Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 At 08:55 AM 4/11/04 -0000, Tara wrote: >....Okay hearing all these different scenious has now >completly confused me.I don't know who or what to believe right >now. As that I am not familar with Sideral Astrology.Someone PLEASE >tell me,do I look into Leo or Cancer?Because now I'm VERY curious as >to what I supposedly am...I would appreciate to be told something >that isn't misguided. Hello Tara, I'm really sorry you are feeling confused. There are different opinions about the sidereal signs, of which Juan Oliver's is only one. I have researched the sidereal signs for 20 years, and I believe that much of what the old western siderealists wrote is not correct. Please check out this web site for the results of my research. http://users.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm These articles have information on sidereal Cancer and Leo. If you read the three introductory articles on this site, they will give you a good introduction and foundation for the sidereal signs. If these articles speak to you, please feel free to print them out. These articles reflect Bettina's outlook. Since you are especially interested in Cancer and Leo, I'll try to get those signs posted this week on the site. Taurus will be posted tomorrow (Today is Easter! May your day be blessed....). Here on this site you'll find the very traditional sidereal astrologers like Juan Oliver who pretty well follows the teachings and writings of Cyril Fagan and Donald Bradley. Then you'll find the more modern astrologers like Bettina, Anny and myself who have looked into Jyotish/Vedic and formed our own opinions about the signs of the zodiac. (Is it an accident that the three of us are women while most of the traditional astrologers on this list are men with fixed (sidereal) signs prominent in their horoscopes?! Tara, there is no 'final' answer at this time. Astrology is in a shakedown period, and there is disagreement about signs and rulers in both the sidereal AND Tropical zodiacs. In my articles I'll be giving examples of well known people who have signs prominent in their horoscopes. This will help to give more of a grasp of the signs of the sidereal zodiac. P.S. Expect counter opinions from traditional astrologers on this list. Don't let them upset you. Think about yourself and other people you know well and form your own opinion about signs of the zodiac. Blessings, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Dear Sidereal: I found your /group here, you can advertise it on my site if you'd like! I'd love to hear you describe....yourself,....via both your Western & Eastern charts.... I think those of us who understand both systems...are the best qualified...to help along this controversey that you speak about... This Astrological, 'shake down' you mention, personally I think is a very good thing... because as I like to talk about on my natures astrology group, I believe there has to be a blending of the best of the West & the East...to truely move....Astrology into the future, and especially into a growth, that will make it truely ....Scientific. Astrology has such great potential, to not only....become, scientific, but....to also, bring together all the other sciences and Philosophys.... Plato talked about the great need of a First Science, which he called Philosophy, ....which could unite all the diverse, complex fields of life... There is such a need for that today. Principally, there is such tension between science and art, between materialistic values and Spirituality.... between all the new and abstract self-improvement technologies.... and Philosphys.... Astrology has such potential to unite it all. For, in the Astrological chart, are contained each and every aspect of life.... The birth, is the first house,... nourishment, and food are glimsed in the 2nd House... 3rd...siblings... 4th...mother... 5th....children... and Education! 6th...health....and health sciences.... 7th....relationships....and think of all the people who are not understanding....what is their more ideal relationship partner... When looked at through, 'good astrology'...one should be able to see not only the 'other'...but ourselves.... I'm enjoying you participating.... and like how you and I are doing so much a similar thing, without even realizing...it.... take care Mark Kincaid..... In , Therese Hamilton <eastwest@s...> wrote: > At 08:55 AM 4/11/04 -0000, Tara wrote: > > >....Okay hearing all these different scenious has now > >completly confused me.I don't know who or what to believe right > >now. As that I am not familar with Sideral Astrology.Someone PLEASE > >tell me,do I look into Leo or Cancer?Because now I'm VERY curious as > >to what I supposedly am...I would appreciate to be told something > >that isn't misguided. > > Hello Tara, > > I'm really sorry you are feeling confused. There are different opinions > about the sidereal signs, of which Juan Oliver's is only one. I have > researched the sidereal signs for 20 years, and I believe that much of what > the old western siderealists wrote is not correct. Please check out this > web site for the results of my research. > > http://users.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm > > These articles have information on sidereal Cancer and Leo. If you read the > three introductory articles on this site, they will give you a good > introduction and foundation for the sidereal signs. If these articles speak > to you, please feel free to print them out. These articles reflect > Bettina's outlook. Since you are especially interested in Cancer and Leo, > I'll try to get those signs posted this week on the site. Taurus will be > posted tomorrow (Today is Easter! May your day be blessed....). > > Here on this site you'll find the very traditional sidereal astrologers > like Juan Oliver who pretty well follows the teachings and writings of > Cyril Fagan and Donald Bradley. Then you'll find the more modern > astrologers like Bettina, Anny and myself who have looked into > Jyotish/Vedic and formed our own opinions about the signs of the zodiac. > (Is it an accident that the three of us are women while most of the > traditional astrologers on this list are men with fixed (sidereal) signs > prominent in their horoscopes?! > > Tara, there is no 'final' answer at this time. Astrology is in a shakedown > period, and there is disagreement about signs and rulers in both the > sidereal AND Tropical zodiacs. In my articles I'll be giving examples of > well known people who have signs prominent in their horoscopes. This will > help to give more of a grasp of the signs of the sidereal zodiac. > > P.S. Expect counter opinions from traditional astrologers on this list. > Don't let them upset you. Think about yourself and other people you know > well and form your own opinion about signs of the zodiac. > > Blessings, > Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 At 10:13 PM 4/23/04 -0000, Mark wrote: >Dear Sidereal: > >I found your /group here, you can advertise it on my site if >you'd like! > >I'd love to hear you describe....yourself,....via both your Western & >Eastern charts.... Hi Mark, I'm sorry, but you won't find anything similar to your light and open Natures Astrology here. This site was started by members of the Cyril Fagan western sidereal school. Don't even try to mention Tropical astrology. And see what happens if you want to use any other ayanamsa except the Fagan-Bradley value. You'll get some arguments or else you'll be met with total silence. Well, maybe not quite. One or two list members may have encouraging comments. The oldtimers on this list are crusty older siderealists who emphasize the mathematics of solar and lunar ingress and return charts. That is, when they post messages, which generally isn't too often. The women don't stay around except for three of us: Dark*Star, of the dedicated Fagan-Bradley School, Anny, who sticks to her Krishnamurti and European guns no matter what, and yours truly because I help to moderate the list, and because I'm cantankerous enough to challenge the fixed sidereal belief structure that is the foundation of this list. Bettina was here for awhile, but left for the greener pastures of Natures Astrology. Cheers! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Therese, I hope you divine charts better than you divine sex, else your Krishnamurti goes to trash. Bi-zodiacal has nothing to do with sex. Mark, hang around and see what happens. The blending of East and West began with the triple conjunction of Uranus and Neptune in the last decade. It isn't about to stop, despite old crusted sidereals or under-mercuried tropicals. Dark*Star Therese Hamilton wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 On Sat, 2004-04-24 at 02:03, Dark Star wrote: > Therese, > > I hope you divine charts better than you divine sex, else > your Krishnamurti goes to trash. Bi-zodiacal has > nothing to do with sex. > What is a divine chart and what has that to do with sex? Is a bi-zodiac bi-sexual? =================================================== > Mark, hang around and see what happens. The blending > of East and West began with the triple conjunction of > Uranus and Neptune in the last decade. It isn't about to > stop, despite old crusted sidereals or under-mercuried tropicals. > > Dark*Star > > Therese Hamilton wrote: > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Bert, I was merely tweaking Therese for assigning gender to screen names. To divine: (verb tr) to read, scry the non obvious. Perhaps bi-zodiacal like bi-sexual is a striving for Unity? In which case the Sun~Moon would be index. Figures. D*S Bert Fannin wrote: > On Sat, 2004-04-24 at 02:03, Dark Star wrote: > > Therese, > > > > I hope you divine charts better than you divine sex, else > > your Krishnamurti goes to trash. Bi-zodiacal has > > nothing to do with sex. > > > > What is a divine chart and what has that to do with sex? Is a bi-zodiac > bi-sexual? > > =================================================== > > Mark, hang around and see what happens. The blending > > of East and West began with the triple conjunction of > > Uranus and Neptune in the last decade. It isn't about to > > stop, despite old crusted sidereals or under-mercuried tropicals. > > > > Dark*Star > > > > Therese Hamilton wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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