Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 At 04:49 PM 11/19/03 Antonio wrote: >Hi Therese, >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >No apologies needed, and no need to bother about that!! But if you >want to know how I do it, in a PC with Microsoft Windows I just press >the key " Alt Gr " >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't have an Alt Gr key. Maybe that's only in the UK? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> For anyone who is following this discussion, here are Antonio's >Lahiri planetary positions: Subtract 53 minutes (that is, subtract a whole >degree and add 7 minutes) to get the Fagan-Bradley positions. >> >> Ascendant: 3 59 AQ >> Mercury: 9 39 AQ >> Sun: 9 57 AQ >> Uranus: 0 01 Leo >> Moon: 7 17 Taurus >> Venus: 24 16 Pisces > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I fixed the Moon and Venus above. Sorry--old age lapse! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Well spotted! I also had found myself some time ago that I am not a >Venus person, not only because of the aspects, but because in the >tropical zodiac Venus is in Aries, and therefore in detriment. >However in the sidereal zodiac, Venus is in Pisces, and therefore in >exaltation. Should that not make it stronger? >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No, it wouldn't be stronger in your personality. This is one aspect of Tropical astrology that has really caused a lot of misunderstanding--that the entire chart has to do with a person's psychology. I haven't found that to be true. Mostly it's the Moon--and the Sun less so that has to do with personality. By that I mean aspecting planets to the Moon. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >No, I am not protective of my sisters and am not talented with my >hands. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hmmmm....getting to your Venus. You're an engineer. Do you use the keyboard a lot or do drawings at all? Use computer design programs in your work? Can you give us a few details of what your work involves? Your Venus is in a mansion of Mercury, so somehow Mercury would come into how your Venus is used. I'm rather happy that your Venus doesn't relate to sisters. I don't like that kind of interpretation--that certain houses relate to various relatives. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Uranus dominating the chart. Only in this case, I expect that checking out >> actual horoscopes would verify the association of Aquarius and Mercury-Uranus with science and computers. > >That is why I am liking sidereal. In tropical both the Sun and >Mercury are in Pisces, and then the computer theme does not come out >so strong. Also I am an engineer, which I think has to do with >Saturn, the old ruler of Aquarius. > >> POLARITY: Aquarius is masculine, that is inclined to autonomy, >getting the answers in life mostly from within rather than always consulting >other people and frequently asking for advice. (Venus and the Moon >> consult-feminine; The Sun finds the answers within-masculine.) > >That is a very interesting definition of masculinity and very >original!! I don't think I have seen it before. You say below that I >have a very masculine chart. Using your definition you are 100% on >the spot, but using some other definitions I could say I have a very >strong feminine side!! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Tropoical system has the definitions of masculine and feminine mostly backwards. You'll see what I mean when you read the zodiac articles. Maybe I'll be able to get them on-line this week. I sent them to you in Word format. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The number of planets in my chart in cardinal signs is about the same >if I use the tropical or sidereal zodiac. However in the tropical >zodiac the majority of the remaining planets is in mutable signs, >while in the sidereal zodiac the majority is in fixed. > >In tropical speak, if you have many planets in mutable signs, you are >adaptable and can change. That very much fits me. I reasoned that if >I stayed five years on a job it was because of all the mutable >planets, as I could adapt, however you say above that I stay in the >same job a long time because of the planets in fixed signs. The >conclusion is that both sidereal and tropical interpretations come to >the same destination even if they take different routes!! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I haven't convinced myself yet that the cardinal-fixed-mutable labels work in the psychological sense. So let's toss those out for the moment. The dominant angular configuration in your chart is Sun-Mer in 1st opposed by Uranus in 7th and the Moon in Taurus in the 4th. For those who look mainly at the planets, they'd say that the aspect of Uranus to your Sun-Mercury would indicate quick changes and also perhaps quick changing moods. (We are ignoring the supposed fixidity of Leo and Aquarius here.) The aspect of Uranus dominates. Chalk one up for the superiority of the planets over the signs. Now taking the Moon in Taurus: In the Tropical zodiac Taurus is fixed. In the sidereal zodiac Taurus is ruled by Venus and is the exaltation of the Moon--a feminine sign to be sure, and the Moon is the all-around symbol for change and adaptability. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >In the tropical zodiac, I considered my ability to communicate and >exchange ideas to originate from Mercury in the first house, that >would give me a Geminian bent, but I agree that in the sidereal zodiac this >ability comes out stronger. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Question: Two signs in the zodiac are said to be associated with Mercury--Gemini and Virgo. Why is it that only Tropical Gemini has to do with communication?? Answer: because it's not the association with Mercury that makes Gemini the communicator. It's because it's the home of Venus and the exalted Moon, and these are both feminine planets, and it's generally the ladies that do most of the talking! (That is, if you take the world average.) The other two signs of the Taurus triad are also into reading, writing and communication--if they're situated in certain ways in the horoscope. Tropoical Virgo isn't into communication--it's into work (the Sun, since Virgo is sidereal Leo). >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >I am very skeptical, and that probably comes from Saturn (according >to what I read in another forum), which is very strong (in Capricorn, >the sign it rules, both in the tropical and sidereal zodiacs). Also I >am very rational (Aquarius), and most of my life I saw Astrology as >nothing but superstition. It's only 8 months since I " discovered " >Astrology. In another forum someone said that discovery happened >because transiting Uranus came into conjunction with my natal Mercury. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Skepticism comes mainly from Mercury, because Mercury is the thinker and wants to be logical. Mercury wants the facts, not pie-in-the-sky theories. Oh, right!! You are having a very important transit of Uranus now. It will be continuing for awhile. Your ascendant, Sun and Mercury are in a rather esoteric mansion belonging to the Moon's north node--Rahu. Let's see how this turns out! And you've just discovered astrology. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The whole thing seems a bit contradictory. Aquarius is supposed to be >related to Astrology but also with rationality, aren't they mutually >exclusive? :-) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Aquarius isn't related to rationality. Saturn and probably Mars are. Not a zodiac sign, however. The signs have to do with activities. You have a nice trine from Saturn in its own sign to your Moon. Aquarius lets the Sun and Mercury act in a more Saturnian way, but it's Saturn itself that would have to do with what is rational. Saturn is the scientist. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >You are 100% right, women do not play a prominent role in my life. >But as I said above, I have a very strong feminine side (using a >different definition of femininity from you). The way I see it, that >is the reason why I don't need women in my life, because I am >balanced, while those guys that are very masculine they need a woman >to balance things out! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ An interesting perspective! It's true that of the four triads, it's the Gemini triad (Gem-Lib-Aqu) that have the most balanced male-female mixture in the psychological sense. However, these are quieter and more autonomous signs--the masculine polarity. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Mostly though, we see that the Tropical books were written from the >> perspective of theory rather than fact. > >Very interesting conclusion. I think you are saying what I said in >another posting a few days ago in different words. If the tropical >books in part give delineations based on theory rather than fact, >that explains why Sun in tropical Aquarius describes me better than >Sun in tropical Pisces. Yes, although sidereal astrologers greatly dislike the idea, the Tropical people have actually helped us define the sidereal signs. They're very good at theory!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The good thing about this is that we do not >have to discard all the tropical stuff, on the contrary we can use >80% of it!! And that is great because there are many more tropical >books out there than sidereal. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is my point, and you'll see how all this can be practically applied in the sidereal zodiac when you read the zodiac articles. Sigh....my converts are mostly Tropical astrologers. Sidereal astrologers want to close the book on anything Tropical, but I believe their observations can help us understand the sidereal signs. Blessings, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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