More astrological comments- Another case

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, alfonso osorio

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> A case

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> Let`s analyze the following case with critical eyes to see how

astrology applies to him. The following person was born on june

26/1958 in Bogota 4n38 74w05, hour unknown.

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> In my case, after reading his biography I opted for a birth hour

of 8pm. In this way I place his moon in the 10th of career, jupiter

in his academic 9th and venus in his 5th, trying to adjust his chart

to the tenets of hindu astrology in regard on why he could arrive to

such high positions. Besides, with sun and mercury in his 6th I

could " rationalize " his dedication to work. He worked an average of

18 hours daily.

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> Of course you can choose any hour, because all could be valid.

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> Well, on last friday, feb 7/2003, he died when the Piper where he

flied crashed against a mountain at about 4 pm. Although the pilot

was a very good one, apparently they met a cumulus nimbus( vertical

winds) that sent the little plane down so they were not able to reach

the altitude required to pass the mountains.

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> If you analyze the chart for the crash, with coordinates 4n and

75w, you will not find anything that gives account for the collision.

Many soft aspects as moon trining venus and mars trining jupiter and

the last one aspecting the sun and neptune.

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> And if you compare the chart of the sinister with his natal chart,

you will not find many adverse aspects neither. Even transiting mars

and jupiter are forming a great trine with his natal mars.

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> To summarize my point, it is my honest opinion that even if we knew

his exact time of birth, we would be unable to advance and to warn

him of the risk he had of dying in an accident like that, because his

chart does not give any hint for it.

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> This is one of the many charts I had found where astrology does not

offer any clue. Where it is completely mute.

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> Alfonso Osorio

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Alfonso,

 

I have posted a tri-wheel based on a birthtime of 3:20 AM which gives

what I think are very strong indicators of the possibility of dire

circumstances. Using my favorite toy, the progressed lunar, the

angles would have moved about 1 degree, so it may be that the

birthime would be a little earlier. I know that there are at least 2

and possibly 3 other times of birth that would have yielded similar

charts.

 

Bob

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Bob:

 

I appreciate your efforts in trying to find connections between the chart and

the unfortunate event, but please do not forget to take in account the following

points:

 

1) One thing is to be able to anticipate what will happen to a person and one

completele different is to read the event in the chart, when the event has

happened.

 

The first is really the matter of astrology, as a divinatory art.

 

The second is what modern " astrologers " (?) usually do, " to explain what

happened " and " why " , but even on these occasions and circumstances , which are

completely easier, they oftenly have to violate the rules of astrology and even

have to stretch their concepts in order to make the chart " fit " .

 

2) You initially give the hour of 3:20 am, but later recognize that there are 3

or 4 more birth hours that " could yield similar results " .

 

Please excuse me but that is not true, because it would mean that all his

astrological twins,that is, those born on the same day but at the different

hours that you consider as critical, they should have died also on Feb 7 under

similar circunstances. And it is easy to find out that that did not happened.

 

3) With the previous numeral, it can be deduced that the concepts of houses must

work in some sense, because , in case astrology works, the position of planets

in certain places could give the hint of what could happen. When you do not have

this aid , it will be more difficult to diferentiate the charts of all those

born on the same day!

 

I am very aware that you dismiss the concept of houses, but it is not my

intention at all to convince you or to engage here in debates of that sort.

 

But at least you should think of the problems you face when you discard the

houses in a chart.

 

Alfonso Osorio

 

 

 

 

 

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alfonso osorio <alfonsoosorio wrote:

 

Bob:

 

I appreciate your efforts in trying to find connections between the chart and

the unfortunate event, but please do not forget to take in account the following

points:

 

1) One thing is to be able to anticipate what will happen to a person and one

completele different is to read the event in the chart, when the event has

happened.

 

The first is really the matter of astrology, as a divinatory art.

 

As I see it, the most to be hoped for in all chartwork is a " best guess " that is

close to the mark.

 

The second is what modern " astrologers " (?) usually do, " to explain what

happened " and " why " , but even on these occasions and circumstances , which are

completely easier, they oftenly have to violate the rules of astrology and even

have to stretch their concepts in order to make the chart " fit " .

 

 

Alfonso, I understand what you say. With the progressed lunars there is no

stretching. Planets are either in hard aspect to the angles or they are not.

 

 

2) You initially give the hour of 3:20 am, but later recognize that there are 3

or 4 more birth hours that " could yield similar results " .

 

Please excuse me but that is not true, because it would mean that all his

astrological twins,that is, those born on the same day but at the different

hours that you consider as critical, they should have died also on Feb 7 under

similar circunstances. And it is easy to find out that that did not happened.

 

I knew when I selected the time that birthtimes at approximately 6 hour

intervals would yield progressed lunars with with similar angles in 90 degree

increments which would have the same planets on different angles. I hope that

all astrologers are aware that transits yield different results in different

charts else people born in different years with a particular planet in a certain

position or products of multiple births would all have the same experience when

having that planet transited.

 

3) With the previous numeral, it can be deduced that the concepts of houses must

work in some sense, because , in case astrology works, the position of planets

in certain places could give the hint of what could happen. When you do not have

this aid , it will be more difficult to diferentiate the charts of all those

born on the same day!

 

With or without houses, in the technique of progressed lunars (and I believe in

any technique) there is no absolute way to predict exactly what events will

play-out. Where are the astrologers using any technique who have predicted the

date, if there is to be one, of the onset of a war with Iraq. The best that can

be hoped for is to offer several possible situations of which one will

approximate what actually transpires

 

I am very aware that you dismiss the concept of houses, but it is not my

intention at all to convince you or to engage here in debates of that sort.

 

Thank you Alfonso.

 

But at least you should think of the problems you face when you discard the

houses in a chart.

 

I see a much less cluttered field rather than problems to be faced.

 

Alfonso Osorio

 

 

 

 

 

 

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