Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Felicia... I ran off your chart but am too tired to look at it too thoroughly tonight. I will, though. ....Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Felicia Hong Sunday, March 16, 2008 6:19 PM Re: Houses in astrology Hi Therese, If you and others would be willing to look at my data from the sidereal perspective, that would be of great insight to me. For one thing, even from the western astrology perspective, I can't seem to see my chart clearly, even though my clients tell me that I do a great job interpreting theirs. To me, my chart looks like a fog, or a web, and I can't see the tree from the forest. I don't know what it is, but I find it very difficult to draw any strong conclusion about my own chart, so in a sense, I haven't been able to use astrology to help my own self much. Too much subjectivity I think. The other thing is I have never had my chart read from the jyotish perspective before, so I would be very interested in seeing how I look like from a jyotish viewpoint. I know Bettina said I should still be the same person. However, perhaps there are aspects of me that might have been hidden from the western astrology lens?? So here it is... Here's who I am (such a Aries/Ram thing to say isn't it?): Felicia Hong Mar 21, 1964 Saigon, Vietnam 8:58PM Thank you for any insight you would give me, especially anything that could help me understand how I can best go about finding and maintaining my inner peace...:-) Therese Hamilton <eastwest (AT) snowcrest (DOT) <eastwest%40snowcrest.net> net> wrote: At 01:08 PM 3/16/08 -0700, Felicia wrote: >Sari, Therese, > > I tried casting my chart in sidereal equal houses and instead of an Aries Sun, I now have to view myself as a Pisces. I now have to look at myself from a brand new perspective. No you don't have to look at yourself from a different perspective, only with a different name. Any sign trait, if valid, doesn't change its place on the ecliptic. Only the NAME changes. Please see my web site and read the articles on the signs, esp. Parts 1,2 and 3. http://users. <http://users.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm> snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm > I also notice that the MC is no longer the cusp of the 10th house. > What does this mean? It means that the MC is no longer the cusp of the 10th house! It means that the zenith point (90 degrees from the ascendant--the nonagesimal) is now the 10th house cusp, and the rulerships follow. If you want to post your data, probably some of us will take a look at it. Or you can send it to me privately. I know Bettina would like to see your data. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 >I would tend to side with your ex Chris, Oh no! You mean he was right about that? :-) With my Rahu (I interpret this as the North Node?) near my moon, this magnifies this tendency, you said. This means I am in really big trouble! Let me explain. Looking at the Saturn in my 4th house, you can tell that I was born with responsibilities and will always have to be responsible for myself and my family (now just my daughter). I am not destined to find a rich man to marry so I can stop working and just spend time feeding my mental curiosity (not that it is really of interest to me anyway), no matter how well of my husband can be, it always turned out that I always have to do my share to put food on the table (oh, they either didn't have much money or if they did they had a huge alimony to pay an ex, or they believe in financial independence). This Saturn in the 4th also tells me that I am going to end up lonely in my home, because my home has the saturnian qualities; cold, alone, full of responsibilities, but perhaps structured and disciplined. I won't find the nurturing that my tropical cancer moon needs there. I think it might also mean I might be sickly in my old age. Not much to look forward to except to prepare for it and learn to be independent now and try my best to take care of my health now so that old age will get here much later..:-) Does this translate roughly the same in the sidereal side? Felicia Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: I mean Leo which in your chart is the 11th house. So perhaps Pisces says something about your friends or how you earn money. Obviously not too much because it's just one factor out of many, but that's how I would approach it. I would tend to side with your ex -- if I may. :-). The indecisive Gemini side is confirmed by the conjunction of Rahu with your Moon. You can be prone to think in unusual ways, or to be highly sensitive to others, and sometimes maybe succumbing to false perceptions because of an overactive imagination. Note that some of that description fits the Scorp-Cancer profile. That's because the Rahu is with your Moon, irrespective of the sign its in. Rahu has a certain Scorpionic/Pluto flavour to it. Having Neptune on the Ascendant more or less reinforces this more harmony-seeking , esoteric side to you. These factors tend to predominate over any classic Libran traits imo. Felicia Hong wrote: > > >Also, there are a variety of opinions about sidereal sign attributes. > Most Jyotish astrologers (myself included) believe that a Sun in > sidereal Pisces confers standard Piscean traits (intuitive, sensitive, > emotional) to the personality along with the house its placed in and to > house of Leo. > > Hi Chris, > > When you say the house of Leo, do you mean the natural house of Leo, > the 5th? or the house that has Leo on its cusp? or both? > > Libra-Gemini type... > Hmmm... I have always thought of my self as the Scorpio-Cancer type > which from my evolutionary astrology study I infer to mean deep, > probing, committed, obsessive, intuitive but moody and sensitive like > a baby crab. > From the evolutionary astrology perspective, a Libra-Gemini type would > make me a harmony loving, relationship focused, but perhaps > unassertive, indecisive " intellectual gypsy " (label given by > ex-husband :-)). > > Is that close to the jyotish interpretation? > > Felicia > > Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill > <christopher.kevill%40utoronto.ca>> wrote: > Hi Felicia, > > No, I use pretty much the same system for all charts I look at. How > many I consult really depends more on how much time I have. > > It's actually less complicated than you might think. All these house > cusps are just sensitive points that help us understand more about the > planets they are connected to. So if a planet is near the equal 8th > cusp (that's a bad one), then that is going to bring out more of the > negative side of the planet and the house, along with the houses the > planet rules. If a planet is, say far off the equal 8th cusp but close > to the Placidus 8th cusp, then I tend to look at that as also somewhat > problematic although less so than the equal cusp. So that's the > hierarchy I work with. In terms of displaying the actual charts, I use > Placidus or Porphyry, since I can read the equal cusps just by looking > at it. > > I use the same approach for house placement. In your chart, your > Jupiter is in the whole sign 7th so that may say something about your > spouse. However, Jupiter is so far away from the cusp (20 degrees), it > may take on some 6th house qualities. So when making assessments of > Jupiter's qualities I would be more nuanced and sort of straddle both > houses if possible. > > Also, there are a variety of opinions about sidereal sign attributes. > Most Jyotish astrologers (myself included) believe that a Sun in > sidereal Pisces confers standard Piscean traits (intuitive, sensitive, > emotional) to the personality along with the house its placed in and to > house of Leo. As I said, Moon and Ascendant are more important for > getting a basic read on people so you're more likely a Libra-Gemini type. > > Chris > > Felicia Hong wrote: > > > > >But for convenience sake, I use a > > combination of the whole sign house system > > > > Hi Chris, > > Wow, this sounds complicated. How do you that? > > Does that mean you use a different house system for natal charts than > > ones for predictive purposes such as solar return or progression > > charts? I often wonder if that kind of mixing of the house systems > > would work. > > > > Felicia > > > > Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill > <christopher.kevill%40utoronto.ca> > > <christopher.kevill%40utoronto.ca>> wrote: > > Hi Felicia, > > > > Welcome to the wacky world of sidereal astrology. > > > > I just wanted to mention that from the Jyotish side of things, the sign > > the Sun is in isn't actually as important for determining personality as > > in Western astrology. The Moon and Ascendant are much more important in > > that respect. > > > > The MC is still important in as a sensitive point that is associated > > with the 10th house, but if you use the whole sign house system, then it > > becomes a sort of second order 10th house cusp. Like many astrologers, > > I've played around with several different house systems and find there > > is something to all of them. But for convenience sake, I use a > > combination of the whole sign house system with equal house cusps and > > then use the unequal cusps (including the MC) as calculated by Placidus > > and Porphyry as extra points to look at. But that only happens when I > > have the time. :-) > > > > Best, > > Chris > > > > Felicia Hong wrote: > > > > > > Sari, Therese, > > > > > > I tried casting my chart in sidereal equal houses and instead of an > > > Aries Sun, I now have to view myself as a Pisces. I now have to look > > > at myself from a brand new perspective. > > > > > > With the Aries Sun, I thought I was supposed to be self-centered, > > > impulsive, simplistic and " courageous " , but now with the Pisces Sun, I > > > have to be more compassionate, idealistic, perhaps spiritual, and much > > > more complex. > > > > > > This will be interesting... > > > > > > I also notice that the MC is no longer the cusp of the 10th house. > > > What does this mean? > > > > > > Sari M <gerdapp <gerdapp%40welho.com> > <gerdapp%40welho.com> > > <gerdapp%40welho.com>> wrote: > > > Hi Felicia and welcome to the group, > > > > > > you wrote: > > > > > > > While on this subject, Mr. Houck insisted that only the sidereal > equal > > > > house system works accurately for predictive purposes. From reading > > > your > > > > comments so far, it seems that you would agree. Have you tried other > > > house > > > > systems and what were your experiences with them? > > > > > > Sari: > > > > > > Houses are something that have interested me a lot lately. I've tried > > > almost > > > all the systems over the years (I started to study astrology in > > 1983) and > > > because I live in Finland on high latitudes, the house system decides > > > a lot. > > > Most professional astrologers here (I'm not a professional) use > > Placidus, > > > though it becomes the more impractical the more north you are. I > > know one > > > professional who uses tropical whole sign houses, one who uses > > > topocentric > > > houses, and one of the most knowledgeable non-professionals here uses > > > meridian houses (that's probably the strangest house system I know > IMO). > > > > > > I got interested in whole sign houses in early 2005, and that > (googling > > > " whole sign houses " ) in fact was the thing that led me to the > > > Skyscript site > > > by Deborah Houlding, and that in turn led me to get interested in > > > traditional Western astrology. Later that year I found sidereal > > astrology > > > and started to study jyotish, where whole sign houses are the default > > > houses > > > system. Note that this is not the same than equal houses, where the > > first > > > house begins from the ascendant, but with whole sign houses the > > ascending > > > sign in it's entirety is the 1st house (even when you have the last > > > degree > > > of it rising), the following sign is the 2nd house and so on. > > > > > > I have AstroDatabank database and I love to do studies with it; one > > study > > > that I've made is to study charts that have a lot of planets in a > given > > > house - do the biographies/lives of those chart owners have any common > > > features? They do, though it's always not very striking. Now, one > could > > > think that the house system that gives the clearest differences > between > > > different houses, would be the one working best. I've compared > quadrant > > > systems (defined by both the Asc/DC and MC/IC axis) with whole signs > > > and it > > > seems that whole signs show the results better. But lately I've > > > studied the > > > house system Therese uses, Vehlow houses or " Asc in 1st " houses, as > > Solar > > > Fire calls them, where you use equal houses, but the house doesn't > start > > > from the cusp but spreads 15 degrees to the both sides of it so > that the > > > cusp is in the middle. This is the house system eminent Indian > > astrologer > > > B.V Raman preferred. So far it seems to be that Vehlow houses give the > > > clearest results in this kind of study. > > > > > > The houses do count and they have a meaning, but it seems that > it's not > > > always what modern tropical astrology tells us. The " astrological > > > alphabet " > > > philosophy (Aries = Mars = 1st house; Taurus = Venus = 2nd house and > > > so on) > > > has done a lot of damage to the house meanings by telling us that for > > > example the 4th house would be the same than (tropical) Cancer or the > > > Moon: > > > so it should be about soft things like mother, emotions, inner world > > > and so > > > on. But those are not the things that get mentioned in the traditional > > > (Western) texts about the 4th house; in them, the 4th house is about > > > father, > > > real estate, land, structures, undergound things (foundations, pipe > > > systems > > > etc.) When you study charts with a lot of emphasis on the 4th house, > > > you'll > > > find people whose lives have to do with organisations, politics, > law and > > > business - structures, security, foundations, quite hard and masculine > > > themes. In that sense one might think that the 4th house is more about > > > father than mother. > > > > > > Best, Sari > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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