Guest guest Posted November 16, 2003 Report Share Posted November 16, 2003 At 05:34 PM 11/7/03 -0000, Chris wrote: >I've recently abandoned the concept of using fixed stars projected onto the >ecliptic - a system which doesn't seem logical (regardless of whether you >use the sidereal or tropical zodiac). Saying that Regulus is " in Leo " does >make sense - it's pretty much on the ecliptic and so using the sidereal >zodiac we can say it's at about 5 Leo (tropical almost 30 Leo). > >However - what about, say, Dubhe? My astrology software says it's at 20 >Cancer sidereal (15 Leo tropical) - but it's not. It's nowhere *near* >Cancer. True - if you " project " its position onto the ecliptic, it ends up >at 20 Cancer, but that's like saying I live in Ghana (I actually live in the >UK) because the longitude of the UK and Ghana happens to be the same. > >I use Bernadette Brady's method of " parans " for fixed stars. If Dubhe >happens to be culminating on the day of my birth at the same time that Mars >is rising, then there's a connection between Mars and Dubhe called a > " paran " - although a chart won't show this connection...[snip] Hi Chris, This fixed star debate has been on-going in astrology for a long time. I have Brady's book and also the lists of stars in the zodiac. I don't believe this controversy is settled yet, as I don't know anyone who has done some good research on the stars. I tend to think that maybe the actual risings and settings and parans work very well for mundane astrology, but that perhaps the positions in longitude apply to personal horoscopes. This is because the mundane sphere is fixed, but as human beings we move around. The concept there is that our horoscope is born within us and moves with us. The star positions are more symbolic just like the signs of the zodiac. There are older zodiacal maps that show the star sphere as orange slices. As the center of the 'orange,' the ecliptic zone extends all the way to the poles of the ecliptic. I'm not saying this is right. I really don't know. But it's a concept that has to be shown not to work before it's rejected in personal astrology. You really covered two different topics in your post, so I'll reply to the second topic separately. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 In a message dated 11/16/2003 1:21:46 AM Central Standard Time, eastwest writes: > fixed stars does anyone recall the name of Ptolemy's book of fixed star interpretations? // chriswing in austinTx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 At 10:51 AM 11/17/03 -0000, Chris wrote: I'm starting to work with Fixed Stars, too, >(I'm using the Starlight software developed by Bernadette Brady) so I'm >becoming very interested in the mythology of the constellations, too. I'm extremely interested in fixed stars too, so please let us know whatever you discover. I haven't settled for myself the question of Brady's methods vs. the zodiacal longitude of stars. I have her book, and I know that the 'fixed star lady,' Diana Rosenberg, totally disagrees with Brady. Thanks! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 On Monday, November 17, 2003 10:31 PM , Therese Hamilton wrote: > I'm extremely interested in fixed stars too, so please let us know > whatever you discover. I haven't settled for myself the question of > Brady's methods vs. the zodiacal longitude of stars. I have her book, > and I know that the 'fixed star lady,' Diana Rosenberg, totally > disagrees with Brady. > Therese, if you'd like me send you the fixed stars report that Starlight produces (it's in PDF format, so you'll need to have the free Acrobat reader installed to read it), I'd be happy to e-mail it to you. Let me know your birth data offlist, and I'll e-mail you the PDF file. Although the chart wheels that Brady uses in the software are Tropical, the fixed star report is independent of that, as it looks at stars rising/culminating/setting at the same time as planets throughout the day when you were born, so doesn't use zodiacal longitude anyway. Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 At 11:45 PM 12/31/05 -0800, Dark*Star wrote: >(...) >The chief disadvantage, to my thinking, of this vacuum cleaner suck up everything >approach is that it finds anything everywhere... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Right. I think we need to start over again at point zero. A blank slate. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >I don't have the workbook but >wonder with the number of *stars* that the word " flood " might turn up under...we >should all be awash... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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