Planets in Signs/MC/Secondary Angles

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At 10:32 AM 9/12/03 -0700, Juan wrote:

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>Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote:

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>The signs are the walls, floor

>> and ceiling--the setting

>> for the planets.

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>Nah.....

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>The walls, floor and ceiling are the angles...

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>Floor the IC.... Ceiling the MC... with the ASC and

>DEC being doors/windows on the walls....

 

Tell you what, Juan!! I'm going to call up all the charts in the

Rodden/McDonough astrodatabank with Mars in the 10th closely squaring the

ascendant. I'll sort the charts by the sign of Mars and see what turns up.

Maybe you're right!

 

Then I'll search for all the charts with Mars conjunct the MC.

 

I know that in his book on solar returns, Jim Eshelman uses the secondary

angles of squares to the ASC/DEC. Do you use these? I feel that at least

the upper square is very important in finding the important planets in the

chart.

 

I can use my own chart as an example. I have Neptune and Venus closely

squaring my Ascendant. They're in sidereal Virgo.

 

(1) I've studied and taught art in the public schools (Venus in a

Mercury-ruled sign). I used to draw and paint, but don't anymore. Astrology

takes all my time.

 

(2) I've maarried and had a a few children (just plain old Venus)

 

(3) I have university degrees in psychology (Neptune in a Mercury-ruled sign)

 

(4) I've had a lifetime interest in astrology and wrote and published a lot

of aricles. Also I do a lot of research. Neptune combined with Mercury

probably has to do with discovery and research, because Neptune breaks down

boundaries (explores) and Mercury is the math and mental analysis used for

reserach. (My Neptune sextiles Mercury.)

 

Now, how would you isolate my Virgo type activities if you don't look at

the sign my Venus/Neptune conjunction is in???

 

O.K., now for the M.C. The only planet that's close to my M.C. is Mars. How

does this express in my life? I hate conflict, except for astrological

discussions (My Mercury is in Scorpio in mutual reception to Mars in

Virgo.) I can't stand emotional discord because my Venus is so strong. But

I will fight for justice if I see someone is being wronged.

 

I never did anything professionally related to Mars, but I do have

Mars/Mercury skills. I just helped my husband build a small greenhouse,

which I designed. Actually, I built it, while he assisted (somewhat).

 

So I would say that Neptune/Venus is part of my basic psychology (I'm

really into the spiritual as well as psychology and astrology), but that

Mars manifests in Mars-Mercury type skills and the willingness to fight for

what I see is right--but not in public ways, only on the personal level. I

didn't join the peace marches, for example, and you won't see me in groups

acting for a cause. And I have always hated sports, never had any sports

ability whatsoever--can't even balance enough to ride a bike. But if I see

a mother being harsh with her child in a store, I'll (gently) ask the

mother if I can help in some way so she stops abusing the child.

 

Juan, I'm trying to get your opiniion of how you see planets conjunct the

M.C. as opposed to planets square the ascendant from the vacinity of the

10th. Also, how would you tell how planets manifest without considering the

lord of the signs they are in?

 

I'm Virgo through and through, but how would you know if you didn't

consider Virgo in the chart? (My Mercury is in either the 12th or the 11th,

depending on what house system you use. It's 31 degrees above the ascendant

and does not aspect the M.C. or I.C.

 

Sincerely,

Therese