Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 As far as transits at the time of the accident, Mars was square his Moon, Ketu cnj. his Mercury (asc. ruler)and Mars, Saturn a close trine to his Sun, Uranus a close trine to Mercury and Mars, and Mercury cnj Rahu. It looks like the transitting asc. was right on his natal Rahu at the moment of the accident. Still, whoda thunk it? Marc's SR for this year doesn't look all that bad .... Saturn is angular, but Jupiter trines the asc, which is probably why he survived. .... Bettina Therese Hamilton [eastwest] Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:59 AM Marc Penfield's Accident Judy Johns posted this message on her Political List a few days ago: " Astrologer Marc Penfield was sitting in a local coffee shop having his morning tea and reading the newspaper when a truck crashed through the restaurant and nearly over the booth where Marc was sitting on July 30, 2004 at 8:08 AM in North Hollywood, CA " He was rushed to the hospital where they removed his spleen and 40 per cent of his pancreas. He also sustained injuries to one of his left ribs. Marc was in the hospital for 11 days and is home recuperating now. He thinks two other people were also injured in the accident, but were taken to other hospitals as their injuries were not as severe as his. " Marc was born Nov 8, 1942 at 8 PM CWT in Chicago, Illinois. " ---------------------- There was a controversy on the list as to whether Marc's time was CST or CWT. Marc himself uses CWT. The sidereal lunar return for this bizarre accident clearly supports the CWT time. For a bi-wheel of Marc's natal chart and the accident lunar return, please see the link on: http://users.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm Many thanks to Matthew Quellas for providing the bi-wheel return chart format for Solar Fire, which places the return chart and return chart cusps around the natal chart. We wish Marc a full recovery from his injuries. Therese " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 At 09:17 PM 8/19/04 -0700, Bettina wrote: >... >Marc's SR for this year doesn't look all that bad .... Saturn is angular, >but Jupiter trines the asc, which is probably why he survived. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bettina, if you set the solar return for Hollywood where the accident happened: The ascendant is................17 Sco 40 Mars is right on the nadir at...17 Aqu 03 Natal Saturn is on the descendant at 17 Tau 51 (Krishnamurti). However, this chart also has Jupiter at the zenith and Venus on the ascendant, so if the locale solar returns are valid, a lot more is going on in Marc's life than the accident. You're right--Marc's birth place solar return doesn't really suggest an accident that serious. This is why sidereal astrologers usually progress the solar return. I use the lunar returns and also the Enneads (nine annual 40 day charts based on the Sun) to try to zero in on important months. It seems to me that to get a picture of the entire year based on the solar return you'd have to animate the chart for the entire year. Maybe someone on this list who progresses solar returns can give us the picture for the date of the accident. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Therese, I was once in a fugue state in Solar Fire when I slipped into a way of putting the return cusps around the natal planets as you say here, but with no memory of how I got there I could never duplicate it. Could you tell me how now? muchas, estrella obscura ----------------------- Therese Hamilton wrote: > > Many thanks to Matthew Quellas for providing the bi-wheel return chart > format for Solar Fire, which places the return chart and return chart cusps > around the natal chart. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Since Marc has asc ruler cnj. 6th ruler Mars natally and 12th ruler Venus, there may be a proneness to certain types of disasters. .... Bettina Therese Hamilton [eastwest] Friday, August 20, 2004 12:29 AM RE: Marc Penfield's Accident At 09:17 PM 8/19/04 -0700, Bettina wrote: >... >Marc's SR for this year doesn't look all that bad .... Saturn is angular, >but Jupiter trines the asc, which is probably why he survived. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bettina, if you set the solar return for Hollywood where the accident happened: The ascendant is................17 Sco 40 Mars is right on the nadir at...17 Aqu 03 Natal Saturn is on the descendant at 17 Tau 51 (Krishnamurti). However, this chart also has Jupiter at the zenith and Venus on the ascendant, so if the locale solar returns are valid, a lot more is going on in Marc's life than the accident. You're right--Marc's birth place solar return doesn't really suggest an accident that serious. This is why sidereal astrologers usually progress the solar return. I use the lunar returns and also the Enneads (nine annual 40 day charts based on the Sun) to try to zero in on important months. It seems to me that to get a picture of the entire year based on the solar return you'd have to animate the chart for the entire year. Maybe someone on this list who progresses solar returns can give us the picture for the date of the accident. Therese " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 At 02:04 AM 8/20/04 -0700, Dark*Star wrote: > >I was once in a fugue state in Solar Fire when I slipped into a way of putting >the return cusps around the natal planets as you say here, but with no memory >of how I got there I could never duplicate it. Could you tell me how now? Dark*Star, Matthew Quellas (Bless his heart!) sent me a chart page he made for Solar Fire that will do this. I'm sure he'll be happy to send it to you also. If for some reason you can't contact Matthew, I'll look up the file. I don't think I ever really caught on to return charts until I saw the charts using Matthew's page. Return charts are very easy to mis-read if they're combined the wrong way with the natal chart. I can't believe that I mis-placed or deleted Matthew's e-mail about this page in my directories. I'll keep looking. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Good observation, Bettina! The law of attraction, I guess. Marc has some really good return examples in SOLAR RETURNS IN YOUR FACE, but sidereal astrologers will want to set up the charts in their own zodiac and interpret them using sidereal principles. Marc is sort of all over the board in his interpretion, though he does correct for precession. I admit I have trouble using the solar return chart for the entire year. This is why I set up the nine Ennead charts, which seem to be very descriptive of the 40 days in question. Oddly enough, however, these seem to work best for the birth place. I have to do more research on those charts. I don't think sidereal astrologers use them very often. The last I saw these chart discussed in print was in Jim Eshelman's INTERPRETING SOLAR RETURNS. T. At 09:30 AM 8/20/04 -0700, you wrote: >Since Marc has asc ruler cnj. 6th ruler Mars natally and 12th ruler Venus, >there may be a proneness to certain types of disasters. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2004 Report Share Posted August 23, 2004 Therese, I believe the 40 day ( & 40 nights) chart was devised by Donald Bradley shortly before he died. Dark*Star ---------------------- Therese Hamilton wrote: > I admit I have trouble using the solar return chart for the entire year. > This is why I set up the nine Ennead charts, which seem to be very > descriptive of the 40 days in question. Oddly enough, however, these seem > to work best for the birth place. I have to do more research on those > charts. I don't think sidereal astrologers use them very often. The last I > saw these chart discussed in print was in Jim Eshelman's INTERPRETING SOLAR > RETURNS. > > T. > > At 09:30 AM 8/20/04 -0700, you wrote: > >Since Marc has asc ruler cnj. 6th ruler Mars natally and 12th ruler Venus, > >there may be a proneness to certain types of disasters. > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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