Picasso analysed

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Hi, Breck!

 

In a message dated 00-01-16 18:58:05 EST, you write:

 

>>1) Why couldn't Picasso have been a Libra? He was an artist,

>> and Venus, the planet of the arts, rules Libra.

>

> +He couldn't have been a Libra because he was such a Scorpio! He was

> (in)famous for his intensity, sexual nature, the sexual orientation of much

> of his art, occupation with Death, domineering character, appearance, and

> great wealth (Pluto=riches).

 

Small bones of contentions here:

 

1) Anyone, regardless of sun sign, will act Scorpioid in at least some ways

if their Pluto is strong enough.

 

I'm reminded here of " televangelist " John Ankerberg's " experiment " that was

intended to " debunk " astrology. They went and got the birthdates of several

symphony orchestra members and discovered -- ta-daaaaa! -- that the birthdays

were randomly fairly evenly distributed among the signs. Well, whoopdee doo,

you and I and everyone else who knows about angularity, aspects, & aspects to

midpoints could have told them that's what they'd find. What I'd like to

know is where do the Sun (ego), Venus (art) and Uranus (foreground Uranus =

need for an audience) tend to show up in their charts? Let's not make the

mistake astrology's critics make by placing too much emphasis on the Sun Sign.

 

2) Jupiter, not Pluto, is the planet of riches.

 

> You asked if I had ever done returns, either lunar or solar. Answer: yes I

> have done solar returns for myself; used to do them every year on my

> birthday. Never got beans out of them. So maybe...

 

Neither did anyone else. Cyril Fagan was trying to fix that problem when he

decided to try correcting for precession. Then, suddenly, he found they

worked.

 

This is why all those books coming out about tropical solar returns put me

off -- they don't insist on correcting for precession.

 

> With the 11:15 p.m. birth time for Picasso,

 

Did you remember to convert local mean time to Greenwich Mean Time? Since

Picasso was born _west_ of 0* longitude, you have to _add_ 4 minutes for

every degree, giving Picasso a birthtime of 11:32pm GMT. (God, I HATE " local

mean time " <g>)

 

> which is also used by the

> Circle Book of Charts, one comes up with a Tropical ascendent of Leo 5d42m,

> which converted to Sidereal would render a Cancer rising. Sun in Scorpio

> at 2d42m would be moved to Libra but still be in the Fourth House near the

> Nadir.

 

Yes, you did; that's what I got, too.

 

> The Moon (ahem) would be moved back into Scorpio :-) in the Fifth

> (which isn't too shabby), and is conjunct the Dragon's Head. The Taurus

> stellium (Tropical) involving Saturn, Neptune, Jupiter and Pluto (!) in the

> Tenth House, would be split Sidereally, with Saturn and Neptune in Aries

> but with Jupiter and Pluto remaining in Taurus. Still it IS a close

> conjunction betw. Jupiter and Pluto and that certainly lends a Scorpionic

> curve to things. Interestingly IMHO the Second and Eighth Houses, as

> indicators of wealth, are relatively unemphasized with only quixotic Uranus

> tenanting the Second. Yet Picasso was one of the wealthiest men of his

> time in Europe and certainly the wealthiest Artist ever.

 

Don't forget that the Moon's Northern Node, which the Moon conjuncts, forms a

" yod " to the Mars-Saturn Sextile, too. Interesting. . .

 

> Still it is odd to see a Libran so non-social. Libra, to my way of

> thinking, is the quintessential Sign of Wanting to Belong and wanting to

> show that it can cooperate. And yet Picasso was not very sociable for most

> of his life. Perhaps we don't do as well with the challenge presented by

> our Sun's Sign (i.e. our dharma) as we like to think! Picasso's challenge

> was to be a Libra but he blew it. He acted much more the Water Sign

> Cancerian rising with Moon in secretive Scorpio.

 

I'm sure that having such an angular Saturn caused a lot of problems in that

area, too. Foreground Saturn can cause shyness.

 

> Now Kevin, tell me more about how to do Sidereal Solar Returns!!!

 

There's several ways to do them, using either the location where the person

will be at the time of the return or the location where they'll be for most

of the year (some people like to go to the " best location, " and then go home,

but it turns out not to work that way).

 

1) All decent software has a Sidereal Zodiac option. (You can get what I

use at www.halloran.com.) Do your Sidereal Birth Chart, and then, if your

software lets you (mine does), use it for Solar and Lunar returns using the

Sidereal Zodiac option.

 

2) If the person in question was born in or after 1976 (I've been meeting

more of them lately), or if the year in question is 1976 or later, and you

don't have sidereal option software, ACS has Sidereal ephemerides for

1976-2000 and 2001-2050. Do their chart (use them like any other ephemeris),

and, for luminary returns, use them to determine the day and time (on or

around the birthday) the sun returns to the natal longitude. It's a form of

" engineering backwards " -- instead of using the time to find the longitude,

use the longitude to find the time.

 

3) If you only have access to tropical ephemerides, and no access to

software with the sidereal option, you'll have to find the SVP for the day in

question. Good luck on that, though, 'cuz it'll be tough.

 

4) For those who are dyed-in-the wool Tropicalists, they can still use this

method, but, once they have the time of the Sidereal return, they need only

cast a Tropical chart for the time. This is known as a " Precession-Corrected

Tropical Return, " and, like Sidereal Returns, they're more accurate since

they'll show what planets are angular.

 

Later,

Kevin/Baraka