Guest guest Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 Therese, I'll just tell you the way I did it. I posted Lahiri to answer your question but now go back to Placidian Fag Allen. The Sun + two of his helpers, Mars-Mercury are in the 8th of the SSR : : The major event of this year is an 8th house eventuality. SSR Moon is quite strong being the closest to any angle besides being the chief significator of solar returns. But its importance for us is its 45 & 135 to Nodes-Pluto which are on natal Moon _and in 6/12 of the RELOCate, Jamul...where she is drawn to die. You have already picked up the Uranus-Mars which square her natal ASC. Mars takes all the planets of the 8th (by conditioning) with him in doing so. 12 VI 29 : natal 6th cusp 13 VI 49 : natal Jamul DSC 13 VI 02 : SSR Jamul MC Note Sun on the 9th cusp of the Jamul SSR opens the portal, not to university, but for the release of the soul. We are not likely to make a wrong judgment in this as Sun is 45 Venus high in the 10th = peaceful cessation--and it lies upon the natal Nodes ~ s l e e p . Zip had the signature for cancer, Mars-Jupiter connected in such a roundabout way that the disease took a long time to come in the life. In contrast is Lance Armstrong who had the combo right up front ( testicular), literally, and aggravated by living on a bicycle seat. He also carries indications for remarkable recoveries. Right now he is decrying the perils of fame. We haven't heard the end of this one. R. Therese Hamilton wrote: > At 11:02 PM 6/13/03 -0700, Richard wrote (for the Dobyns SSR): > > > >SSR ASC Lahiri 19 SG 24 > >SSR MC Lahiri 14LI53 > > Then we see, Richard, that the MC isn't nearly as significant as the > Ascendant in both the natal and sidereal return charts. Look what happens > in the SSR: > > No planets are in Libra. > > Jupiter at 12 Cancer squares the MC by 3 degrees (benefic) > > Neptune at 15 Capricorn squares the MC by 1 degree. I think Neptune is > always confusing as to its meaning. It certainly isn't as clear as the SSR > Mars/Uranus squares to Zip's natal Ascendant. (I've found that if there is > a death planet, it's Uranus and sometimes Mars.) > > The Moon is on the SSR IC with an orb of 9 degrees. Questionable as to > significance, esp as the Moon is squared by supposedly benefic Jupiter. > > There is nothing in Aries/Libra in the natal chart so this axis sets off > nothing natally by conjunction. > > Summary: confused meanings if you look only at the MC/IC axis. Clear > indications if you use the ascendant as the marker for angular houses in > both natal and return charts. (See my previous posts.) > > Therese > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 Richard, sorry to be this long in getting back to you. Been kind of busy... At 12:40 AM 6/15/03 -0700, Richard wrote: > >Therese, > >I'll just tell you the way I did it. I posted Lahiri to answer your question but >now go back to Placidian Fag Allen. The Sun + two of his helpers, Mars-Mercury >are in the 8th of the SSR...The major event of this year is an 8th house >eventuality. So you're using Placidus in the F/A zodiac. Hmmmm. Mix and match. Then we have 3 important planets in the 8th with this system and the Asc lord Jupiter in the 8th with the Indian equal house system. It's a toss up then? > SSR Moon is quite strong being the closest to any angle besides >being the chief significator of solar returns. But its importance for us is its >45 & 135 to Nodes-Pluto which are on natal Moon _and in 6/12 of the RELOCate, >Jamul...where she is drawn to die. This is more mixing and matching as the western sidereal system generally uses only major aspects. It seems that the t-square to SSR Neptune/Jupiter would be at least as important. I'm not saying either is wrong, but these different views highlight the main problem with astrology, which is if you don't see something one way, you can probably see it another way. > >You have already picked up the Uranus-Mars which square her natal ASC. This may be the most significant and telling aspect of all, and to me it seems a clearer indication than anything else. It does say that the natal locale chart can be of great importance. Mars takes >all the planets of the 8th (by conditioning) with him in doing so. > >12 VI 29 : natal 6th cusp >13 VI 49 : natal Jamul DSC >13 VI 02 : SSR Jamul MC > >Note Sun on the 9th cusp of the Jamul SSR opens the portal, not to university, >but for the release of the soul. We are not likely to make a wrong judgment in >this as Sun is 45 Venus high in the 10th = peaceful cessation--and it lies upon >the natal Nodes ~ s l e e p . > >Zip had the signature for cancer, Mars-Jupiter connected in such a roundabout way >that the disease took a long time to come in the life. In contrast is Lance >Armstrong who had the combo right up front ( testicular), literally, and >aggravated by living on a bicycle seat. He also carries indications for >remarkable recoveries. Right now he is decrying the perils of fame. We haven't >heard the end of this one. So much to yet learn about astrology... Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 Hi Therese, I hadn't utilized the Jupiter-Neptune t-square because I didn't need it. But let's have a look at it. Have both SSRs before you because I flow back and forth. Moon 3rd-aspect Mars-Jupiter 8th. She receives after August, news of the cancer and its probable result. Jupiter opposite Neptune1st-it has spread, diffused, metastasized. Also a sense of great sorrow, don't you think, wishes that it could be otherwise, much regret. So many plans that will not now come about. Neptune squares MC exactly-inexorable result especially because Pluto rises, Saturn sets. On a personal basis-some of my planets-which say...'he who looks at death'...fall exactly on her 8th cusp (0 Cancer) which allows me to say with this backup that she will go this year, I'm the one supposed to find it. Sophistry? Not a bad thing. I've always forbade these gritty little dirt balls (asteroids) to smudge up my elegant charts. But one afternoon this week, now that Zip has left...Asteroids began to open up for me. Scary. R. Therese Hamilton wrote: > It seems that the t-square to SSR Neptune/Jupiter > would be at least as important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 At 02:18 AM 6/18/03 -0700, Richard wrote: > >Hi Therese, > >I hadn't utilized the Jupiter-Neptune t-square because I didn't need it. But let's >have a look at it. Have both SSRs before you because I flow back and forth. Moon >3rd-aspect Mars-Jupiter 8th. I don't have the house chart here divided from the MC, but the aspects are the same. The equal house chart has Moon in the 5th squaring Jupiter in the 8th. The Moon is the 8th lord. An afflicted 8th lord (the house of basic vitality) is then the point of the t-square: Jupiter-Moon-Neptune. (I didn't know if Cancer was on the 8th cusp in the MC chart. It looks like it would be intercepted in the 7th.) >>She receives after August, news of the cancer and its probable result. Jupiter opposite Neptune 1st-it has spread, diffused, metastasized. What is fascinating about this analysis is that the exact trine of Mars to the Moon in the SR combines with Neptune to produce a close conjunction in the navamsa chart (Moon 18-Mars-Neptune 16) which fall on the natal Moon (18 Taurus) in Zip's 1st natal house. >>Also a sense of great sorrow, don't you think, wishes that it could be otherwise, much regret. So many plans that will not now come about. Wouldn't regret be Saturn? Saturn does oppose the SSR ascendant, though the orb is rather wide. >>Neptune squares MC exactly-inexorable result especially because Pluto rises, Saturn sets. This is how I've found the SSR MC works. It's not a valid house divider (in my opinion), but close aspects of SSR planets to the MC (no house indication) give special emphasis to those planets. So, as you pointed out, the Moon's configuration receives extra emphasis because the Moon is conjunct the IC. >On a personal basis-some of my planets-which say...'he who looks at death'...fall >exactly on her 8th cusp (0 Cancer) which allows me to say with this backup that >she will go this year, I'm the one supposed to find it. Sophistry? Not a bad >thing. > >I've always forbade these gritty little dirt balls (asteroids) to smudge up my >elegant charts. But one afternoon this week, now that Zip has left...Asteroids >began to open up for me. Scary. Want to give the details on this? I don't use asteroids myself, but from reading Zip's examples, they do seem to be, as you said, 'scary' in their exact hits. They very well predicted that GW would land in the White House. This just goes to show that it's the Divine Architect who runs the universe, not us with our preconceived ideas of what **should** NOT be according to something we call science. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 , Therese Hamilton <eastwest@s...> wrote: > ....Been kind of busy... Oh, sure! A likely excuse. What's next, " the dog ate my aspectarian " ?? ;-) Love ya, Ed PS: The town called Jamul is pronounced Ha-Mool. Just in case this comes up in conversation. > > At 12:40 AM 6/15/03 -0700, Richard wrote: > > > >Therese, > > > >I'll just tell you the way I did it. I posted Lahiri to answer your > question but > >now go back to Placidian Fag Allen. The Sun + two of his helpers, > Mars-Mercury > >are in the 8th of the SSR...The major event of this year is an 8th house > >eventuality. > > So you're using Placidus in the F/A zodiac. Hmmmm. Mix and match. Then we > have 3 important planets in the 8th with this system and the Asc lord > Jupiter in the 8th with the Indian equal house system. It's a toss up then? > > > SSR Moon is quite strong being the closest to any angle besides > >being the chief significator of solar returns. But its importance for us > is its > >45 & 135 to Nodes-Pluto which are on natal Moon _and in 6/12 of the RELOCate, > >Jamul...where she is drawn to die. > > This is more mixing and matching as the western sidereal system generally > uses only major aspects. It seems that the t-square to SSR Neptune/Jupiter > would be at least as important. I'm not saying either is wrong, but these > different views highlight the main problem with astrology, which is if you > don't see something one way, you can probably see it another way. > > > >You have already picked up the Uranus-Mars which square her natal ASC. > > This may be the most significant and telling aspect of all, and to me it > seems a clearer indication than anything else. It does say that the natal > locale chart can be of great importance. > > Mars takes > >all the planets of the 8th (by conditioning) with him in doing so. > > > >12 VI 29 : natal 6th cusp > >13 VI 49 : natal Jamul DSC > >13 VI 02 : SSR Jamul MC > > > >Note Sun on the 9th cusp of the Jamul SSR opens the portal, not to > university, > >but for the release of the soul. We are not likely to make a wrong > judgment in > >this as Sun is 45 Venus high in the 10th = peaceful cessation--and it lies > upon > >the natal Nodes ~ s l e e p . > > > >Zip had the signature for cancer, Mars-Jupiter connected in such a > roundabout way > >that the disease took a long time to come in the life. In contrast is Lance > >Armstrong who had the combo right up front ( testicular), literally, and > >aggravated by living on a bicycle seat. He also carries indications for > >remarkable recoveries. Right now he is decrying the perils of fame. We > haven't > >heard the end of this one. > > So much to yet learn about astrology... > > Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 At 08:04 AM 6/19/03 -0000, Ed wrote: > , Therese Hamilton ><eastwest@s...> wrote: >> ....Been kind of busy... > >Oh, sure! A likely excuse. What's next, " the dog ate my >aspectarian " ?? >;-) > >Love ya, >Ed That excuse will do about as well as any--unless you want to include late night conversations that exhaust my brain! In kind, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 Shows a certain artistic superiority, I think, to be called to die in poetical sounding Jamul rather than in prosaic nearby National City. R. Ed Kohout wrote: > PS: The town called Jamul is pronounced Ha-Mool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 , Richard <erichardg@e...> wrote: > > Shows a certain artistic superiority, I think, to be called to die in poetical > sounding Jamul rather than in prosaic nearby National City. Or Poway. Thanks for the insight, Dark Star, uh, I mean, Richard. - Ed K > > R. > > > Ed Kohout wrote: > > > PS: The town called Jamul is pronounced Ha-Mool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 , Therese Hamilton <eastwest@s...> wrote: > At 08:04 AM 6/19/03 -0000, Ed wrote: > > , Therese Hamilton > ><eastwest@s...> wrote: > >> ....Been kind of busy... > > > >Oh, sure! A likely excuse. What's next, " the dog ate my > >aspectarian " ?? > >;-) > > > >Love ya, > >Ed > > That excuse will do about as well as any--unless you want to include late > night conversations that exhaust my brain! Hi! You are getting through my thick skull, my dear, and for that I am eternally grateful. I asked God for a mentor, and he apparently sent the best. Perhaps I should ask God for an SUV next?? :-) Nah, no SUV can take me where you have. - E > > In kind, > Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2003 Report Share Posted June 21, 2003 At 12:09 PM 6/21/03 -0000, Ed wrote: >Hi! >You are getting through my thick skull, my dear, and for that I am >eternally grateful. > >I asked God for a mentor, and he apparently sent the best. Are you saying that the sidereal zodiac is beginning to look real to you?? Along with lunar mansions and a few other previous believed-to-be astrological myths?? >Perhaps I should ask God for an SUV next?? As long as said SUV comes with a delectable 30 year old driver (female, that is) with a passion for astrology, that wouldn't be a bad idea. T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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