" Ayanamsa pradathavya legne kranthou charageme... "

Which says Ayanamsa calculation is necessary and also that Sayana

sphuta + Ayanamsa will give nirayana sputa. The same quote one can

find in Hora Ratnam and Muhoortha chintamani, as quoted form Brahma

sidhanta. So for sure our ancient texts, supports and gives brief

explanations about the Ayanamsa and its use.

If you are a beginner just try to remember the following points only:

1) Ayanamsa is the distance between the Vernal Equinox and the

Beginning point of Aries.

2) I would suggest you to use 'True Ayanamsa'

(proposed by Chandra Hari') since it is the only Ayanamsa

which bases itself on classics (of astrology) and gives us

a solid explanation of its theoretical foundation.

If you are not a beginner, then:

Mess around with everything I said, and get totally frustrated with

the system you follow, and start a new argument with me!!! Either

because your ego won't let you believe that what you follow now is

wrong!!! ) or because you want to get more explanations on the same

with out trying to read/learn the huge amount of research data

provided by chandra hari and others.

In both the situations I would like to slip away from the arguments,

since Ayanamsa issue was a subject of issue in some previous months

in this forum, anybody who is ready to take some effort could find a

lot of study material in the archives of this forum itself.

Let everybody be happy with their own ayanamsa / or the ayanamsa

they follow. If someone is able to predict correctly, don't ask which

ayanamsa you follow, but instead try to understand what is the system

he used and become his student and try to learn it from him.

Ultimatly astrology is a system for prediction. So:

1) Anybody who predicts well is GOOD.

2) If he has a good theoretical foundation and understanding BETTER

3) If he can nicely explain it to others as well then BEST

That is all to it. It is just fun (the whole astrological

system). Fun for an inquisitive mind, food for thought, and source of

vital knowledge.

Enjoy!!!!!

Love,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology , " Mukesh verma "

<astromukesh wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Can anyone give explanation as to WHY we have more than 1 Ayanamsha

and WHY

> nobody is consenting on ONE UNIVERSAL Ayanamsha..?

>

> I am not sure which Ayanamsha to follow when making a chart, is it

KP,

> Lahiri, Raman Ayanamsha or should we use the normal SAYAN

technique..?

>

> Is there any CLassical explanation to Ayanamsha and it's usage..??

>

> Can someone give a Reason as to why these Ayanamshas exist together

and why

> Astrologers are not working to AGREE on 1 UNIVERSAL Ayanamsha..??

>

> kind regards,

> Mukesh

>

>

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