Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 On Monday, September 15, 2003 1:55 AM [GMT+1=CET], sylvia linzner <sylvia261 kirjoitti: > Dear group, > Do you know which astrology program does Progressed Sidereal Solar > Returns I have Solar fire5, Janus and Winstar but the figures come out > different then in the examples in the books: Beginner's Manual of > Sidereal Astrology, by Carl Stahl and also The New Instant Astrologer > by > Eshelman and also Fagan's Primer of Sidereal Astrology. > The other progressions come out OK, but I can't get the PSSR to come > out > the same as in the examples > Thank You > Sylvia Hi Sylvia, Could you cite me one of those examples (including the birthdate and info on whether the PSSR should be relocated or not) to check the results with my SF 5. Risto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 On 15 Sep 2003 at 10:21, Risto Vartiainen wrote: > On Monday, September 15, 2003 1:55 AM [GMT+1=CET], > sylvia linzner <sylvia261 kirjoitti: > > > Dear group, > > Do you know which astrology program does Progressed Sidereal Solar > > Returns I have Solar fire5, Janus and Winstar but the figures come > > out different then in the examples in the books: Beginner's Manual > > of Sidereal Astrology, by Carl Stahl and also The New Instant > > Astrologer by Eshelman and also Fagan's Primer of Sidereal > > Astrology. The other progressions come out OK, but I can't get the > > PSSR to come out the same as in the examples Thank You Sylvia > > Hi Sylvia, > > Could you cite me one of those examples (including the birthdate and > info on whether the PSSR should be relocated or not) to check the > results with my SF 5. > > Risto As far as I know, none of them has the right rate for the SQ ,SNQ or PSSR. It has to be calculated by hand and the result fed to the program. I think that The PSSR is a bogus. It does not give the progressed Lunar contacts found in the SQ and SNQ rates.Bert W. Fannin Western Sidereal Astrologer Location and Timing Astrology LTD www.ltastrology.com you may download my PGP Public key off the MIT Keyserver at http://pgp.mit.edu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 On Monday, September 15, 2003 12:36 PM [GMT+1=CET], Bert Fannin <bwfannin kirjoitti: >> Risto > As far as I know, none of them has the right rate for the SQ ,SNQ > or PSSR. It has to be calculated by hand and the result fed to the > program. > I think that The PSSR is a bogus. It does not give the progressed > Lunar > contacts found in the SQ and SNQ rates.Bert W. Fannin > Western Sidereal Astrologer Bert, I cannot really say much anything about the validity of PSSR technique, because I have not looked into it sufficiently yet. However, Mike Viele obviously uses output from Solar Fire at http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/mag/watcher.html to calculate SQ Progressions for ingress charts. Are these then calculated with erroneous formula? Risto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 Hi Risto, Here are some examples in the books: Eshelman's book, for Charles Manson Nov 12 1934 16:40 EST Cincinnati, Ohio relocated to Los Angeles, Calif. the pssr is for Aug 9 1969 ST = 9:10:18 the example says ASC 16 Libra I get 10 Libra 37 for ASC the Mc example says 21 Cancer, I get 14 Cancer 59 and in Carl Stahl's book for John F. Kennedy May 29, 1917 3:00 PM EST Brookline, Mass. Kennedy pssr relocated to Washington DC for Nov. 9 1960 the example says Asc 11 Taurus, I get 16 Taurus 17 and for the MC example says 19 Capricorn I get 23 Capricorn 11 Sylvia ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 - " sylvia linzner " <sylvia261 Monday, September 15, 2003 11:42 PM Re: P.S.S.R. > Hi Risto, > Here are some examples in the books: Sylvia, I seem to get pretty much the same results from SF5 as you do. I did an additional double check of both examples with Juan Revilla's Riyal program and found that the output from Riyal agrees more closely with the output from SF. With these examples the angle positions seem to be within about a degree of each other when calculated with these two programs. I have not taught myself to calculate PSSRs manually but it might be necessary to do just that to be sure on which values are the correct ones. Or, some knowledgeable member of this list might want to use one or both of these examples to demonstrate the correct calculation method for the benefit of us all. I would not place absolute trust on charts found in books, either. I have found wrongly calculated charts in Eshelman's " Interpreting Solar Returns " as well as in Bradley's " Solar And Lunar Returns " . Risto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 At 01:01 AM 9/16/03 +0300, Risto wrote: > >I would not place absolute trust on charts found in books, either. I have >found wrongly calculated charts in Eshelman's " Interpreting Solar Returns " >as well as in Bradley's " Solar And Lunar Returns " . Ah...both before the age of computers. I wonder how many horoscopes in many of those older books are just plain wrong?! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Sylvia, The program I sent to you will correctly compute the S.Q. and the P.S.S.R.. It is a damn good program and it was free. It is waaaay past my bedtime tonight, will be back tomorrow. Bob , sylvia linzner <sylvia261@j...> wrote: > Dear group, > Do you know which astrology program does Progressed Sidereal Solar > Returns I have Solar fire5, Janus and Winstar but the figures come out > different then in the examples in the books: Beginner's Manual of > Sidereal Astrology, by Carl Stahl and also The New Instant Astrologer by > Eshelman and also Fagan's Primer of Sidereal Astrology. > The other progressions come out OK, but I can't get the PSSR to come out > the same as in the examples > Thank You > Sylvia > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Hi, Very likely. But how well many of these incorrect charts were read compared to their corrected versions. Ellen McCaffery once predicted in casual conversation the whole of WWII from the Gemini Rising and an ephemeris. R.\\- Therese Hamilton wrote: > At 01:01 AM 9/16/03 +0300, Risto wrote: > > > >I would not place absolute trust on charts found in books, either. I have > >found wrongly calculated charts in Eshelman's " Interpreting Solar Returns " > >as well as in Bradley's " Solar And Lunar Returns " . > > Ah...both before the age of computers. I wonder how many horoscopes in many > of those older books are just plain wrong?! > > Therese > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Bob, You are right I tried it on Fagan's Primer example for Susan Walker and it was just a few minutes different from his example. On Fagan's it was for Asc 22 Virgo 34 on your program it is 22 Virgo 39 Fagan's example for Mc was 27 Gemini 46 on your program it is 27 Gemini 56. On Solar fire I got Asc 18 Virgo 43 and the MC at 22 Gemini 42 Thank You Sylvia ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 You are welcome Sylvia. Have you tried out the SPF and SQF programs that are included in the package? They are programs that will figure the right ascension of the transiting Sun needed to produce whatever RAMC you put into the program, thus allowing you to know the day any return planet will be culminating, anti-culminating, rising or setting, according to the method used. The SPF is for use with the PSSR, the SQF for use with the SQ.You can also use these programs for finding the dates midpoints of return planets (in right ascension) will be swept by any of the four angles or the squares (finding the squares takes a little extra work on your part) to them. You will find none of these features in any other commercial program regardless of its cost. Not bad for a $20.00 set of programs if I do say so myself. Bob sylvia linzner <sylvia261 wrote: Bob, You are right I tried it on Fagan's Primer example for Susan Walker and it was just a few minutes different from his example. On Fagan's it was for Asc 22 Virgo 34 on your program it is 22 Virgo 39 Fagan's example for Mc was 27 Gemini 46 on your program it is 27 Gemini 56. On Solar fire I got Asc 18 Virgo 43 and the MC at 22 Gemini 42 Thank You Sylvia Think Peace *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Hi Bob, How do I try out the SPF and SQF ? I thought all you can do is the PPS or QPS with the program Could you Please send me instructions? Bob, I can send you $20.00 it is worth it, just let me know where to send it. Sylvia ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 On 15 Sep 2003 at 13:24, Risto Vartiainen wrote: > On Monday, September 15, 2003 12:36 PM [GMT+1=CET], > Bert Fannin <bwfannin kirjoitti: > > >> Risto > > As far as I know, none of them has the right rate for the SQ ,SNQ > > or PSSR. It has to be calculated by hand and the result fed to the > > program. I think that The PSSR is a bogus. It does not give the > > progressed Lunar contacts found in the SQ and SNQ rates.Bert W. > > Fannin Western Sidereal Astrologer > > Bert, > > I cannot really say much anything about the validity of PSSR > technique, because I have not looked into it sufficiently yet. > However, Mike Viele obviously uses output from Solar Fire at > http://users.cwnet.com/~sidereal/mag/watcher.html to calculate SQ > Progressions for ingress charts. Are these then calculated with > erroneous formula? > I have caluclated the SQ by hand and checked it aginst the program. There has been a large difference between the hand done (Double checked) and the program. First I use the RAAS, while I think the program uses the RAMS. Second, I do not trust the alogorythem for progression in Solar Fire. I would check the Viele elements aginst hand done charts to see. Regards,Bert W. Fannin Western Sidereal Astrologer Location and Timing Astrology LTD www.ltastrology.com you may download my PGP Public key off the MIT Keyserver at http://pgp.mit.edu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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