Ingress charts/9-11

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At 11:59 PM 10/12/04 -0700, Dark*Star wrote:

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>Hello Therese,

>

>On one will deny that 9/11 was a most supreme event in world history.

>As such it is ever a beacon for the mundane astrologer, occurring under

>the Cancer Ingress. In this ingress Fagan puts Mars and Pluto _on the

>7th angle with Saturn opposing. Don't you find it disconcerting that in

>Krishnamurti these planets are found so awash from the angles in this

>Krakatoa of the 21st Century?

 

Dark*Star,

 

If you've read my posts during the last year or so you'll know that I only

look at the preceding solar ingress for events. So I wouldn't use the

sidereal Cancer ingress for a September 11th date. (The Tropical ingresses

are another matter since they relate to the all important equinox dates and

solstices.)

 

Also any traumatic event like 9-11 or a major earthquake has to be mirrored

in the same way in the ingress and event charts. We have this in the

preceding Krishnamurti Leo ingress for 9-11 where the event chart has

Mercury in the ascendant degree with Jupiter at the MC/zenith. This

configuration has multiple quinxunx aspects from Pluto-Uranus. Mars with

Ketu (south node) opposes the Moon/Rahu (north node).

 

Now looking at the Leo ingress, the ascendant is less than a degree from

the event chart ascendant. Again, multiple qunincuxes. with Jupiter at the

zenith with Rahu and Mars quincunx Moon at the MC. Both charts have the

very close Saturn opposite Pluto aspecting the ascendant.

 

I've found two key configurations that seem to always show up in traumatic

events that affect many people: The Moon's nodes are involved in relation

to the angles, and there will be multiple quincunx aspects or multiple

opposition aspects. Usually the quincunx. More reseach is needed, however.

 

A final note: To research the ayanamsa, you need many more events than one.

If you took all the known major contemporary terrorist attacks and checked

out the preceding sidereal cardinal ingress, and they showed similar

dramatic configurations on the angles (as you pointed out for 9-11), then

you'd have strong evidence for an ayanamsa. Also you'd have to show that

these dramatic angular pictures **were not** on the angles for all the

other non-event months of the year. So far the work involved in this kind

of research has proved too much for today's astrologers who are happy

pointing out only single events to support a favorite theory.

 

I've had to be off-line (mostly) the several days. I had a few minutes this

morning to reply to e-mails. So please excuse the brevity of this reply.

 

Therese

[Guest guest]

Say, Therese...

 

Maybe we can have it both ways...

 

My Fagan Cancer Mars-Pluto-Saturn-Moon-Venus-ASC-DSC

....it even has Uranus-MC from the Kitty Hawk 1903 for the airplanes

(or guided missiles of the paranoid)...for the death of three

thousand innocents.

 

&

 

Your Krishnamurti Leo Mercury-Jupiter-ASC-MC-Zenith and such

for the fall of stockbrokers from high places.

 

I do read your posts, but working down from the Cardinals in a

hierarchy of values cuts the proliferation of charts that are otherwise

spawned. All those other little things can be researched later as

curioused.

 

I once sat through an astrologer's lecture on the charts of

500 lesbians and asked her at the end what the significators were.

She said she didn't know because, " we need more charts " . Well I

have bad news for everybody ~ There will never be enough charts to

prove anything. But I do find three point the way nicely.

 

The Tropical ingresses are not just another matter but the archetypal

admonition that underscores Cardinality as God in all zodiacs.

 

All the Cardinals from Libra through Capricorn, Aries to Cancer

contributed to the 9/11 equation with Aries presenting an ASC of

29 Gemini 23 as a pass-go to the next ingress. Perhaps beguiled by

the foot note on page 29 of Charubel's _The Degrees of the Zodiac

Symbolised, I like to start the zoidon year at Libra. Purely arbitrary.

 

Or maybe it's just hormones --guys' eyes grab for the Angles while

women's' eyes wander-meander to the soft 30 degree in-betweens?

 

Ye-Stars!

 

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Therese Hamilton wrote:

 

> Dark*Star wrote:

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> If you've read my posts during the last year or so you'll know that I only

> look at the preceding solar ingress for events. So I wouldn't use the

> sidereal Cancer ingress for a September 11th date. (The Tropical ingresses

> are another matter since they relate to the all important equinox dates and

> solstices.)

>

>

>

>

>

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At 04:51 AM 10/14/04 -0700, Dark*Star wrote:

 

>...I once sat through an astrologer's lecture on the charts of

>500 lesbians and asked her at the end what the significators were.

>She said she didn't know because, " we need more charts " . Well I

>have bad news for everybody ~ There will never be enough charts to

>prove anything...

 

Dark*Star,

 

Thanks for your convoluted (or is that poetic?) reply!

 

20-50 charts will do. No need for 500. Astrologers generally seem to have

afflicted Mercuries (not able to pick out the specifics). They use either

single chart examples or for the few 'researchers' so many charts they lose

track of what they're looking for.

 

Apologies...the day calls for my attention.

 

Therese