Guest guest Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Steven... Thank You for sharing... I love how you thought to use the decimal value... Can't wait to check it out soon.... Would be nice to have an updated NOvA o work with... It has within it the most sidereal tools to work with... Jivio Steven Stuckey <shastrakara wrote: About a year ago I worked out a way to watch angles move in the dynamic mode for the PSSR and SQ charts for users of Solar Fire 5. SF5 will calculate the PSSR for any date, but you cannot watch the angles move in dynamic fashion. There is no way to calculate the SQ rate in Solar Fire, but the old Nova software, whch runs in DOS will do this. Here's the way to do this, for anyone interested: 1. Calculate the regular Solar Return as usual 2. Place this chart in a dynamic bi-wheel 3. Adjust the outer chart of the bi-wheel to the exact date and time of the SR--so that you are looking at two identical charts now in the dyamaic mode. 4. Set the increment to the hour mode (as opposed to minute, day, year etc.) 5. Delete the " 1 " to the left of the hour button and in it's place type in: A. For PSSR rate: .082555219 B. For SQ rate: .065712777 Once this is done, one click of the button moving forward in time will equal one day of travel of the angles at either the PSSR or SQ rate. The only drawback for this is you will have to keep track of the days as you click the button, the regular day counter will not reflect the appropriate day becasue of our decimal input. The numbers for this were derived from Fagan's Primer. I've checked both rates and they are fairly good on accuracy. The SQ rate was checked against Nova when I had that up and running. One difference--I believe Fagan calculated planetary momement of the progressed charts using Secondary Progressions--here they will move at the respective PSSR or SQ rate. The only differenence you will notice will be in the Moon , which will move a bit faster than the Secondary rate. Best, Steve " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Juan Oliver wrote: > Steven... Thank You for sharing... I love how you thought to use the > decimal value... Can't wait to check it out soon.... Would be nice to > have an updated NOvA o work with... It has within it the most sidereal > tools to work with... Hi Juan, Glad to be of service! The way I presented this was with a bi-wheel, to be able to watch the movement of the angles and planets against the stationary SR. However, obviously,a single dynamic wheel allows you to see all house cusps moving and in addition ,you don't have to line up 2 charts to start with--probably the better way to do it. Another way to do this, is to set up a bi-wheel with the natal chart on the inner and the SR on the outer (you simply have to adjust the outer wheel to the exact date and time of the SR ). This way you can watch the movement of the progressed angles to natal planets. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 , Steven Stuckey <shastrakara@s...> wrote: > > About a year ago I worked out a way to watch angles move in the dynamic > mode for the PSSR and SQ charts for users of Solar Fire 5. > > > SF5 will calculate the PSSR for any date, but you cannot watch the > angles move in dynamic fashion. There is no way to calculate the SQ rate > in Solar Fire, but the old Nova software, whch runs in DOS will do this. > > Here's the way to do this, for anyone interested: > > 1. Calculate the regular Solar Return as usual > 2. Place this chart in a dynamic bi-wheel > 3. Adjust the outer chart of the bi-wheel to the exact date and time of > the SR--so that you are looking at two identical charts now in the > dyamaic mode. > 4. Set the increment to the hour mode (as opposed to minute, day, year > etc.) > 5. Delete the " 1 " to the left of the hour button and in it's place type > in: > A. For PSSR rate: .082555219 > B. For SQ rate: .065712777 > > > Once this is done, one click of the button moving forward in time will > equal one day of travel of the angles at either the PSSR or SQ rate. > > The only drawback for this is you will have to keep track of the days as > you click the button, the regular day counter will not reflect the > appropriate day becasue of our decimal input. > > The numbers for this were derived from Fagan's Primer. I've checked > both rates and they are fairly good on accuracy. The SQ rate was checked > against Nova when I had that up and running. > > One difference--I believe Fagan calculated planetary momement of the > progressed charts using Secondary Progressions--here they will move at > the respective PSSR or SQ rate. The only differenence you will notice > will be in the Moon , which will move a bit faster than the Secondary > rate. > > Best, > > Steve ---------------------- Steve and Everyone, With SF5 there is a much easier way to access the Dynamic/Animated NQ or SQ chart. It can be done with either a biwheel or triwheel. First thing, on the main screen, go to Preferences > Edit settings > Progs/Dirns Tab. " Chart Angle Progression Type " = Mean Quotidian. " Progression Day Type " = either Q1(Bija) or Q2 (Standard). Select Dynamic on the main page (make sure you have selected the proper chart in the Calculated charts box, either the natal, natal relocated, or SSR). Then Animate bi-wheel or tri-wheel. This brings up a View of either with certain options in place. Then click on the " Charts " button on the right. Brings up a page with three white boxes and a whole lot of options. The bottom box, " Selected Charts " indicates WHAT is being used in each wheel. Highlight the wheel position you want to change. Then, in the middle box, " Dynamic Method to apply to base chart " , for NQ or SQ select Secondary Progressions. On the Bi-wheel the outer wheel will show quotidian angles; on the Tri-wheel, the middle chart will show the NQ or SQ angles, depending on what your Base Chart is. SF5 does not do quotidians based on Apparent Sun, only on Mean Sun. DRAT!! I ran some hand calcuations to compare against the SF5 PSSR chart. SF5 PSSR showed Local Sidereal Time of 15:15:51 for progression to a specific epoch. Hand calculations using the SSR Year constant ((LST yr 2 - LST yr1) /24 hours) [or over 24:00:04 (increase in Sun's RA)] X alpha-age (increase in Sun's RA from SSR to epoch) gave PSSR LST of 15:19:03. Hand calculations similar to above, but using increase in Mean Sun instead of Apparent Sun gave PSSR LST of 15:15:33 Figuring out a User Defined Progression Rate and letting SF5 calculate the progression to the same epoch gave PSSR LST 15:20:16. To get a User Defined Progression Rate for Dynamic PSSRs, get out paper, pen and calculator again. In the following, " Length of Day " = difference between LST of current SSR and LST of following year. " Length of Year " = the Sidereal Year of 365.2563553 days ((Length of Day/24 hour day) / Length of Year) = a decimal somewhere around 0.003436.... Place this figure back on the Preferences > Progs/Dirns under Rate for User Defined Progs. Then you can pull up a Bi-wheel or Tri-wheel under Dynamic options, using the current SSR as base chart, follow through with the " Charts " button again, then select for either outer or middle wheel User Progression to get a dynamic PSSR that's not TOO FAR from hand calculated. Of course, that User Rate must be recalculated for each year's SSR or for someone else's SSR. It looks a little clunky, but you can watch the quotidian angles move and have the right date in the window on the Dynamic page. Sidereally yours, Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 Hi Matthew, Thanks for this--I didn't know there was another way to do it. It would be nice to progress the chart with the correct date reflected--this does look a bit more complicated however--I'll try it and let you know. Best, Steve mquellas wrote: > > With SF5 there is a much easier way to access the Dynamic/Animated NQ > or SQ chart. It can be done with either a biwheel or triwheel. > > First thing, on the main screen, go to Preferences > Edit settings > > Progs/Dirns Tab. " Chart Angle Progression Type " = Mean > Quotidian. " Progression Day Type " = either Q1(Bija) or Q2 (Standard). > > Select Dynamic on the main page (make sure you have selected the > proper chart in the Calculated charts box, either the natal, natal > relocated, or SSR). Then Animate bi-wheel or tri-wheel. This brings > up a View of either with certain options in place. Then click on > the " Charts " button on the right. Brings up a page with three white > boxes and a whole lot of options. > > The bottom box, " Selected Charts " indicates WHAT is being used in > each wheel. Highlight the wheel position you want to change. Then, in > the middle box, " Dynamic Method to apply to base chart " , for NQ or SQ > select Secondary Progressions. On the Bi-wheel the outer wheel will > show quotidian angles; on the Tri-wheel, the middle chart will show > the NQ or SQ angles, depending on what your Base Chart is. > > SF5 does not do quotidians based on Apparent Sun, only on Mean Sun. > DRAT!! > > I ran some hand calcuations to compare against the SF5 PSSR chart. > SF5 PSSR showed Local Sidereal Time of 15:15:51 for progression to a > specific epoch. > > Hand calculations using the SSR Year constant ((LST yr 2 - LST > yr1) /24 hours) [or over 24:00:04 (increase in Sun's RA)] X alpha-age > (increase in Sun's RA from SSR to epoch) gave PSSR LST of 15:19:03. > > Hand calculations similar to above, but using increase in Mean Sun > instead of Apparent Sun gave PSSR LST of 15:15:33 > > Figuring out a User Defined Progression Rate and letting SF5 > calculate the progression to the same epoch gave PSSR LST 15:20:16. > > To get a User Defined Progression Rate for Dynamic PSSRs, get out > paper, pen and calculator again. > > In the following, " Length of Day " = difference between LST of current > SSR and LST of following year. > " Length of Year " = the Sidereal Year of 365.2563553 days > > ((Length of Day/24 hour day) / Length of Year) = a decimal somewhere > around 0.003436.... > > Place this figure back on the Preferences > Progs/Dirns under Rate > for User Defined Progs. > > Then you can pull up a Bi-wheel or Tri-wheel under Dynamic options, > using the current SSR as base chart, follow through with the " Charts " > button again, then select for either outer or middle wheel User > Progression to get a dynamic PSSR that's not TOO FAR from hand > calculated. Of course, that User Rate must be recalculated for each > year's SSR or for someone else's SSR. > > It looks a little clunky, but you can watch the quotidian angles move > and have the right date in the window on the Dynamic page. > > Sidereally yours, > Matthew > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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