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But don't we all make our own challenges, and is there any reason not to

meet a person's challenge if it's an opportuinity to show our own truth?

Don't we love astrology and want to show that it works? Don't we want to

demonstrate evidence for our signs? Or is, " Well, it works for me! " enough?

 

This has been the Tropical arugment for decades. Can't we go one better?

 

Terese

 

It is as hard as trying to create a safe world.

 

Regards Anny

 

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Message: 7

Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:16:38 -0800

Terese Hamilton <eastwest

Stars and the Sidereal Zodiac

 

At 09:44 PM 1/12/03 -0800, you wrote:

>Aldebaran is visually in the Constellation of Taurus.

>http://www.e-z.net/~haworth/constel/constel/taurus.html

 

Thanks for the links, Jivio. Good ones!

 

However, how about two main stars of the Scorpion's tail being in Sidereal

Sag, (Fagan's ayanamsa) and all three of the tail stars if you use Lahiri's

ayanamsa? And how about the stars of Virgo taking two thirds of Sidereal

Libra while the stellar scales are relegated to the final third of the sign?

 

By the way, these scales...the ancient claws of the Scorpion...are where

Tropical Scorpio gets its bad-guy reputation. See...this big battle between

Ed and Damon...they were crossing swords in that constellation where they

both have key planets.

 

Terese

 

Terese, Robin, Juan.

 

I read something about researching done by scientists. I am a member of such

a group, paying only contribution for research (not a scientist)only student

astrologer. The first years the commutity needed astrologers badly. The way

we all like to prove astrology is helas not acceptable.

This group is started in Holland (I am Dutch) by a scientist-psychologist,

astrologer but only as privat hobby and only tropical.One astronomer joined

our society at senior age, Professor emiritus.He did not prefer to join a

just before started skeptic Society against astrology, but still he shows

scepsis. The problem is up till now not one research succeeded. First did

a psychologist lector doctor, in Leiden (University). He gathered thousands

of birthdata of students psychology and for comparison thousands technology

(Delft and Enschede). Amsterdam refused. The lector first studied astrology,

tropical, and considered that psychology students possible have the

watersigns

prominent. Sun,Moon, Mercure Venus only, as there was no birthtime

available.

A lot of work was done by them and afterwards the lector and his friends

(not so fervent sceptical)were disappointed after so much work done.

Not water element was prominent, but the firesigns! He shew it by a

statistical

frame to the society. At once I was in good mood and said to him you

succeeded

well. Sidereally is the waterelement indeed prominent. obvious! His emotion

was

too upset to listen. Naturally the members-astrologers objected to this

project,

because the whole chart should be the prove of value. But after this debacle

research stopped. Several research projects are opened later by real

astrologers

(again tropical), but the professor asked then to take fictitious

dates/hours to compare the whole research. How would you react to

this request? It will be a very long time to prove astrology

without this impossible requests, but for so far I heard the request

was accepted, I never heard of a prolongation.

Another project was the charts of writers. Which factors in

the chart of writers show prominency. Quite interesting is that for

us, but how about the psychologist lector he only detected a Venus

prominency. One astrologer considered Neptune. It is interesting

to discover that writer's charts show the various characteristiques

of their personality and the sort of roman they created. So I also

discovered that several psychologist's charts are different too.

For one psychology is a profession based on ideals and those for which

their profession is a form of income (IIe house). So it is difficult

to do research as long as the tropical zodiac is favoured in the West.

Regards, Anny

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To Alfonso Osorio.

 

I think most of us agree with your statements and quite glad with your

explanation! To quote the Holy Gospel I already assumed he did not dress

himself with the " right garment " before he joined our group.

 

You wrote:

One of the things that had always worried me is the incapacity of most

astrological systems to explain why astrological twins, born just 5 minutes

apart, can live so different lifes. And this is one of the reasons I quitted

tropical astrology. But it is not the main reason. Other day I will come

back to this.

 

I have a twin, born 7 minutes apart, a boy and a girl. Besides several

similarities

such as buying at the same time, in the same shop and living apart,fairly

distanced

a new pair of jeans (trousers), they saw each other at the Cashdesk.

At first with the tropical: both Virgo in top. Sidereally I discovered my

daughter's

MC changed into Leo (though 29° Leo ...') and her brother's Mc stayed in

Virgo.

My son has been always studying and loves it well. Computerprogrammer and

later also

SPD Administration; is not yet married. My daughter (married):in youth she

loved to

go out sports and disco dancing and choose fostering animals and

agriculture. Now

she is married and hostess for several babies and children after school from

the

neighbourhood, whose parents are both working. She loves to foster children

(Leo).

My granddaughter's Sun is born exact conjunct my daughter's IC!! Born an

hour past

New Moon. So nobody needs to doubt my calculation!

Regards

Anny

 

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There was something in here about the Akashic records, I thought, but I

can't find it. Edgar Cayce read the Akashic records. Did you know, Starman,

that he said to place the signs in the Persian (i.e. sidereal) zodiac

rather than the Egyptian (Tropoical) zodiac?

 

Terese!Surprise!!Someone asking about the Akashic records:Once I emailed ARE

to ask them. That is logical, tough? They answered:The tropical zodiac!

I was quite surprised, but it is indeed the same answer which I always

get from tropical astrologers: the clients are content with it. For young

adults (22 - 24 years old) it is ALMOST the sidereal secondary progressions.

so I could understand, but for baby's these " tropical zodiac charts " are

disastrous, if afflicting the Ascendant.

Last year such astrologer forecasted a seat and succes in Parliament for

an aspirant politicus, who is murdered at the same time of publishing! I

read this half a year later, in the library. He stopped thereafter.

Regards

Anny

 

I have just about everything published on old Persian astrology and

earlier. Yes, the zodiac used was Sidereal.

 

Terese

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The charts of those who suffer Parkinson's disease are leaders such

as Pope Johannes II, Yassir Arafat and a few others. If you do not

have the time and would like to have them, I'll send you.

Research astrologers regret the difficulty to get birthtimes of non-

leaders who suffer this same disease. The Chairman of corporations

are too cautious to serve.

Regards Anny

 

 

 

 

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