Libra and hermit qualities

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In this article you say that Libra is outgoing. I

practice jyotish and in that there are aspects called

nakshastras and these have their own meanings. Anyway

with the sidereal chart Picasso's sun is in the

nakshastra " Swati " which is small segment of Libra

that actually causes a tendency to be a hermit. Just

thought I'd throw that in.

donna

 

 

> Message: 1

> Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:21:09 EST

> Aumgn93

> Re: Picasso analysed

>

> Hi, Breck!

>

> In a message dated 00-01-16 18:58:05 EST, you write:

>

> >>1) Why couldn't Picasso have been a Libra? He

> was an artist,

> >> and Venus, the planet of the arts, rules Libra.

> >

> > +He couldn't have been a Libra because he was

> such a Scorpio! He was

> > (in)famous for his intensity, sexual nature, the

> sexual orientation of much

> > of his art, occupation with Death, domineering

> character, appearance, and

> > great wealth (Pluto=riches).

>

> Small bones of contentions here:

>

> 1) Anyone, regardless of sun sign, will act

> Scorpioid in at least some ways

> if their Pluto is strong enough.

>

> I'm reminded here of " televangelist " John

> Ankerberg's " experiment " that was

> intended to " debunk " astrology. They went and got

> the birthdates of several

> symphony orchestra members and discovered --

> ta-daaaaa! -- that the birthdays

> were randomly fairly evenly distributed among the

> signs. Well, whoopdee doo,

> you and I and everyone else who knows about

> angularity, aspects, & aspects to

> midpoints could have told them that's what they'd

> find. What I'd like to

> know is where do the Sun (ego), Venus (art) and

> Uranus (foreground Uranus =

> need for an audience) tend to show up in their

> charts? Let's not make the

> mistake astrology's critics make by placing too much

> emphasis on the Sun Sign.

>

> 2) Jupiter, not Pluto, is the planet of riches.

>

> > You asked if I had ever done returns, either

> lunar or solar. Answer: yes I

> > have done solar returns for myself; used to do

> them every year on my

> > birthday. Never got beans out of them. So

> maybe...

>

> Neither did anyone else. Cyril Fagan was trying to

> fix that problem when he

> decided to try correcting for precession. Then,

> suddenly, he found they

> worked.

>

> This is why all those books coming out about

> tropical solar returns put me

> off -- they don't insist on correcting for

> precession.

>

> > With the 11:15 p.m. birth time for Picasso,

>

> Did you remember to convert local mean time to

> Greenwich Mean Time? Since

> Picasso was born _west_ of 0* longitude, you have to

> _add_ 4 minutes for

> every degree, giving Picasso a birthtime of 11:32pm

> GMT. (God, I HATE " local

> mean time " <g>)

>

> > which is also used by the

> > Circle Book of Charts, one comes up with a

> Tropical ascendent of Leo 5d42m,

> > which converted to Sidereal would render a Cancer

> rising. Sun in Scorpio

> > at 2d42m would be moved to Libra but still be in

> the Fourth House near the

> > Nadir.

>

> Yes, you did; that's what I got, too.

>

> > The Moon (ahem) would be moved back into Scorpio

> :-) in the Fifth

> > (which isn't too shabby), and is conjunct the

> Dragon's Head. The Taurus

> > stellium (Tropical) involving Saturn, Neptune,

> Jupiter and Pluto (!) in the

> > Tenth House, would be split Sidereally, with

> Saturn and Neptune in Aries

> > but with Jupiter and Pluto remaining in Taurus.

> Still it IS a close

> > conjunction betw. Jupiter and Pluto and that

> certainly lends a Scorpionic

> > curve to things. Interestingly IMHO the Second

> and Eighth Houses, as

> > indicators of wealth, are relatively unemphasized

> with only quixotic Uranus

> > tenanting the Second. Yet Picasso was one of the

> wealthiest men of his

> > time in Europe and certainly the wealthiest

> Artist ever.

>

> Don't forget that the Moon's Northern Node, which

> the Moon conjuncts, forms a

> " yod " to the Mars-Saturn Sextile, too. Interesting.

> . .

>

> > Still it is odd to see a Libran so non-social.

> Libra, to my way of

> > thinking, is the quintessential Sign of Wanting

> to Belong and wanting to

> > show that it can cooperate. And yet Picasso was

> not very sociable for most

> > of his life. Perhaps we don't do as well with

> the challenge presented by

> > our Sun's Sign (i.e. our dharma) as we like to

> think! Picasso's challenge

> > was to be a Libra but he blew it. He acted much

> more the Water Sign

> > Cancerian rising with Moon in secretive Scorpio.

>

> I'm sure that having such an angular Saturn caused a

> lot of problems in that

> area, too. Foreground Saturn can cause shyness.

>

> > Now Kevin, tell me more about how to do Sidereal

> Solar Returns!!!

>

> There's several ways to do them, using either the

> location where the person

> will be at the time of the return or the location

> where they'll be for most

> of the year (some people like to go to the " best

> location, " and then go home,

> but it turns out not to work that way).

>

> 1) All decent software has a Sidereal Zodiac

> option. (You can get what I

> use at www.halloran.com.) Do your Sidereal Birth

> Chart, and then, if your

> software lets you (mine does), use it for Solar and

> Lunar returns using the

> Sidereal Zodiac option.

>

> 2) If the person in question was born in or after

> 1976 (I've been meeting

> more of them lately), or if the year in question is

> 1976 or later, and you

> don't have sidereal option software, ACS has

> Sidereal ephemerides for

> 1976-2000 and 2001-2050. Do their chart (use them

> like any other ephemeris),

> and, for luminary returns, use them to determine the

> day and time (on or

> around the birthday) the sun returns to the natal

> longitude. It's a form of

> " engineering backwards " -- instead of using the time

> to find the longitude,

>

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