RE: USA Chart/Jyotish

[Guest guest]

Hi Therese,

 

How do you find these dreadful things to worry about? If the Kelleher

is of value then I fear Bush will impose upon the Law. God, I hope he

doesn't become the Law. Sun-Saturn-ASC in close partile conjunction

(in the Lilly sense). We need to invent a word for exact aspect to 0*00'00 " .

Please post a couple solar returns that notoriously didn't 'work out.' You

say they have to exist, at least a few...I just want to see how much they

fail by. But nothing with disputed times, so all the USAs don't apply.

 

Dark*Star

 

Therese Hamilton wrote:

 

> It would be really interesting if many more solar return charts checked

> out. What do you make of the Sun-Saturn conjunction for the upcoming July

> return?

[Guest guest]

Therese, Dark*, Cynthia et al,

 

I haven't spent much time on Kelleher's chart, but I believe this chart

was used in part by Gayatri Devi, BV Raman's daughter, in predicting

trouble for the US in the time frame of 9/11. I could be wrong on this (

i.e. the use of the Kelleher chart), but I do remember reading a

reference to it in 2001. She is the only one, as far as I know, credited

with prediciting an event very close to the 9/11 time frame.

 

In India, the Mars/Ketu conjunction in Sagittarius is looked upon as

highly inflammatory, perhaps more so than any other sign, and here also

it was in the nakshatra of Ketu. For anyone putting these two factors

together, i.e., the Kelleher chart with the Mars/Ketu transit to the

chart ascendant, it was sure fire hit.

 

Of course in the west, we were looking at, and not all in retrospect,

the Saturn/Pluto opposition. The anlunar chart (the lunar return based

on the solar return of the Kelleher chart for that year) brings the

Saturn/Pluto near precise to angles (across the Asc/Desc)-- Pluto here

within minutes.

 

 

Best,

 

Steve

[Guest guest]

Dear Steven

I do beg to differ. I use the 2:19am of 7-4-1776 and put on my website on

9-11th that the hit would come that week. I know, I'm an " unknown " but it

was out there for all to read. Using this chart I also correctly got w's

nomination and election when others were sure he would lose. His chart just

triggered similar things to this chart. Anyway, I'm not bragging I swear

I'm not. I know historically that any time an astrologer get confidant in

her ability to predict, the universe will humble her. What I am trying to

point out is that the other chart worked very well as a way to see the hit

and the economic calamity that would follow. All those planets in the 2nd

transits and nodes in 2-8th. Also, the Kelleher chart doesn't show the

great fear and grief that would follow like a transiting Saturn on the Moon

of the other chart suggests. Likewise, when JFK was assasinated, Saturn was

on the Moon of the Uranus ASC chart.

 

Who knows which is right? I certainly don't claim to, but I'm pretty lunar

and I would expect that a big transit to the Moon in a nations chart would

reflect big emotions: Saturn equals sorrow. Where is that in the Kelleher

chart? Since the Moon is the planet that changes dramatically from chart to

chart, it made sense to me to watch that Moon for insight.

 

Thanks all for the discussion. It's great when astrologers can look at a

chart from a distance and see how it works....or doesn't.

 

cynthia

Steven Stuckey [shastrakara]

Friday, June 18, 2004 12:11 PM

Re: Re: USA Chart/Jyotish

 

 

 

 

Therese, Dark*, Cynthia et al,

 

I haven't spent much time on Kelleher's chart, but I believe this chart

was used in part by Gayatri Devi, BV Raman's daughter, in predicting

trouble for the US in the time frame of 9/11. I could be wrong on this (

i.e. the use of the Kelleher chart), but I do remember reading a

reference to it in 2001. She is the only one, as far as I know, credited

with prediciting an event very close to the 9/11 time frame.

 

In India, the Mars/Ketu conjunction in Sagittarius is looked upon as

highly inflammatory, perhaps more so than any other sign, and here also

it was in the nakshatra of Ketu. For anyone putting these two factors

together, i.e., the Kelleher chart with the Mars/Ketu transit to the

chart ascendant, it was sure fire hit.

 

Of course in the west, we were looking at, and not all in retrospect,

the Saturn/Pluto opposition. The anlunar chart (the lunar return based

on the solar return of the Kelleher chart for that year) brings the

Saturn/Pluto near precise to angles (across the Asc/Desc)-- Pluto here

within minutes.

 

 

Best,

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

cynthianovak wrote:

 

> Dear Steven

> I do beg to differ. I use the 2:19am of 7-4-1776 and put on my

> website on

> 9-11th that the hit would come that week. I know, I'm an " unknown "

> but it

> was out there for all to read. Using this chart I also correctly got

> w's

> nomination and election when others were sure he would lose. His

> chart just

> triggered similar things to this chart. Anyway, I'm not bragging I

> swear

> I'm not.

 

Hi Cynthia,

 

 

Congratulations on your prediction, (I'm gald I cautiously stated " ..as

far as I know. " )

It's ok to brag on a good prediction--you know, the squeaky wheel thing.

I've seen astrologers strutting their feathers for far less.

Is this still posted on your web site?, and if so, please post a link.

 

 

> I know historically that any time an astrologer get confidant in

> her ability to predict, the universe will humble her.

 

Any cases you care to cite?

 

I think one can be humble and still take credit (outwardly at least) for

a good prediction. The infinite always knows our true intentions anyway

(inwardly). Sometimes it's the silent ones you have to watch out for.

:>))

 

 

I've spent very little time on this subject--a reliable US chart--there

could be several that work well. I prefer to stick with good reliable

natal data.

 

 

Best,

 

Steve

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Therese Hamilton wrote:

 

>

> Steve, that is an amazing hit, especially when considered in

> combination

> with the solar return chart for the year. I think I'm starting to be

> convinced...

 

Hi Therese,

 

I'll have to spend a bit of time with it, but so far does look

promising. Jefferson wanted to break in time for supper--I wonder when

they ate the last meal of the day in those times?

 

>

>

> I do have a lot of faith in Karave (spelling?), though I never met

> him....passed up a great opprotunity to help host him for a

> conference.

> Karave, incidentally, gave a 1:10 p.m. birth time for Princess Diana.

> It

> works out perfectly for the solar return of her death year.

 

I met Karave some years ago at Chakrapani Ullal's house here Los

Angeles. My birth certificate time gives me about 2 Sag rising, but my

own rectification takes it back to 26 Scorpio.

Karave sat in his chair and read my rising as 26 Scorpio and all other

planets correct to the degree. He also stated by birth date

correctly---all this from the thin air.

 

His degrees tallied with the Fagan ayanamsa however, but not to worry,

the others he read for tallied with Lahiri's, which was the ayanamsa

that they were using.

 

I " ve met two Indian astrologer's who have had their palms read in India,

where the palmist in each case derived the chart correctly to each

planetary degree, using only the palm as their guide.

 

And then of course there are the nadi leaves.....India is indeed a very

mystical place.

 

 

Best,

 

Steve

 

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

[cynthianovak] Dear All, Therese and I were talking away from the list,

she suggested I post these two paragraphs from that conversation so y'all

can comment.

 

C:....I found that the Moon in the Uranus lagna

 

chart (using the Vedic technique of puting the planet, in this case Uranus

 

for revolution, on the lagna) was 27 Cap. Dhanishta of entreprenurs and

 

active business made a lot of sense for a capitalist nation. It puts

Rohini

 

of indulgence on the lagna. Also Uranus was 27 Cap. on 9-11th with

 

transiting nodes in 2nd and 8th making a pretty clear indication of some

 

calamity that would befall the ecnomy and possible terrorist hit. At least

 

that is what I used when I predicted that the hit would come that week. I

do

 

watch the different charts, they just don't talk to me like the Uranus

 

rising one does. That may be as much my limitations as anything.

 

 

 

I can see why you would assume that I was tropical because of the thread

on

 

the Gemini rising, In Vedic it is of course Taurus with those planets

 

Kelleher has in the 7th in the 2nd of $$$ When Saturn transits Mars in the

 

past, there have been financial difficulties. But on 9-11th Saturn was

 

sitting right on the lagna then the transit to Mars came later with the

slow

 

process of economic spending and loss. Where did the money go? Away, Mars

 

is lord of the 7th and 12th to other countries. Anyway, this is the chart

 

that speaks to me. It may not make sense in theory but it sure talk to me:

 

smiles

 

---------

 

From Steve STuckey

 

Congratulations on your prediction, (I'm gald I cautiously stated " ..as

far as I know. " )

It's ok to brag on a good prediction--you know, the squeaky wheel thing.

I've seen astrologers strutting their feathers for far less.

Is this still posted on your web site?, and if so, please post a link.

[cynthianovak] www.cynthianovak.com

[cynthianovak]

Dear Steve, Each month I do a day to day for the general public. It

evolved over time, and is not very interesting to astrologers. What I do

for the individual days is try to assimilate the days planets and the

nakshatras. If you page down to the end of the daily messages, you'll find

Central Themes. June's is posted now. I'll see if I still have the old

backup from the 9-11-2001. Had a hard drive failure last fall and lost many

older files. When I do the central themes for each month, I run a chart for

the 4 primary phases of the Moon and just sit with them. I also look at

stations and places where planets are either gathering or opposing. Often

the more basic or simple interpretations are the best.

 

> I know historically that any time an astrologer get confidant in

> her ability to predict, the universe will humble her.

 

Any cases you care to cite?[cynthianovak] no, wouldn't dare <smiles> I

have this strange suspician that the universe is set up in such a manner

that keeps us on our toes.

 

I think one can be humble and still take credit (outwardly at least) for

a good prediction. The infinite always knows our true intentions anyway

(inwardly). Sometimes it's the silent ones you have to watch out for.

:>))

 

 

I've spent very little time on this subject--a reliable US chart--there

could be several that work well. I prefer to stick with good reliable

natal data.

 

[cynthianovak] Dear Steve, natal charts are the best of astrology! In the

absence of good natal data, the Moon's chart (Moon on the ASC) works well.

I've been doing astrology for years now full time. It seems that part of

the process is to say things about the nation and other countries. Given

good natal data on world leaders is powerful.

 

 

Thank you all for the discussion, I'll try to keep up.

c

 

Best,

 

Steve